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thats really crap of those did that. there are even those today on both sides of the current issues who do the same damn thing. people opposed to Washington policy lashing out at those for it. and then those in favor of washington policy lashing out at those against it.

I'm right there with you man on the Salute to the flag, God Bless America, and especially ENGLISH. I used to be opposed to religion in schools - but seeing the crazy crap happening in schools all over the country - maybe it needs it.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I understand what you're saying I just would have stated it a little more tactfully. But I'm not you. You have the right to express your opinions as well. An exchange of ideas is always healthy. Without it democracy doesn't work properly.

Like I said I do understand where you're coming from but you always have the option to ignore those threads that don't interest you or that you don't care to read about. I could care less about NASCAR and really don't care to read about it so I just ignore those posts that relate to it.

Anyway, for the most part I do agree with you that this is a racing site and generally should stay on the topic of local racing and the such. I just found the irony of your post kind of humorous thats all... even if it may have not been exactly what you meant.

I like dirt!

Dogwater

Humorcan go along way

THANKS.

That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.

Don't like NASCAR??Daaaamnn.Imagine nascar on a dirt track,or the Indy 500 on dirt.Now that would be bad ass cool, would be worth watching even on pay per view.Kinser would be king,Swindell well ?Ole cheese might even be somebody.

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
CKS Chassis                                            
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"

Anybody got any popcorn!

God made dirt,man made asphalt.

I suggest that before you form an opinion, go join the service or talk to a veteran who has survived the turmoils of war. The ones I have talked to knew why they were there and what they were fighting for. Freedom is not a BIRTHRIGHT GIVEN, it is a HARD FOUGHT FOR PRIVILEGE.

Sheila Jennings

Daughter of a Combat Vet

OK, now that we got all that out of the way,somebody throw the green flag so we can go back to racing.

OH WOW, several months ago I did this topic because of the tragedy of Virginia Tech and where I think our priorities are. I now look and this thing won't die!!! I haven't read all the posts on this thread (and I won't-my choice) but I posted what I had to say and I ain't posting on this topic again.

Are we done with this thread yet?

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

that is a well thought out point. and I fully agree. in effort to not feed fuel to the fire in this thread I'll just keep it at that. some other time when I'm not so tired I would like to explain. but for now just suffice it to say I completely agree with you.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

OKC just got Black Flagged on this topic, one more lap may constitute a Two Week Suspension. lol

As before I wanted to leave it alone - I'm gonna flip flop and deliver something thats been long overdue. Did it draw that much ire that I didn't talk much politics on this forum for awhile? I guess so - enough so that this dead horse got revived just to be beat again. so anyone not wanting to read an essay - ignore this. lol. I'm sure I'll need 3 different session to complete it.

Everyone in this country should support the troops - but that doesn't AT ALL mean to BLINDLY follow those giving them orders (DC). In fact, anyone who who does think that - is doing the opposite of honoring the troops. if our freedom is among the things our troops are defending - then we should actually practice it. who's to say I haven't talked to those who served and/or those who are serving. 2 of the closest people in my life - one is currently serving in the Navy and the other served in WW2 and the Normandy invasion. hours upon hours of discussion I've head with both (g-pa passed away in 05) - it is in their honor - and heroic men just like them - that I question the policies of people WE ELECT.

