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May 21, 2011 at
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With a standing room only crowd and 50+ 410s in the pits and its your marquee show of the year, why do we need 30 late models to wear out the track even more than it was? What's wrong with a little track prep to give the sprints a good track for the feature events, instead of running the moisture out of it? I'm not saying it wasn't racey, it obviously was, what I mean was the ENORMOUS dust cloud that kept us from seeing the race, even with goggles we purchased at the track. Why do promoters feel they must put a support division on the card? There can't possibly be a huge profit margin in 30 late models? The standing room only crowd certainly wasn't there for the 30 late models. The cars parked behind the grandstand were absolutely coated with dirt, after the WETTEST spring in decades.
I appreciate getting to the track after weeks of rain, however I would have loved to have been able to SEE the race. I've never seen such a mass exodus from the grandstands when a caution flies with 10 laps to go and the racel leader still being challenged. Love to hear from others who were there. Believe me, after five weekends of rainouts I was dieing to see a race and am not looking to bitch, but it was a major letdown last night.
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May 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: TommyBahama on May 21 2011 at 08:36:49 AM
With a standing room only crowd and 50+ 410s in the pits and its your marquee show of the year, why do we need 30 late models to wear out the track even more than it was? What's wrong with a little track prep to give the sprints a good track for the feature events, instead of running the moisture out of it? I'm not saying it wasn't racey, it obviously was, what I mean was the ENORMOUS dust cloud that kept us from seeing the race, even with goggles we purchased at the track. Why do promoters feel they must put a support division on the card? There can't possibly be a huge profit margin in 30 late models? The standing room only crowd certainly wasn't there for the 30 late models. The cars parked behind the grandstand were absolutely coated with dirt, after the WETTEST spring in decades.
I appreciate getting to the track after weeks of rain, however I would have loved to have been able to SEE the race. I've never seen such a mass exodus from the grandstands when a caution flies with 10 laps to go and the racel leader still being challenged. Love to hear from others who were there. Believe me, after five weekends of rainouts I was dieing to see a race and am not looking to bitch, but it was a major letdown last night.
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Thats what the WoO does.....they dont want a heavy track. Been WoO free for 4 years now and very seldom do I even read who won the latest event.
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May 21, 2011 at
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The Outlaws don't do track prep moron, how long you been 'free' of your brain? Take It Easy....
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May 21, 2011 at
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ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!! put that in your juicebox and suck it!
Not allowing an amazing woman to be herself
is like owning a Porsche and never taking
it out of 1st gear!
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May 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: MSPN on May 21 2011 at 09:45:29 AM
The Outlaws don't do track prep moron, how long you been 'free' of your brain? Take It Easy....
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The outlaws don't "do" the prep but they tell the track what kind of surface they want.
305's are the herpes of sprint cars
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May 21, 2011 at
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It may have been dusty, but it was real racey. It just goes to show you can't please everyone. But I do agree with ditching the LM's next time.
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May 21, 2011 at
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It was a northeast wind.Blowing right at the stands.What ya expect?
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May 21, 2011 at
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With over 50 sprint cars there, did the 30 additional late models really create or add to the dust problems? Maybe. However, I've said before and I will repeat it again. If racetracks don't police and control the dusty conditions at their facilities, someone else will. In the eyes of government agencies, tracks are no different than construction sites or manufacturing plants. Just imagine how an OSHA dust control procedure could affect racetracks.
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May 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: TommyBahama on May 21 2011 at 08:36:49 AM
With a standing room only crowd and 50+ 410s in the pits and its your marquee show of the year, why do we need 30 late models to wear out the track even more than it was? What's wrong with a little track prep to give the sprints a good track for the feature events, instead of running the moisture out of it? I'm not saying it wasn't racey, it obviously was, what I mean was the ENORMOUS dust cloud that kept us from seeing the race, even with goggles we purchased at the track. Why do promoters feel they must put a support division on the card? There can't possibly be a huge profit margin in 30 late models? The standing room only crowd certainly wasn't there for the 30 late models. The cars parked behind the grandstand were absolutely coated with dirt, after the WETTEST spring in decades.
