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Well like me and some others have said, the 410 drivers are the best in the business. Whenever the ASCS has a big show 95% of the time a 410 reg wins it. This should prove once again they are the better drivers. Dont give me that crap its money either. These guys barely run any 360 shows and when they do they win! Plus its on the Hoosier tire where Saldana has been on GoodYears all year. Advantage 360 guys but that didnt matter, again! Just admit it, 410 drivers are the best in business!

Shane Stewart.....was once a WoO 410 driver...

Jason Johnson...was once a 410 driver...

Tim Kaeding...has been on and off the WoO tour over the past 5 years...even won a few NST features(10 or 11)

My point? They're good drivers - but they're not good enough to be traveling WoO 410 drivers,

It takes a special breed of driver to run 80+ shows a year, criss-crossing the country, and keeping an owner happy with your performance. Many have tried it - but not too many have made it a permanent deal....

Yeah, I know, (your driver) deserves a chance to race with the big boys..... but the last name that I'd have given a WoO ride to is Jesse Hockett...but opportunities are few and far between!

Chuck.....

You sound like the Posse during the Grove streak: basing the performance of both groups of cars off the 1 guy standing in the winner's circle. ASCS regulars had 16 of the possible 35 top five positions over the final 7 events against the WoO/Other 410 invaders. Schatz, Kinser, and Saldana combined to top 4 of the 7 features which is nearly the same percentage of races they combine to win opposed any series they compete against.

No doubt the cream of the WoO are the best sprint car drivers in the world, but if the 410 "regs" are so much better than the ASCS regulars then is sure is interesting they could they only snag one more top five combined over the seven events. How did the dominant 410 drivers let Tony Stewart, Jack Dover, and Johnny Herrera win??

I think you guys are missing the point. It is great for the sport that these WoO drivers enter these races for any reason. It's just like its' great for the sport went a "sprint cup" driver enters a Craftman truck race or Nation Wide. The fans flock to see the races.

I don't know about you but I'm happy weather it is TK or anybody else who enters any race. We all have are heros and hope they do well. You don't know how good you are until you enter. Then you go home and work on your game for the next race. That is what racing is all about.

Sincerely,

Larry Otani

so what about Jack Dover keeping up with them all in his young career? We could all argue all day and not get anywhere.

And a 360 driver Shane Stewart beat all but 2 410 guys at Nationals so.......

Stewart, JJ and Kaeding are absolutely good enough to be on the WoO tour. Are they good enough to win often, probably not, although TK did very well in the 2nd Kinser car in 2006. If those guys were on the tour, they would be around 7th-10th in points and probably take a feature or two.

To quote Shane Stewart when I asked him at lunch a few weeks ago about Kinser and all the WoO guys going to show up at the season ending races: "who cares, were all drivers when it comes down to it whether it's 360's or 410's." He goes on to say "I don't know why everybody gets so caught up on that deal."

lurk, fyi Hefertepe got his start racing 360's with ASCS

Both 360s and 410s have really good drivers. The 360 guys may not have as much luck though when it comes to driving a 410 and its harder. On the other hand, for the 410 guys to drive 360s, its kind of a step down from running 80 races in a 410 then running two or three in a 360. Im not bashing any drivers because not many of you guys (including me) would probably be able to keep up with the tail of a 360 or 410 field with the strength of the competition

You have to get a chuckle out of these big motor guys stealing the little motor guys cash. Bottom line the 410 cash bandits run against tougher competition on a regular basis which makes them overall better. Not knocking anyone here, it's just fact that tougher competition makes you better. No doubt SS and JJ are the class of the minor leagues, but on a regular basis do not run against the major leagues and it shows. I'm not saying they never have a good showing against the major leaguers, just not the norm. The ASCS should be the training ground for drivers looking to step up to tougher competition. Look at Hafertepe, he is a prime example of how this should work.

Hafertepe? 4 years, no wins.......prime example.

What about the 360 nationals and the 2010 Knoxville Nationals - Shane Stewart places 3rd and wins his prelim feature AND sweeps both features when he was on the track at the 360 nationals, and i dont believe sammy or anyone could have gotten him.. the 2006 knoxville nationals - Jason johnson places 3rd and also time trials 3rd on his qualifying night at the 2010 Nationals, 2nd place in his prelim feature at the 2009 Knoxville nationals... Jack Dover places 9th in his prelim feature at the 2009 Nationals as well.. 2008 Nationals Gary wright places 3rd in his prelim feature.. Yes, i am basing these off of the knoxville nationals but hey, thats the race where everybody and anybody try to be, so there is a mix of both series drivers there..

every driver i have ever talked to says once you drive 410s for a year, it makes the 360 stuff like slow motion to them.. that is why they seem better, it has nothing to do with driver ability.. dont get me wrong, i love both forms of the sport, but arguing over what class of sprints has the better skilled drivers isnt doing the sport any good when the sport is basically dying in the first place. were lucky we can still enjoy sprint car racing, so why not support it! JMO

Prime example as in moving on to better competition. Sam is becoming a better driver and is getting there racing against the best in the business every night.

RRLug, your statement would be more accurate if you replaces "410 Reg" with "WoO driver".

and Wow, what a newsflash...you mean that the WoO drivers just might be some of the best Sprint Car drivers in the country? Damn, they're good..maybe they should get an outlaw ride....wait a minute...they already have one. Thanks for the brilliant revelation. By the number of times you try convince everyone that the 360 guys are sooo horrible, it obviously burns your ass that the ASCS shows are drawing such an awesome field for just being a lowly 360 series. Just like I'm sure it really burned your ass that Darrah, Mitrisin, Landis, Hafertepe, Wolfe, Swindell, Sweet, Lasoski, Hillier, and Solwold all missed a feature on at least 1 of the 2 Vegas nights. But I'm sure that doesn't matter because Joey won on Saturday.

Some of you guys need to check yourselves for cuts and bruises. Seems like you may have been run over by the WoO propaganda-pr machine from the WRO.