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January 26, 2011 at
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So who is scaling back or giving up there tow rig from a toter, semi, or enclosed trailer to the old fashion open trailer to be able to go race again?
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January 27, 2011 at
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Thats not a bad Idea!
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January 27, 2011 at
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If I were a sponsor, I'd think seriously about requiring an open trailer.
If I were a promoter, I'd look into bonus pay and/or extra points for open trailered open wheel cars(sprint/midget/vintage).
Exposure is promotion, done to bring in $(read money), and right now a race car gets more attention on the way to a track than a semi. That was not true in 1980's, but it is becoming more true today. everybody knows you can finance a trailer and semi, so the buzz is flat.
We are a nation that is becoming numb to billboards, so much in fact that now the billboards are flashing and changing every 30 seconds in some places. Toterhomes for local shows blend in with everything else, giving no real exposure for the track/event they are going to.
my honest opinion.
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January 27, 2011 at
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Sorry, but while open trailers have a nice mystique about them, they do little to protect you goods from theft or vandalism, especially when you stop to eat or sleep. I worked on a team once that used an open trailer and had the steering wheel stolen while we eating.
Would you leave a $40,000 toolbox sitting in the bed of your truck with little or no protection? I'm guessing not likely. Too many crooks out there for my liking. It was one thing when racecars where homebuilt with a $1 or $2 thousand dollar investment in parts and labor. Most teams have at least $100K invested in their racing operation nowadays. They simply cannot afford to put those items at risk on an open trailer.
I, too, remember seeing cars towed on open trailers, and how fascinated I was back then. But it just doesn't make economic sense these days..........
Chuck.....
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January 27, 2011 at
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Here's the MAIN reason for all the big rigs all over the counrty in most all levels of racing.
When racers ask business people to help with money or some type of sponsorship most business people are smart. That's why they are still in business & sucessful over all time.
They know that the safest long term investment is racing is the truck & trailer of all sizes. They will lose very little value over 2 to 5 years if you take care of them. They also are big & noticable on the hiway & at the track. Good sponsorship value for your money vs. an engine, frame, rears, tires & wheels which lose 50% or more value at the 1st race.
Also if things don't work our between the racer & sponsor the truck & trailer as a title & you can drive it back to the business.
A good late model 5 year old tandem axle sleeper tractor can be purchased between $20,000 to $30,000 depending on condition, way cheaper than a crew cab diesel dually.
It's a fact because it makes good common sense & smart business sense if you love racing and want to be a big part of a team.
It's a fact !!
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January 27, 2011 at
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January 27, 2011 at
09:23:19 PM by Sprinter 79
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Posted By: RIDINGHIGH on January 27 2011 at 06:38:02 PM
Here's the MAIN reason for all the big rigs all over the counrty in most all levels of racing.
When racers ask business people to help with money or some type of sponsorship most business people are smart. That's why they are still in business & sucessful over all time.
They know that the safest long term investment is racing is the truck & trailer of all sizes. They will lose very little value over 2 to 5 years if you take care of them. They also are big & noticable on the hiway & at the track. Good sponsorship value for your money vs. an engine, frame, rears, tires & wheels which lose 50% or more value at the 1st race.
Also if things don't work our between the racer & sponsor the truck & trailer as a title & you can drive it back to the business.
A good late model 5 year old tandem axle sleeper tractor can be purchased between $20,000 to $30,000 depending on condition, way cheaper than a crew cab diesel dually.
It's a fact because it makes good common sense & smart business sense if you love racing and want to be a big part of a team.
It's a fact !!
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Yep, you are 100% correct.
Wish I could find a sponsor that would shell out the money, but alas I am pulling open through the rain.
Most of the things that you or I remember from our youth are not always the most fiscally responsible. 
It is still occasionally enjoyable to look back fondly at that which originally attracted us (or me anyway) to the sport. And for me it was not the $$$$$$$$$ it was the cars. But today it is far to expensive to let it get wet when it is not running and to dangerous to park in unfamiliar places. I agree!
