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David Smith Jr
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April 16, 2007 at 02:11:41 PM
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We send thousands of troops on a wild goose chase to try to get a country to turn democratic and change their lifestyles and get thousands of our guys killed. But yet we have tons of problems here in our homeland to where people go off on a killing rampage and gang vilolence getting out of hand and we can't control that.

Somebodys reasoning isn't very intellegent if you ask me.


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mkinserfan
April 16, 2007 at 02:51:42 PM
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Amen!!!!



20stewart
April 17, 2007 at 10:51:37 AM
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If you cared about your grandkids or their grandkids and learn about what the world is facing with some of the people over there, you'd understand what we are trying to do , without the help of course of many americans like you, as sad as it is, can't wait until you all learn the hard way of what these people are really up to, instead of the uglyness and nice, nice,  our media feeds us!

 




jdsprint71
April 17, 2007 at 11:09:08 AM
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UH OH , Could this thread get ugly?



mkinserfan
April 17, 2007 at 12:04:31 PM
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Nope, everyone has a right to there own opinion! God bless AMERICA and our troops!! Also, may the families of those tragically killed at Virginia Tech be in everyones thoughts and prayers



20stewart
April 17, 2007 at 01:45:57 PM
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Posted By: jdsprint71 on April 17 2007 at 11:09:08 AM

UH OH , Could this thread get ugly?



Why get ugly??? It all ties in together!! If people were held accountable and understood the threat we really are living in, and CARED about their children things like yesterday would never have happened and the middle east would already be states 51 through 60!




Skeesiks
April 17, 2007 at 04:18:39 PM
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Posted By: jdsprint71 on April 17 2007 at 11:09:08 AM

UH OH , Could this thread get ugly?



It sure could.  I have an opinoin on all these topics but I'll hold my tongue for now.

God bless America and all the troops that have ever served for this great country.

My condolences to all the families and friends of V. T.   God be with you all.



jdsprint71
April 17, 2007 at 05:19:42 PM
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Like I said it COULD get Ugly.



LOBO123
April 17, 2007 at 08:28:56 PM
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stop and ask your self. Self did my fore fathers fight in ww1, ww2, viet nam, korea? then why am i driving one of them foreign danm cars or is it a truck? GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL OF THOSE THAT HAVE LOST THIER LIVES IN THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES. ALSO THE LOVED ONES THAT HAVE SUFFERED THEIR LOSS. ---------------------------THAT IS MY OPION




OKCFan12
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This message was edited on April 18, 2007 at 12:42:12 AM by OKCFan12

Jd my friend this could get very ugly indeed. Not sure what 20stewart is speaking of. But I hear talks about american values and stuff that just doesn't exist anymore. I think it should......obviously he does as well.......as does every INDIVIDUAL in this country. But the facts are that COLLECTIVELY America is about the biggest group of shallow, spineless idiots the world has seen in a long long time. And manipulating americans is comparable to herding sheep. The press and the government in this country love the kind of sh*t that happened yesterday in Virginia. It distracts citizens from many other more important issues.......and for the press it equals RATINGS.

We wonder why we are so hated around the world. Maybe the fact that we elect a bunch of shady upper class a-holes to go around the world making shady deals and supporting regimes that extract money from their own countries national resources..........but never invest back in their own countries infrastructure..........instead keeping the majority for the themselves while cutting our government in on a slice of the pie as well. If an oil country in the middle east instead opted to go to the best bid (China) and invested the money back in their own countries economy the US government WITH THE BACKING OF US CITIZENS would make up a bunch of bogus information about how that regime is connected to al-qaeda..........label them terrorists........and then support any faction that will attempt to overthrow that nationalist regime and cut us back in on the oil, hell we may go so far as to something completely irrational...........like............maybe invade their country on false pretenses? It has been known to happen . We the people already know of all sorts of VERY shady stuff our government has done..........but choose to put common sense aside and pretend that the government is trying to do the right thing (what we elect them to do). The US government has not done the right things nor will they try to. They will serve what is in their best 4 (or 8) year interests money wise. We also ignore all the contracts that have gone out for defense, war machines, and oil since we occupied Iraq. They have all gone to friends of the administration. They were never even up for bid. And then to top it all off the citizens have had almost all of their rights taken away. Among the most important being due process and warrants. The surveillance the NSA does is not to stop terrorism.......anyone who thinks that is a complete idiot............it's to silence homegrown opposition to the administrations policies. It is designed to silence any and all opposition to this administration........which should be impeached for about 100 different things. The sole purpose of this surveillance is to eliminate all threats to their web of lies and to scare US citiznes into submission. It seems to have worked awfully well I might add. And the "trustworthy" press won't report any of this to us until so long after the fact the citizens will be able to do nothing about it. Really makes a person wonder what incentive the press has to not tell the people of this country the truth. hmmmmmmmmm............