I appreciate getting to the track after weeks of rain, however I would have loved to have been able to SEE the race. I've never seen such a mass exodus from the grandstands when a caution flies with 10 laps to go and the racel leader still being challenged. Love to hear from others who were there. Believe me, after five weekends of rainouts I was dieing to see a race and am not looking to bitch, but it was a major letdown last night.
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I think you're right about running a support class on a night like that. Tracks get dusty and you can't control the wind. Yes, the WoO wants a track that leans to the dry side to promote better racing. What I wonder constantly however, is why the mid-west tracks use the red clay vs. the dark clay that you see in Knoxville and out west? Maybe it's all they can get. that clay gets more dust in the air way more than the other. Us die hard race fans are ok with it, but typically you can forget about moms and the kids coming back after they leave with an inch of red dust on their hair and clothes. I believe that this is a big reason why sprint car racing isn't as popular as it should be. It's hard to get non-committed fans to come back after they get dusted out. It very rarely happens on the dark clay.
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May 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: dkdorkboy on May 21 2011 at 11:21:10 AM
It was a northeast wind.Blowing right at the stands.What ya expect?
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I think my post pretty clearly explains my expectations. I've been to Attica with a Northwest wind, and I know it blows the dust into the stands, however when your sitting in turn one and can't see turn four, or sitting in the turn four grandstands on the pit pass side and can't see past the flagstand even with goggles on it's a bit on the dusty side there dorkboy. How do I know this, I tried both sides.
I'm posting this so the good folks at Attica see this and will know if they have a happy customer or not, and if enough people are unhappy perhaps they will get the message that they are not meeting expectations. That's a lot better than just not going back, wouldn't you say. Gas City and Attica are both exactly 1:45 minutes from my house, and 90% of the time I go to Gas City because I don't have to blink through a blinding dust storm. It amazes me how an inferior product is continually presented and people are just happy to be there and will take whatever they could get. A LITTLE maintenance last night between sprint races and no late model hot laps, heats, b-main and then 25 lap a-main in my opinion would have helped conditions and made for better viewing OF THEIR PREMIER EVENT WITH A STANDING ROOM ONLY CROWD!
One final point, I've suggested to Rex several times they spray paint the catch fence black, it would again help the fans to see the action better. The silver fence with the lights shining directly down on it makes viewing the action difficult if looking from the side. No need to listen obviously if the stands are full though. No need to worry about a dust out if the stands are full, the folks are desperate, they'll watch anything and be thankful to see it.
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May 21, 2011 at
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Whats the point of 30 Late Models on a night like this you ask? Simple.... there's two reasons. Money for the back gate, and something to entertain the fans while the outlaws work between their hotlaps and heats, heats and b's, b's and dash, dash and feature, etc. The bigger reason is for the back gate $.
I'm not saying its right or wrong, I like it or don't like it. That's just simply why they do it.
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May 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: kkr91 on May 21 2011 at 02:34:20 PM
Whats the point of 30 Late Models on a night like this you ask? Simple.... there's two reasons. Money for the back gate, and something to entertain the fans while the outlaws work between their hotlaps and heats, heats and b's, b's and dash, dash and feature, etc. The bigger reason is for the back gate $.
I'm not saying its right or wrong, I like it or don't like it. That's just simply why they do it.
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I wasn't there and have no idea what pit passes last night cost. But assuming they were $40.00 and each LM brought in a driver and 3 (seems more than generous to average 4 p.p. per LM) crewmen that looks like 120 extra pit passes. 120 X $40.00 = $4,800 'padding to the back gate.' What was the LM purse? More than $4,800 looks like they (promoters) lost on their 'scheme.' Less than $4,800 they made a few bucks.
I would doubt they sold many tickets to the stands to see the LM's ONLY last night.
I would assume that LM's in Ohio don't race for free.
The IMCA modified purse at Marshalltown IA used to be, last I knew about $2,500 total for a 24 car field. This was for a $400 engine claim class back then and 75% used open trailers with pick ups as haulers (just food for thought.)
