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short1988
August 05, 2009 at 03:28:11 PM
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I came up with a system to rank which qualifying night was harder. Red 3 Points, Orange 2 Points, Yellow is 1. With my system Wednesday is the Harder Night

Wednesday   Thursday
6 Danny Lasoski 12L John Lambertz   9 Joey Saldana 1 Bronson Maeschen
14 Jason Meyers 70 Calvin Landis 11 Steve Kinser 4L Rev. Mark Amenda
15 Donny Schatz 14M Randy Martin   24 Terry McCarl B4 Eric Baldaccini
19 Craig Dollansky 17A Austin McCarl   R19 Jac Haudenschild 46 Ty Bartz
2w Johnny Herrera 55B Joey Moughan   20K Kraig Kinser 77 Mike Benson
83 Tim Kaeding 92v Matthew Reed   21 Brian Brown 17RB Ryan Bickett
41 Jason Johnson 57c Chris Schmelzle   18 Tony Bruce Jr. 27 Patrick Bourke
10s Sammy Swindell 49 Josh Schneiderman   22 Billy Alley 6x Trevor Lewis
1X Randy Hannagan 7 Dustin Selvage   51 Fred Rahmer 10a Ricky Logan
7s Jason Sides 9M Marlon Jones   1z Stevie Smith 4x Toni Lutar
83A Tim Shaffer 91 TBA   24T Tyler Walker 1PC Pete Crall
17 Daryn Pittman 4 Danny Smith   2B Dale Blaney 1xx Garry Lee Maier
71 Paul McMahan 51s Lee Sowell   30c Lance Dewease 7K Kaley Gharst
55 Kerry Madsen K9 John VanDenBerg   2L Ed Lynch Jr. D1 Jesse Giannetto
63 Chad Kemenah 2au Todd Wanless   22x Greg Hodnett 65 Jordan Goldesberry
2 Skip Jackson 56 Davey Heskin   4H Chad Meyer 22B Ben Gregg
7TW Brandon Wimmer 2K Kevin Ingle   33 Ricky Montgomery 12c Caleb Griffith
5W Lucas Wolfe 0 Jonathan Allard   69 Mike Moore 2T Travis Rilat
57 Shane Stewart 71R Ryan Anderson   20 Dennis Moore Jr. 81 Josh Higday
53 Jack Dover 17b Bill Balog   6N Greg Nikitenko 13J Jesse Hockett
47 Don Droud Jr. 13v Seth Brahmer   9N Wade Nygaard 6R Bill Rose
22N Brian Ellenberger 1au Garry Brazier   30 Brant OBanion 97 Dean Jacobs
39 Doug Esh 7KX Rob Chaney   10 Rager Phillips 12 Lynton Jeffrey
40 Clint Garner 92 Daron Clayton   7TAZ Tasker Phillips 14AJ Wayne Johnson
4WA Greg Hall 3c Cale Conley   4w Matt Wasmund 25 Brooke Tatnell
89 Cody Darrah 59 Erin Crocker   19 Bob Weuve 3K Scott Uttech
13 Mark Dobmeier     23W Scott Winters 17G Dusty Zomer
        86 TBA 
         
3 Red 9   3 Red 9
5 Orange 10   2 Orange 4
12 Yellow 12   12 Yellow 10
Total 31   Total 23




maxim71r
August 05, 2009 at 03:29:23 PM
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I think Wed. is much tougher!!!



TheProfessor5
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August 05, 2009 at 03:45:12 PM
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Posted By: short1988 on August 05 2009 at 03:28:11 PM

I came up with a system to rank which qualifying night was harder. Red 3 Points, Orange 2 Points, Yellow is 1. With my system Wednesday is the Harder Night