On to the next one............"defending freedom abroad" the only thing more pathetic than that phrase are the people that buy into it. How in the hell are we protecting freedom by fighting them over there.......YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T EVEN PROTECT YOUR OWN BORDER! The sheriff of Brownsville, TX (who knows more about this than practically anyone) issued a statement along with his resignation that stated it's not whether or not terrorists could get in.........it's about how long until the next attack........because they are already here. This is perhaps the biggest clue to our governments bullsh*t. And we ignore it everyday. If we were serious about protecting this country we would protect the border. When a person takes a good look at the fact they should see the rest of the cards go down also. Everything about this country is a lie. It should be the United States of Distraction. Because everything in our day-to-day lives is just that.......a distraction from the truth. Most people agree about things being messed up.........and are pissed about it.........but the moment American Idol or Dancing with the Stars comes on........then what? they are distracted. Due to our governments willingness to wage psychological war on its own people (through the press I might add)...........most citizens will not even challenge it.........let alone question it. Come on people! the man we think is the biggest threat to our daily lives used to work for our presidents daddy, THEY created this monster. I half jokingly think that the day this president leaves office.........this country becomes just a lil bit more safe.

But don't worry too much. As we all know this country is run by big oil. And as long as it is the citizens are just sittin ducks. When the oil runs out........and this will be within the next 10 years.......maybe even the next 5.........we're screwed. All because we elect people who have their buddies oil wells more on their minds than the long term problems you or I face. Whats worse is that if we don't get off oil within the next 5 years.......our own government (which will lie and blame it on something or someone else) will cut us off from our oh so precious oil. Because in the end of things.......they care much more about having oil for their tanks than they do about you having oil for your super duper SUV.

So if a person thinks me extreme.......ok. If a person doesn't agree with me.......fine by me. We haven't had our INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS taken from us just yet. But please ...... I beg you......please vote for whoever has the best plan for fuel and energy. Because those 2 and global warming are the biggest threats we face.........not terrorism. And who knows? maybe if we find an alternative fuel that we can mass produce within the next few years..........we might just have enough oil left over for all the dirt track race cars to keep on racing forever. There's my optimism JD wink

Come on Skeesiks........tell us what you think! You can't do any worse than I just did..............

PS...........I just occupied 5 min. of JD's workday. wink lol


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Skeesiks
April 18, 2007 at 07:40:23 AM
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on April 18 2007 at 12:30:37 AM

Jd my friend this could get very ugly indeed. Not sure what 20stewart is speaking of. But I hear talks about american values and stuff that just doesn't exist anymore. I think it should......obviously he does as well.......as does every INDIVIDUAL in this country. But the facts are that COLLECTIVELY America is about the biggest group of shallow, spineless idiots the world has seen in a long long time. And manipulating americans is comparable to herding sheep. The press and the government in this country love the kind of sh*t that happened yesterday in Virginia. It distracts citizens from many other more important issues.......and for the press it equals RATINGS.