I think your idea as a down time filler is more likely the idea behind the LM's.
p.s. I would rather watch paint dry as modifieds or LM.s so I am no cheerleader for either class.
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May 21, 2011 at
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Just a couple notes based on what I know which isn't much.
The Outlaws dictate that there can only be one support division at their shows. The Outlaws require a purse and sanction fee that is bigger than anything many of these tracks see all year. Most tracks rely on something called back gate promoting for their weekly shows. In other words, a bunch of classes of some variation of stock cars, modifieds, hornets, pure stocks or whatever the call them at a particular track. The way that works is they'll get 5, 6, and in some cases as many as 7 or more classes. Figure they all bring a driver and a few pit guys and their friends and relatives in the stands watching. That's their comfort level.
Now bring in the WoO with a big purse and sanction fee and only one support class and they get a little nervous. I'm not going to give any specific tracks or details but the average fan sees a full grandstand and assumes that the promoter is raking in the dough because the Outlaws are there. That is not the case, they've got to pay their people, insurance, utilities, advertising and the biggest purse of the year and pray that the weather cooperates. For a lot of tracks a WoO show gone bad can make or break their season. I think anybody who doesn't know any promoters well enough to sit down and have a candid discussion would be surprised to know what goes on behind the scenes. It's not an easy job and it's not a given that they're going to make money on a WoO show. To the contrary, in a lot of cases without local businesses to step forward and serve as event sponsors the show wouldn't be possible.
As far as Late Models ruining the track for the Sprints if you sat down and had a conversation with someone like Late Model Hall of Famer Tom Nesbitt or someone like Jimmy Mars you'd hear the opposite. The Sprints with their wide soft tires ruin the track for the Late Models. Beauty as they say is in the eyes of the beholder. 
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May 22, 2011 at
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There's no support division when the WOO is at the Grove.
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May 22, 2011 at
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I thought the attica folks did fine dsthe track was racey 58 cars and 30 modifieds and on the road by 11 I sat in turn 1 it was a little dusty but nothing to complain about hey its dirtracing.
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May 22, 2011 at
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Living in the area I'm a little surprised it was dusty at all with all the rain we had. But I'm guessing they had to lock the track surface down earlier in the week to insure they even had a surface to race on. There was rain every day that week and even in the morning on Friday in the area. Im sure that had to play a part in it. If you want to save the track, eliminate 2 laps of qualifying when you have nearly 60 cars.
As for the late model controversy. I would much rather see the 305's. Sprint cars are the reason I was there. But the track owner likes late models. I do prefer to have some sort of support class to fill the down time and in todays society of "entertain me" types, I'm betting I'm not alone. It obviously wasn't just a back gate move or we would have seen the 305's with their MUCH smaller purse.
Overall, with a wind blowing into the stands, I expected to get dirty. I didn't think it was extreme by any means and have gotten MUCH dirtier on a couple of occassions at Gas City. I was elated with the fact we had 57 sprint cars, the racing was good and the track was racy. If you are a race fan, you were happy. If you were a first time visitor, then you might have been a little distressed with the bad luck of wind blowing into the stands. If your woman won't go back...then it's just one more thing you can do with the guys! I appreciate the effort of the Attica staff and the racers themselves! Job well done!!!
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May 22, 2011 at
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FYI you almost needed a resperator to watch the feature at mercer all star show last night. @ 48 410s and three other divisions. sat in turn 4 and couldnt see turn 1 action at all. as a long time fan i expect some dust but last night was pretty bad.. ps congratulations to pittman as he is on a roll right now...
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I love both the WoO and Lucas late model series as well as any other unlimited late model event, but when you are going to have 50 sprint cars at a WoO event, and you should know in advance the approx number, don't schedule another wildly fast car class that can tear up the track even more.
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May 22, 2011 at
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I wasn't there, so maybe it was much worse than i am picturing, however, I like both Late models and dry tracks. It does suck if the wind is blowing towards your seat though. Like I said, maybe it was ridiculously dry and you have a legit gripe, but a lot of people do prefer a track on the slower, dryer side.
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