Jim
Never hit stationary objects!
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January 27, 2011 at
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One team I know has bought a Toter & a larger enclosed trailer,but they are hauling another car to the races. So instead of 2 tow trucks & trailers going down the road there will be 1 & riding in comfort.
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January 27, 2011 at
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I think the funniest thing I ever delt with is we had a guy with a large toter home and trailer then would come down and buy used tires off us. Guess you should have put the money in your operation and not looking good getting there for the 30 mile drive to the track.
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January 28, 2011 at
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We always have an enclosed trailer for the security too. If you stop at a hotel, lock it up and you can actually get some sleep that night. If our stuff was sitting out in the open, might as well just keep going down the road, I wouldn't be able to sleep anyway. If you only race 30 minutes from home, that is a different story, but we are used to driving 2-6 hours to race, it just isn't the same.
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January 28, 2011 at
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i have worked out of open and enclosed trailers of every size and about every configuration. once you have worked out of an enclosed trailer you don't want to go back to an open one. it doesn't have to be a giant one either. it just needs to be able to suit your needs. i have worked out of some small enclosed trailers that worked just fine. i guess if you have to start selling off all your good racing stuff, just to keep racing, you are a die hard! lol. nothing wrong with an open trailer for local racing where you load up and go race, then go home and unload. still, unloading at 2 or 3 in the morning isn't my idea of fun. being able to park and come back the next day and unload, and knowing your stuff will still be there is nice.
to indy and beyond!!
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January 28, 2011 at
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i have worked out of both, and both have been stolen out of with locks. locks only keep honest people honest as my dad has always said. you dont ever see a rig out there turning laps and winning a race. i have had a guy show up at our races in an open trailer that drove over 8 hours to get there, kick our a$$ and go home. if u can afford it, its nice i promise. if not, gotta do what u gotta do to go racing. if youre just looking for a few extra sponsor dollars, the sponsors that want to pay to wrap or put their name on an enclosed trailer can probably afford to help you get one if its that important to them.
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January 29, 2011 at
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Posted By: huh on January 28 2011 at 11:45:32 PM
i have worked out of both, and both have been stolen out of with locks. locks only keep honest people honest as my dad has always said. you dont ever see a rig out there turning laps and winning a race. i have had a guy show up at our races in an open trailer that drove over 8 hours to get there, kick our a$$ and go home. if u can afford it, its nice i promise. if not, gotta do what u gotta do to go racing. if youre just looking for a few extra sponsor dollars, the sponsors that want to pay to wrap or put their name on an enclosed trailer can probably afford to help you get one if its that important to them.
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You hit it on the mark! You do what you can afford. The hauler never wins races either and just gets a few good laffs too when the driver can't drive the race car or know what to do with it. But the hauler looks nice. haha. As of late it seems to be and doesn't matter if you have an open trailer or enclosed both are being stolen and broken into.
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January 31, 2011 at
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You want to really get to cost savings in racing.
Require HARD NARROWER rear tires.
They will last longer than one race,
The horsepower race will be haulted . It will be discovered less is more
Better racing, save track conditions.
JMO Go luck fighting corp. racing. costs will just continue to RISE....
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February 01, 2011 at
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Posted By: rustysteel on January 31 2011 at 05:45:07 PM
You want to really get to cost savings in racing.
Require HARD NARROWER rear tires.
They will last longer than one race,
The horsepower race will be haulted . It will be discovered less is more
Better racing, save track conditions.
JMO Go luck fighting corp. racing. costs will just continue to RISE....
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If you do that then how are the tire mfg's going to be able to recoup the cost that they spent to buy all the racetracks all over the country..??
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February 01, 2011 at
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Posted By: WIsprinter on January 27 2011 at 09:50:39 PM
I think the funniest thing I ever delt with is we had a guy with a large toter home and trailer then would come down and buy used tires off us. Guess you should have put the money in your operation and not looking good getting there for the 30 mile drive to the track.
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Thats funny.
Karl Kinser always had one of the smallest rigs and he did OK.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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