We wonder why we are so hated around the world. Maybe the fact that we elect a bunch of shady upper class a-holes to go around the world making shady deals and supporting regimes that extract money from their own countries national resources..........but never invest back in their own countries infrastructure..........instead keeping the majority for the themselves while cutting our government in on a slice of the pie as well. If an oil country in the middle east instead opted to go to the best bid (China) and invested the money back in their own countries economy the US government WITH THE BACKING OF US CITIZENS would make up a bunch of bogus information about how that regime is connected to al-qaeda..........label them terrorists........and then support any faction that will attempt to overthrow that nationalist regime and cut us back in on the oil, hell we may go so far as to something completely irrational...........like............maybe invade their country on false pretenses? It has been known to happen . We the people already know of all sorts of VERY shady stuff our government has done..........but choose to put common sense aside and pretend that the government is trying to do the right thing (what we elect them to do). The US government has not done the right things nor will they try to. They will serve what is in their best 4 (or 8) year interests money wise. We also ignore all the contracts that have gone out for defense, war machines, and oil since we occupied Iraq. They have all gone to friends of the administration. They were never even up for bid. And then to top it all off the citizens have had almost all of their rights taken away. Among the most important being due process and warrants. The surveillance the NSA does is not to stop terrorism.......anyone who thinks that is a complete idiot............it's to silence homegrown opposition to the administrations policies. It is designed to silence any and all opposition to this administration........which should be impeached for about 100 different things. The sole purpose of this surveillance is to eliminate all threats to their web of lies and to scare US citiznes into submission. It seems to have worked awfully well I might add. And the "trustworthy" press won't report any of this to us until so long after the fact the citizens will be able to do nothing about it. Really makes a person wonder what incentive the press has to not tell the people of this country the truth. hmmmmmmmmm............

On to the next one............"defending freedom abroad" the only thing more pathetic than that phrase are the people that buy into it. How in the hell are we protecting freedom by fighting them over there.......YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T EVEN PROTECT YOUR OWN BORDER! The sheriff of Brownsville, TX (who knows more about this than practically anyone) issued a statement along with his resignation that stated it's not whether or not terrorists could get in.........it's about how long until the next attack........because they are already here. This is perhaps the biggest clue to our governments bullsh*t. And we ignore it everyday. If we were serious about protecting this country we would protect the border. When a person takes a good look at the fact they should see the rest of the cards go down also. Everything about this country is a lie. It should be the United States of Distraction. Because everything in our day-to-day lives is just that.......a distraction from the truth. Most people agree about things being messed up.........and are pissed about it.........but the moment American Idol or Dancing with the Stars comes on........then what? they are distracted. Due to our governments willingness to wage psychological war on its own people (through the press I might add)...........most citizens will not even challenge it.........let alone question it. Come on people! the man we think is the biggest threat to our daily lives used to work for our presidents daddy, THEY created this monster. I half jokingly think that the day this president leaves office.........this country becomes just a lil bit more safe.

But don't worry too much. As we all know this country is run by big oil. And as long as it is the citizens are just sittin ducks. When the oil runs out........and this will be within the next 10 years.......maybe even the next 5.........we're screwed. All because we elect people who have their buddies oil wells more on their minds than the long term problems you or I face. Whats worse is that if we don't get off oil within the next 5 years.......our own government (which will lie and blame it on something or someone else) will cut us off from our oh so precious oil. Because in the end of things.......they care much more about having oil for their tanks than they do about you having oil for your super duper SUV.

So if a person thinks me extreme.......ok. If a person doesn't agree with me.......fine by me. We haven't had our INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS taken from us just yet. But please ...... I beg you......please vote for whoever has the best plan for fuel and energy. Because those 2 and global warming are the biggest threats we face.........not terrorism. And who knows? maybe if we find an alternative fuel that we can mass produce within the next few years..........we might just have enough oil left over for all the dirt track race cars to keep on racing forever. There's my optimism JD wink

Come on Skeesiks........tell us what you think! You can't do any worse than I just did..............

PS...........I just occupied 5 min. of JD's workday. wink lol



Very good !!!!! Aint it a shame. BTW, I didn't vote for him. LOL

Matbe more later. Not enough time right now.



