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Wow... The Posse wins again....

One theory on why this is so...

The format used in Pennsylvania rewards racing and passing!!!

In my opinion this is why 410 racing is alive and well there....

The WoO format rewards qualifying ... holding your spot in your heat (i.e. free pass)...

and hoping you get a lucky draw for the dash....

Just a thought... 1 Californian enjoying the Posse thrashing the WoO...

btw... Go Paulie and Jason!

Only 11 of the 28 drivers in the feature were posse, two of those being former world of outlaw drivers, including the winner and 5th place. 11 of 15 full-time world of outlaw drivers were in the feature, and two part-time outlaws, sammy and madsen to make it 13 outlaws really. Then, one former outlaw doing most of his racing in the northwest (solwold), two all-stars (shaffer being a former outlaw), and a western pa driver Holtgraver. 4 of the 11 full-time outlaws were in the top 10, but 8 of the top 10 have run with the outlaws for a full season in the past or present. With the only exceptions being Erdley and Montieth. Only 8 of the 28 drivers in the feature have raced their whole careers in central pa.

i have always thought that since so much speed is scrubbed off in the corners at the grove that a typical sprint motor which puts most power at top could easily be beat buy a motor that has a broader and more mid range power, if a car is only good there chances are the engine is built for different power than other places,,,,,,,,,

i have always thought that since so much speed is scrubbed off in the corners at the grove that a typical sprint motor which puts most power at top could easily be beat buy a motor that has a broader and more mid range power, if a car is only good there chances are the engine is built for different power than other places,,,,,,,,,

I would guess there a 2 WoO multi team owners that would think NOTHING of buying each of their teams 2 brand new 'bullets' (4 total @ maybe $40,000 +?? each)  as you have described if they THOUGHT there was a snowballs chance in hell of winning ANY WoO event at the 'Grove.'

Several words come to mind for me explaining why the posse is winning many so times over WoO at the 'Grove.'.....

Local knowledge....experience.....practice...practice...practice.......makes perfect.

R.A.

S.H.S.

You might be right lake, I'm sure that the successful locals motors make a ton of torque, but they also have to have some pretty long legs to pull past the flagstand...

I think that combination would be stoud anywhere, but your point is well taken that the posse heavy hitters have motors built for WG in mind.

sorry to double post, but I fat fingered the reply button before I had the chance to ask the wesmar fellow his thoughts, they still build some pretty stout pieces in OK and he's always has some pretty good insight?

we had (2) motors back in the day, supposedly a "short track" hitter and a long legged unit, like most locals we never had the motor that we wanted when we wanted it, or so we thought, but on one occasion we took the short track motor to the big E and got real aggresive (lucky) with the high speed and set our personal best q-time.

long story short, I am pretty sure a good motor is a good motor? what do you experts think?

Who are you? MSPN's retarded son??? Also, since you say you have watched tapes of the posse, you should know how to spell the drivers names.

230+ tracks visited

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Royal,Susky,Plymouth,Winchester,

Kokomo,Wall,GraysHar(x2)Gr.View 

SouthSound,Wash.,Willamette,Cot.Grove,

Southside,Langley VA,Orange Co.NY

Yes, Dewease won this year WoO at Lernerville and Hodnett, Stevie and Pittman finished 6, 10, 11 at Nationals.

I was at Voulsia this past February for 2 nights of WoO racing. The first night no Posse guys made the top ten. The second night, they got 8th and 10th.

"They'll learn." 

Again they have all spent at least a year on the road, dewease once with the all-stars.

They rarely leave home and go on the road. When they do go on the road its not the best. They defend their turf well!

Hammerdown!

I was saying that those prticular drivers, Hodnett, Stevie Smith, Daryn Pittman have all spent years with the World of Outlaws, Dewease once with the all-stars.

Member of this message board since 1997

The World of Outlaws doesn't race enough. If you want to be the best you have to be Posse or a renegade like Shaffer to get enough races in anymore.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

The Posse drivers are really good on their home tracks but "not so much" outside of them. Yes, a few have ventured out of the Keystone state and didn't embarass themselves but they didn't set the world on fire.

The WoO teams are the best at seeing a new track and being faster than locals in a matter of minutes.

PA teams are smart. They configure engines and chassis for the tracks they run, not a variety like the WoO faces. They are extremely tough at home.

Run the WoO every Friday night at the Grove and they, too, will adapt to their surrounding as the Posse teams have done.

Have the Posse run 80 different tracks on the road and they will adapt, too.

Just because they both run Goodyears and 410s doesn't mean we're comparing apples to apples IMHO.

Both are good at what they do (Posse-run a handful of local tracks, WoO-run every track known to man) but if you ask me who is better... I won't say Posse. Ever.

You left out the money aspect of the equation. The WoO teams have a funding advantage way beyond what local teams anywhere in the country can match. The top WoO teams have NASCAR money behind them, not a local business. How many individual businessmen, be it in PA or Ohio or California, can compete with money from the Cup series? I have never seen the local teams around here in PA change several engines a night like what is commonplace for the Outlaw teams.

That is not really what this thread is eluding to. I think the general thinking is that the Posse teams could

somehow compete with the WOO teams on a nightly basis. Sorry, not only compete, but i believe the

originator of the thread is trying to say that the Posse teams and drivers are better than the WOO. What

a joke. The funding is one of the main reasons the Posse couldnt compete. I know many of you think

that if some of the Posse drivers had the money, they could compete with the WOO drivers. Yeah, they

probably could, but if my sister had nuts, she'd be my brother. The nascar teams that hire these drivers,

hire the best they can find and hold on to the ones that produce. Not to say there isnt some talent to be

found out there (we will find out next year with Cody), but for the most part, most of these Posse

drivers are just very good drivers, with good teams, good funding, and good equipment. They are not

going to ever be measured up to the high funded teams with the best of the best for crews and best

of the best for drivers. Ever. Kind of a neat story seeing them whoop up on the outlaws at their home

tracks, but enough is enough. Not going to compete with them at 4 different venues in 6 days all over

the countryside.

he won once at Manzy for the Slick 50... maybe one other there,,,

For all the BS and bashing that goes on with this board, this thread was not even started by someone from PA. A lot of you guys from across the country that think two or three posters on this message board equals PA are getting your chain pulled for entertaiment on this message board.

Ever notice how different the threads are from out of the area people that actually take in a race in PA instead of taking everything on this board as the gospel of the way things are in PA? Check out the threads from Duffy or Tim Cole on the board right now.