Never in my life would I question anything about those serving - and I strongly believe that my opinions in no way do them any dishonor whatsoever. The real dishonor comes from those who simply do not care. not just about the servicemen - but about all local, state, and national issues. it is in part because of sheer neglect that our veterans have been so dishonored (ie Walter Reed). 90% of the people I've ever known in life almost go about it as if it doesn't affect them and their 9-5 lives. they don't take note that servicemen's well being is actually in their hands since we elect the people who make those decisions. they thump patriotism constantly - and they just don't care. how many people are educated about the American War for Independence, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, WW1, WW2, The Korean War, Vietnam, the first Persian Gulf War, and now the wars we fight in Afghanistan and Iraq? and thats excluding the less honorable conflicts in our short history. Who really appreciates the men who sacrificed for the Glorious or Greater Cause in those wars? VERY VERY FEW. Serving in the military is the single greatest act/acts of patriotism a patriot can do. but it is not the only. being educated and passionate about your country's history - and the men who sacrificed to preserve that nation - is also a great act of patriotism - and one of the greatest ways to honor it. those who forget the past - repeat it. very true statement. so many have no clue about any of the history of this country - and its not due to a lack of information - but in many ways - a lack of REAL patriotism. I don't just want to honor those currently serving our country. but those who did in every other war or conflict since the first in Boston. so many thump patriotism - but know nothing of those heroes and their sacrifices - which may go a long wy in why so many mistakes are being made today. There are many great ideas, priniciples, and men in the history of our nation. I suggest if we want to honor America now and in the future - we should begin by honoring the past.

as I said before - it's not patriotic to blindly follow men who constantly make bad decisions that affect not just our troops who are putting everything on the line - but the citizens too. It is with pride in my country in mind - that I passionately take to educating myself on everything that pertains to it. good or bad. By all means - it should be a "pre-requisite" to true patriotism. In looking at the failures of our people and our government to make the best decisions with their lives at stake - and also the failures of both to properly honor the veterans - I would hedge a LARGE bet that all who serve this country would wish for all citizens to take an active approach in its governing. and to question and criticize elected leaders - and not follow them blindly and make like it is ok for so many failures of the magnitude we have seen. anybody gettin what I'm saying? How could someone love freedom and then allow their elected leaders to brutally bludgeon it? It is the responsibility of ALL patriots to defend their consitution - not just against foreign powers - but from domestic ones as well. which is why ALL patriots should take a big exception to what has happened to the executive branch of our government in recent history - most notably the last 8 years. there were reasons we had check and balances in our government - and many who "claim" to be patriots are somehow fine with watching the demise of th Constitution among other things.

When I said I agree with Sheila - it is because yes I have spoken at great length with people who served past and present in the military. It is with that in mind that I hold the beliefs I do. It is with that in mind that I believe the greatness of America is not something we are born into - but something we must practice and earn - in many different ways. Th opinion I hold that we are currently not a great country - shouldn't take anything away from my patriotism - or others opinion of my patriotism. because I feel whereas we do not have much of the greatness the country once had - we have the power to get it back. that responsibility falls to each one of us. I feel the first thing needed to do accomplish it - is to dissolve the division in this country. there are 2 sides so adamantly opposed and despise each other - and we know for a fact that some in power really did promote this. This is something that I am personally proud of - that even despite the differences I have with many people - I still see them as my countrymen. countrymen with their rights to their own opinions as well. I love to have discussion and even heated discussion - but I think no less of the people who disagree with me and my beliefs. but yet many people have no concept of that. Its them and their side's way - or the highway? All I really want to see is the country being led by someone who unites and not divides the people they represent and serve. looking out for the best interests of the country - not just those who voted for them or contributed to their campaign. It falls to us as citizens to make this and everything else happen. the poor leadership we have had - is the direct result of people not educating themselves to the issues as well as their relevance - both in the past and in the present. had we have done this - many things would be different. the majority of this country sees the economy as the most important issue - well it has direct relevance there as well - had the people made better and more informed decisions in picking their elected leaders - in both legislative and executive branches of government and in both dems and reps combined - we may not have had to witness the sharp decline in the value of the US dollar. those educated in issues know what I am talking - those who don't - be patriotic - and educate yourselves. It's the greatest and most effective to serve your country in a civilian capacity. I could prove that if anyone wants me to. lol.

I was wrong - it took 4 different sessions to complete it. lol. o well between trucks to unload - it passes the time.......................to anyone bothered by such a long post - I sincerely apologize.

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wouldchuck could chuck would