KrisFrost
April 18, 2007 at 04:20:42 PM
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Here's Lee Iacocca's thoughts:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/iacocca.asp




nonwing bill
April 18, 2007 at 05:34:35 PM
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OKCFan12, you are 100% right. It's amazing to me that such a large number of Americans are ill-informed, blindly following the worst leader this country has ever known. Most of us are too lazy to try to learn more about what's actually going on. Or just plain ignorant. I support our troops but I don't support what they've been sent to do in Iraq. And yes, it's possible to do both.



cheese21
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April 18, 2007 at 05:45:09 PM
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So let me get this straight...Our administration right now is a big dark overlord society and everything is a conspiracy. Also everything they do is wrong. And from what I've read on here, if you talk bad about them you will be thrown in jail for life for no reason (since everyone on here has been). And every other countries' government is perfect, and they hate us for pure reasons, not just because their religious leaders tell them to kill every American/infidel that is around. Don't forget that our government is in shambles since we are in a depression and all right now with the gas prices being ridicules (see Jimmy Carter and Reagonomics). Give me a break, people talking about being persuaded by the media when they have been persuaded just as much by different sources. Our country is fine, the people fighting for our country are great, there hasn't been another foreign terrorist attack on us since 2001, and its NOT like they aren't trying to. It is because some stuff that the administration is doing is actually working (wow, no way).

And global warming, oh don't get me started on that. That is the biggest farce in the history of this planet. When your GEOLOGY PROFESSOR IN COLLEGE says that its not true, it's probably not true. He is one of the top geologist (geology is the study of the Earth) in the country and he doesn't agree with it. Every 10,000 years the world goes through a change in orbit, that change in orbit either brings an ice age or makes the Earth heat up. Right now the Earth is heating up. It's natural! Many many many natural things cause more CO2 than we do. 1 volcano puts out more than we do, weathered limestone puts out more than we do. The ocean also puts out more than we do. It is natural, no matter what we do it will not affect us. We will not run out of oil either. With the recent findings off shore and in other places the US would be fine by itself for a very very long time. Long enough to find an efficient source is alternative fuel. That's my rant. Smile



 

MAD DASH
April 18, 2007 at 10:20:08 PM
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on April 18 2007 at 12:30:37 AM

Jd my friend this could get very ugly indeed. Not sure what 20stewart is speaking of. But I hear talks about american values and stuff that just doesn't exist anymore. I think it should......obviously he does as well.......as does every INDIVIDUAL in this country. But the facts are that COLLECTIVELY America is about the biggest group of shallow, spineless idiots the world has seen in a long long time. And manipulating americans is comparable to herding sheep. The press and the government in this country love the kind of sh*t that happened yesterday in Virginia. It distracts citizens from many other more important issues.......and for the press it equals RATINGS.

We wonder why we are so hated around the world. Maybe the fact that we elect a bunch of shady upper class a-holes to go around the world making shady deals and supporting regimes that extract money from their own countries national resources..........but never invest back in their own countries infrastructure..........instead keeping the majority for the themselves while cutting our government in on a slice of the pie as well. If an oil country in the middle east instead opted to go to the best bid (China) and invested the money back in their own countries economy the US government WITH THE BACKING OF US CITIZENS would make up a bunch of bogus information about how that regime is connected to al-qaeda..........label them terrorists........and then support any faction that will attempt to overthrow that nationalist regime and cut us back in on the oil, hell we may go so far as to something completely irrational...........like............maybe invade their country on false pretenses? It has been known to happen . We the people already know of all sorts of VERY shady stuff our government has done..........but choose to put common sense aside and pretend that the government is trying to do the right thing (what we elect them to do). The US government has not done the right things nor will they try to. They will serve what is in their best 4 (or 8) year interests money wise. We also ignore all the contracts that have gone out for defense, war machines, and oil since we occupied Iraq. They have all gone to friends of the administration. They were never even up for bid. And then to top it all off the citizens have had almost all of their rights taken away. Among the most important being due process and warrants. The surveillance the NSA does is not to stop terrorism.......anyone who thinks that is a complete idiot............it's to silence homegrown opposition to the administrations policies. It is designed to silence any and all opposition to this administration........which should be impeached for about 100 different things. The sole purpose of this surveillance is to eliminate all threats to their web of lies and to scare US citiznes into submission. It seems to have worked awfully well I might add. And the "trustworthy" press won't report any of this to us until so long after the fact the citizens will be able to do nothing about it. Really makes a person wonder what incentive the press has to not tell the people of this country the truth. hmmmmmmmmm............

