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May 17, 2010 at
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I have sat and listened to people complain about who's fault the crash was,which is totally irrelevant What I want to know is where was the safety crew to attend to Schatz after such a violent crash? I can see about 2-3 guys just sort of standing around him and then helping him crawl out of the car, but they sure didn't look like safety workers.
After a crash that violent, there is no way he should have been allowed to just crawl out of the car until he had been checked over by safety workers, so where were they? Just curious.
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May 17, 2010 at
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Funny,,, I kinda thought the same thing... Nothing like Knoxville for sure.
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May 17, 2010 at
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Posted By: Ken#9 on May 17 2010 at 09:57:11 AM
Funny,,, I kinda thought the same thing... Nothing like Knoxville for sure.
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JMO. These guys know what they are in for when they race at certain tracks. If there is piss poor safety, and they still race, then what can you do? Just don't race there. In my part of the world, the Midwest Safety Team that travels with the IRA, again, in my opinion, are very, very good at what they do. These guys and gals are right on top of accidents, sometimes even before they are done wrecking. Maybe the clubs ought to stop racing at venues where safety comes second. JMO
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May 17, 2010 at
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Yeah,,, Knoxville's crew does a pretty awesome job also... I guess we are spoiled by what we have here and then you see something like what happened at Williams Grove. It still comes down to the WoO should have their own trained, equippped, traveling safety crew like the IRA.
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May 17, 2010 at
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They went to the 91 as he was still on his lid up at the wall.
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May 17, 2010 at
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Posted By: pittmanfan on May 17 2010 at 01:18:04 PM
They went to the 91 as he was still on his lid up at the wall.
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How many cars flipped, 4, 5? Midwest has maybe 3, 4 four wheelers to respond to any and all wrecks. I wasn't there, but it seems that more could have been done, you cannot assume the guy upside down is worse off than the guy that landed on his wheels, but that just had his whole front end torn off. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin............
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May 17, 2010 at
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You would think that the Outlaws (especially the drivers) would want a group of 6-8 emt's that would travel with them full-time, like the old CART safety team, which was one of the best. That group of emt's would know the drivers and if a driver got his bell rung, it would probably put them at ease to see a familiar face caring for them. Of course, NASCAR won't do it, because they don't want the cost, so that's probably the same reason the Outlaws won't do it, either.
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May 17, 2010 at
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Posted By: HDsmoke20 on May 17 2010 at 03:19:11 PM
You would think that the Outlaws (especially the drivers) would want a group of 6-8 emt's that would travel with them full-time, like the old CART safety team, which was one of the best. That group of emt's would know the drivers and if a driver got his bell rung, it would probably put them at ease to see a familiar face caring for them. Of course, NASCAR won't do it, because they don't want the cost, so that's probably the same reason the Outlaws won't do it, either.
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6-8 EMT's fulltime? On the road? You're kidding, right?
That's conservatively going to cost between $750k and $1M per year, not including start up costs for vehicles. equipment, and such. The IRL has a sponsored traveling group, so at least part of those costs are offset. Would you like to suggest a way for the WoO to fund it, since they cannot even find a title sponsor? Folks complain all of the time about how much it costs to attend a WoO show - can you imagine how much more it would cost to see a race if the WoO had to fund a traveling emergency crew?
Not that it's a bad idea - part of the reason for the IRL deal is that the drivers/EMT's/doctor's are all acquainted and familiar with one another. But it's just not cost feasible for the WoO. But most tracks need to do a better job in selecting, training, and equipping their safety crews.......
Chuck.....
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May 17, 2010 at
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WG needs to step it up on the safety aspect. pretty sure it was a couple of track officals who were at schatz's car.
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May 17, 2010 at
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Posted By: Knoxgasman on May 17 2010 at 04:09:56 PM
WG needs to step it up on the safety aspect. pretty sure it was a couple of track officals who were at schatz's car.
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If it was Knoxville, the Ambulance and 5 guys in yellow suits would have got to schatz WAY before Jason Meyers came rolling through there.
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May 17, 2010 at
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May 17, 2010 at
05:25:29 PM by hotlaps
When you watch the video a safety person (in yellow) is checking on Schatz within 10 sec from the time the cars stop flying around + checking with all the other drivers. He must have been talking to the safety people that were there.
Lets not get stuck on STUPID
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May 17, 2010 at
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Posted By: sprinter25 on May 17 2010 at 03:35:15 PM
6-8 EMT's fulltime? On the road? You're kidding, right?
That's conservatively going to cost between $750k and $1M per year, not including start up costs for vehicles. equipment, and such. The IRL has a sponsored traveling group, so at least part of those costs are offset. Would you like to suggest a way for the WoO to fund it, since they cannot even find a title sponsor? Folks complain all of the time about how much it costs to attend a WoO show - can you imagine how much more it would cost to see a race if the WoO had to fund a traveling emergency crew?
Not that it's a bad idea - part of the reason for the IRL deal is that the drivers/EMT's/doctor's are all acquainted and familiar with one another. But it's just not cost feasible for the WoO. But most tracks need to do a better job in selecting, training, and equipping their safety crews.......
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The safety cost wouldn't seem like a lot if, God forbid, a driver was injured and wasn't attended to properly or in a timely fashion because of an inadequate safety crew. How much did the Outlaws pay out to Wolfgang due, in part to, an inadequate safety crew? It took three drivers putting their own safety at risk to help Wolfie.
That said, part of the Outlaws agreeing to a sanction at any track should be certain standards for the safety crew.The mentality in racing (from the local tracks up to NASCAR or IndyCar) is that the injuries will always happen to someone else. It took the face of NASCAR being killed in a crash before NASCAR ever started to take safety seriously.
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May 17, 2010 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on May 17 2010 at 02:34:36 PM
How many cars flipped, 4, 5? Midwest has maybe 3, 4 four wheelers to respond to any and all wrecks. I wasn't there, but it seems that more could have been done, you cannot assume the guy upside down is worse off than the guy that landed on his wheels, but that just had his whole front end torn off. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin............
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Schatz, McMahan, Dewease and Wilt flipped. Montieth had significant contact and Wolfe was also involved in T3. Layton, Madsen and Hodnett were involved in a separate incident on the BS and Hafertepe and Sweet got hooked together after contact while avoiding the initial series of misfortunes.
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