Wednesday   Thursday
6 Danny Lasoski 12L John Lambertz   9 Joey Saldana 1 Bronson Maeschen
14 Jason Meyers 70 Calvin Landis 11 Steve Kinser 4L Rev. Mark Amenda
15 Donny Schatz 14M Randy Martin   24 Terry McCarl B4 Eric Baldaccini
19 Craig Dollansky 17A Austin McCarl   R19 Jac Haudenschild 46 Ty Bartz
2w Johnny Herrera 55B Joey Moughan   20K Kraig Kinser 77 Mike Benson
83 Tim Kaeding 92v Matthew Reed   21 Brian Brown 17RB Ryan Bickett
41 Jason Johnson 57c Chris Schmelzle   18 Tony Bruce Jr. 27 Patrick Bourke
10s Sammy Swindell 49 Josh Schneiderman   22 Billy Alley 6x Trevor Lewis
1X Randy Hannagan 7 Dustin Selvage   51 Fred Rahmer 10a Ricky Logan
7s Jason Sides 9M Marlon Jones   1z Stevie Smith 4x Toni Lutar
83A Tim Shaffer 91 TBA   24T Tyler Walker 1PC Pete Crall
17 Daryn Pittman 4 Danny Smith   2B Dale Blaney 1xx Garry Lee Maier
71 Paul McMahan 51s Lee Sowell   30c Lance Dewease 7K Kaley Gharst
55 Kerry Madsen K9 John VanDenBerg   2L Ed Lynch Jr. D1 Jesse Giannetto
63 Chad Kemenah 2au Todd Wanless   22x Greg Hodnett 65 Jordan Goldesberry
2 Skip Jackson 56 Davey Heskin   4H Chad Meyer 22B Ben Gregg
7TW Brandon Wimmer 2K Kevin Ingle   33 Ricky Montgomery 12c Caleb Griffith
5W Lucas Wolfe 0 Jonathan Allard   69 Mike Moore 2T Travis Rilat
57 Shane Stewart 71R Ryan Anderson   20 Dennis Moore Jr. 81 Josh Higday
53 Jack Dover 17b Bill Balog   6N Greg Nikitenko 13J Jesse Hockett
47 Don Droud Jr. 13v Seth Brahmer   9N Wade Nygaard 6R Bill Rose
22N Brian Ellenberger 1au Garry Brazier   30 Brant OBanion 97 Dean Jacobs
39 Doug Esh 7KX Rob Chaney   10 Rager Phillips 12 Lynton Jeffrey
40 Clint Garner 92 Daron Clayton   7TAZ Tasker Phillips 14AJ Wayne Johnson
4WA Greg Hall 3c Cale Conley   4w Matt Wasmund 25 Brooke Tatnell
89 Cody Darrah 59 Erin Crocker   19 Bob Weuve 3K Scott Uttech
13 Mark Dobmeier     23W Scott Winters 17G Dusty Zomer
        86 TBA 
         
3 Red 9   3 Red 9
5 Orange 10   2 Orange 4
12 Yellow 12   12 Yellow 10
Total 31   Total 23



I would also consider Zomer a yellow. If Skip Jackson is yellow, then Zomer has to be! Zomer is as fast as Herrera every Saturday night. Bronson Maeschen typically times really well so he could make a case for a yellow as could Wayne Johnson. On the Wednesday side I would think Allard should be a yellow if Jackson is! Still Wednesday looks to be the tougher night.




Canucklehead
August 05, 2009 at 05:19:25 PM
Joined: 12/14/2004
Posts: 645
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Posted By: short1988 on August 05 2009 at 03:28:11 PM

I came up with a system to rank which qualifying night was harder. Red 3 Points, Orange 2 Points, Yellow is 1. With my system Wednesday is the Harder Night