On to the next one............"defending freedom abroad" the only thing more pathetic than that phrase are the people that buy into it. How in the hell are we protecting freedom by fighting them over there.......YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T EVEN PROTECT YOUR OWN BORDER! The sheriff of Brownsville, TX (who knows more about this than practically anyone) issued a statement along with his resignation that stated it's not whether or not terrorists could get in.........it's about how long until the next attack........because they are already here. This is perhaps the biggest clue to our governments bullsh*t. And we ignore it everyday. If we were serious about protecting this country we would protect the border. When a person takes a good look at the fact they should see the rest of the cards go down also. Everything about this country is a lie. It should be the United States of Distraction. Because everything in our day-to-day lives is just that.......a distraction from the truth. Most people agree about things being messed up.........and are pissed about it.........but the moment American Idol or Dancing with the Stars comes on........then what? they are distracted. Due to our governments willingness to wage psychological war on its own people (through the press I might add)...........most citizens will not even challenge it.........let alone question it. Come on people! the man we think is the biggest threat to our daily lives used to work for our presidents daddy, THEY created this monster. I half jokingly think that the day this president leaves office.........this country becomes just a lil bit more safe.

But don't worry too much. As we all know this country is run by big oil. And as long as it is the citizens are just sittin ducks. When the oil runs out........and this will be within the next 10 years.......maybe even the next 5.........we're screwed. All because we elect people who have their buddies oil wells more on their minds than the long term problems you or I face. Whats worse is that if we don't get off oil within the next 5 years.......our own government (which will lie and blame it on something or someone else) will cut us off from our oh so precious oil. Because in the end of things.......they care much more about having oil for their tanks than they do about you having oil for your super duper SUV.

So if a person thinks me extreme.......ok. If a person doesn't agree with me.......fine by me. We haven't had our INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS taken from us just yet. But please ...... I beg you......please vote for whoever has the best plan for fuel and energy. Because those 2 and global warming are the biggest threats we face.........not terrorism. And who knows? maybe if we find an alternative fuel that we can mass produce within the next few years..........we might just have enough oil left over for all the dirt track race cars to keep on racing forever. There's my optimism JD wink

Come on Skeesiks........tell us what you think! You can't do any worse than I just did..............

PS...........I just occupied 5 min. of JD's workday. wink lol



Why are we so hated around the world? We have freedom. We are capitalist. Why are we capitalist? Because we need money to enjoy life to the fullest. Like racing. Do you think you could afford to race if you got paid $3.00 an hour like Russia. How about less in Mexico. We send back illegals that cross into the U.S. back to Mexico to try again. Do you know what they do to illegals from Guat. and other country's that cross their border to come to the U.S., they kill them. Thats why they don't get along. I know because I work with just about every nationality out there, including someone from Iraq and a couple of guys from Russia. Did you know the Saddam's son threw their Olympic soccer team in prison and tortured them because they lost. Does that sound like freedom over there? Do you know why the French don't like us, because of the war we had over there, but, if it wasn't for us they would be speaking German. Why do other country's hate us? Think about it, we have freedom and they don't. But they all want to come here and live. Why, to make $$$$$. If you think i'm wrong, ask an immigrant and see what they say. I haven't had any rights taken from me. I have the right to bear arms and I practice that right. Nobody told me I can't have a firearm. The only ones that can't have firearms are felons and I wouldn't want them to have them either. If the NSA was trying to keep people quiet, they would already be knocking at YOUR door for what you have posted here. If the press wanted ratings, they would tell us about the stuff that the government does. Maybe they don't know the whole story and don't want to throw false statements to the public. Hmm, sound familiar? We are NOT running out of oil. We are tapping more wells in the U.S. everyday. As far as global warming, that's a crock. Lot's of things put off co2, including where you get your steaks and hamburger meat from. Cows create a lot of co2, do you want to kill them off, too. There is one freedom I KNOW you still have and that is, IF DON'T LIKE IT, YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO LEAVE. Just like I have the right to my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, you have the right to voice your opinion. I'm done, and I approve this message. Bash away, you have the right. LONG LIVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THANK YOU TO THE TROOPS FOR ALLOWING ME THIS RIGHT TO MY OPINION AND THE FREEDOM TO RACE EVERY WEEKEND.