Wednesday   Thursday
6 Danny Lasoski 12L John Lambertz   9 Joey Saldana 1 Bronson Maeschen
14 Jason Meyers 70 Calvin Landis 11 Steve Kinser 4L Rev. Mark Amenda
15 Donny Schatz 14M Randy Martin   24 Terry McCarl B4 Eric Baldaccini
19 Craig Dollansky 17A Austin McCarl   R19 Jac Haudenschild 46 Ty Bartz
2w Johnny Herrera 55B Joey Moughan   20K Kraig Kinser 77 Mike Benson
83 Tim Kaeding 92v Matthew Reed   21 Brian Brown 17RB Ryan Bickett
41 Jason Johnson 57c Chris Schmelzle   18 Tony Bruce Jr. 27 Patrick Bourke
10s Sammy Swindell 49 Josh Schneiderman   22 Billy Alley 6x Trevor Lewis
1X Randy Hannagan 7 Dustin Selvage   51 Fred Rahmer 10a Ricky Logan
7s Jason Sides 9M Marlon Jones   1z Stevie Smith 4x Toni Lutar
83A Tim Shaffer 91 TBA   24T Tyler Walker 1PC Pete Crall
17 Daryn Pittman 4 Danny Smith   2B Dale Blaney 1xx Garry Lee Maier
71 Paul McMahan 51s Lee Sowell   30c Lance Dewease 7K Kaley Gharst
55 Kerry Madsen K9 John VanDenBerg   2L Ed Lynch Jr. D1 Jesse Giannetto
63 Chad Kemenah 2au Todd Wanless   22x Greg Hodnett 65 Jordan Goldesberry
2 Skip Jackson 56 Davey Heskin   4H Chad Meyer 22B Ben Gregg
7TW Brandon Wimmer 2K Kevin Ingle   33 Ricky Montgomery 12c Caleb Griffith
5W Lucas Wolfe 0 Jonathan Allard   69 Mike Moore 2T Travis Rilat
57 Shane Stewart 71R Ryan Anderson   20 Dennis Moore Jr. 81 Josh Higday
53 Jack Dover 17b Bill Balog   6N Greg Nikitenko 13J Jesse Hockett
47 Don Droud Jr. 13v Seth Brahmer   9N Wade Nygaard 6R Bill Rose
22N Brian Ellenberger 1au Garry Brazier   30 Brant OBanion 97 Dean Jacobs
39 Doug Esh 7KX Rob Chaney   10 Rager Phillips 12 Lynton Jeffrey
40 Clint Garner 92 Daron Clayton   7TAZ Tasker Phillips 14AJ Wayne Johnson
4WA Greg Hall 3c Cale Conley   4w Matt Wasmund 25 Brooke Tatnell
89 Cody Darrah 59 Erin Crocker   19 Bob Weuve 3K Scott Uttech
13 Mark Dobmeier     23W Scott Winters 17G Dusty Zomer
        86 TBA 
         
3 Red 9   3 Red 9
5 Orange 10   2 Orange 4
12 Yellow 12   12 Yellow 10
Total 31   Total 23



Darrah and Dobmeier should be yellow. Wayne Johnson and Zomer should be yellow


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Bekemeyer Bullet
August 05, 2009 at 05:30:24 PM
Joined: 04/05/2008
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This message was edited on August 05, 2009 at 06:12:17 PM by Bekemeyer Bullet

I really think Jason Sides should be in the orange with the way he's been running. I don't see how you could put Dollansky in the orange compared to him by just going off the way they both have performed this year. Also Tyler Walker some people may not like him but he is always a threat at knoxville. I also think you should come up with a different color code for Donny Knoxville Schatz.



Jamie Klootwyk
August 05, 2009 at 07:41:13 PM
Joined: 09/14/2006
Posts: 487
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This message was edited on August 05, 2009 at 07:43:44 PM by Jamie Klootwyk

I think you very much underestimated a number of Thursday drivers. I agree with the three "reds" you have on both sides...but I strongly disagree with the "oranges" and you left a bunch of the top locals off of the "yellows".

If you are going to list Herrera, TK, Jason Johnson, and Sammy in orange, you have to list Brian Brown, Stevie Smith, Tyler Walker, and Wayne Johnson in orange. They have similar if not better success at Knoxville in the past few years.

I also like Dale Blaney on Thursday. He hasn't run Knoxville much lately but was always fast in here in the past and has been an outlaw killer lately. Hockett is also a wild card on Thursday.

You heavily under-estimate a number of Knoxville locals on both nights such as Maeschen, Zomer, Logan, Jeffrey, Gharst, Droud, Heskin, Garner, Dobmeier. Any of those guys and a couple others are capable of cranking off quick time and having a decent enough run in their Qualifying feature to lock into the A Saturday.

Lastly, besides Darrah, the best of Posseland all run Thursday...plus western PA's Lynch..

Wednesday is top-heavy....but without a doubt Thursday has the much better depth. Top to bottom, the tougher night will be in no doubt Thursday. I think you are all seeing the name Schatz on Wednesday and it is clouding your judgement.




short1988
August 05, 2009 at 08:28:05 PM
Joined: 05/31/2006
Posts: 234
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I tried not to be bias but it was near impossible, so some drivers may have not gotten ranked correctly because of that.



Jamie Klootwyk
August 05, 2009 at 08:38:52 PM
Joined: 09/14/2006
Posts: 487
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I like the system, but I agree that bias may cause a lot of variations below the top 6 drivers which I think you nailed.

 



raced24
August 05, 2009 at 08:58:26 PM
Joined: 12/07/2004
Posts: 330
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You left out Jack Dover also. he will be the surprise of this Nationals.





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