nonwing bill
April 18, 2007 at 11:07:56 PM
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Geez, it sounds like our wonderful Senator Inhoff is on this thread. LOL.

I love my country as much as the next person. But I still have the right to disagree with the policies of the most corrupt, inept and morally bankrupt administration in history.

For everyone who supports this occupation, I have one question: Do you remember the original justification of this military action? And if so, what did we accomplish the task we went for in the first place?



cheese21
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April 18, 2007 at 11:58:52 PM
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The dems voted for the war too, and they all did so on the same information that was handed down from our intelligence operatives. Has anyone ever thought that maybe the people in our gov't know a little bit more about this war and everything that is happening than we as average citizens do? Now I would like to say that we are in a scary situation right now, and I don't agree with everything that has happened with this administration. With that said I'm just really tired of everyone blaming everything on the President and VP. It's like people really believe that they are TRYING to ruin our county. Now I have to go, I have a pothole on my street that I would like to call the news and blame George W. Bush for.


 

nonwing bill
April 19, 2007 at 12:51:31 AM
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You're right Bobcat. Enough said.

Looks like y'all will get to racing this weekend for a change.




cheese21
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April 19, 2007 at 01:13:05 AM
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Sounds good to me. The good thing is it actually looks like we get to race this weekend!


 

OKCFan12
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April 19, 2007 at 04:15:32 AM
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This message was edited on April 19, 2007 at 04:36:36 AM by OKCFan12
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Posted By: cheese21 on April 18 2007 at 05:45:09 PM

So let me get this straight...Our administration right now is a big dark overlord society and everything is a conspiracy. Also everything they do is wrong. And from what I've read on here, if you talk bad about them you will be thrown in jail for life for no reason (since everyone on here has been). And every other countries' government is perfect, and they hate us for pure reasons, not just because their religious leaders tell them to kill every American/infidel that is around. Don't forget that our government is in shambles since we are in a depression and all right now with the gas prices being ridicules (see Jimmy Carter and Reagonomics). Give me a break, people talking about being persuaded by the media when they have been persuaded just as much by different sources. Our country is fine, the people fighting for our country are great, there hasn't been another foreign terrorist attack on us since 2001, and its NOT like they aren't trying to. It is because some stuff that the administration is doing is actually working (wow, no way).

And global warming, oh don't get me started on that. That is the biggest farce in the history of this planet. When your GEOLOGY PROFESSOR IN COLLEGE says that its not true, it's probably not true. He is one of the top geologist (geology is the study of the Earth) in the country and he doesn't agree with it. Every 10,000 years the world goes through a change in orbit, that change in orbit either brings an ice age or makes the Earth heat up. Right now the Earth is heating up. It's natural! Many many many natural things cause more CO2 than we do. 1 volcano puts out more than we do, weathered limestone puts out more than we do. The ocean also puts out more than we do. It is natural, no matter what we do it will not affect us. We will not run out of oil either. With the recent findings off shore and in other places the US would be fine by itself for a very very long time. Long enough to find an efficient source is alternative fuel. That's my rant. Smile




damn..........just got done going on a giant rant to Cheese21's post, and then saw what was posted below it. So screw it........I'll agree to disagree with you Cheese, and look forward to a good weekend of sprint car racing...........no sense in tainting the prelude with all this talk of politics.

Condolences to each and every family that have ever lost loved ones to any senseless crime, whether it be Iraq, NYC, VT, or any other.

We can only remind ourselves that instead of silently hoping for a better world, it is up to each of us to make this a better world.


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