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Since this is a wing sprint car message board, I would say "Wings" makes 410 racing expensice.

Get rid of the wings and the costs would go down considerably and the racing excitement might

go up. Just a thought and maybe a bad one...lol! I do like wing racing, but just goin' to the races

track is expensive as a spectator.

Sincerely,

Larry Otani

The unit Davis Tech has on Traction Control is smaller than a small ceil phone. There is a plug in the cockpit. The driver can pull it out before he gets to the tech area or the scales. And he dont have to plug it in untill he gets on the track. He just slides it in his pocket. Its all in the module in the distributer.You cant tell by lookin at it ether...You can install it in 1 hour you just got to put out 5 grand to get it.You can send it in every year and they can download the updates in to the little bogger.I could not believe it was so small,you could slide it in your helmet to hide it.

You have to be fast to use it, it will give you 20 to 30% quicker reaction time on your tires braking lose. I have raced beside cars that have it and you can here it do somthing to the motor in the middle of the turn on dry slick.It works... Its so tech that i think most tracks dont know what to look for and how to find it. That would be your regular friday or saturday night track.And as hard as it is to get a good field of cars i think some promotors might not want to in force it because its one less car that they get money from. I wont say were but i know one track that has so many Traction Controls in one class it would put out over half the field.. On a 30 car field that would be 75000.00 dollars you took out of the car owners pocket they cant use anymore.

Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed 
it for a change.Its hard to get to the top and alot 
harder to stay there.

your paying for knowlege mostly. r&d costs mad loot. parts you can look up in a catalog and bye. if you know what your shopping for and work with a good machine shop you can get the cost down. i did some of my own rebuilds just save a buck. ala danny smith

leave a good name and a legacy behind. then die ;) and 
then cum back to life! now thats living baby! do a 
good dead and help your neighbor. dream as if you live 
forever and live as if you'll die today. always 
remember where you came from. ;)

$48,500 for a new 410? You guys are the most expensive 410 engine by far! No wonder no one is running your 410 stuff!!

In case you don't know.

re-spect

Well put New Parts......Wesmar 's state of the art race engines are run by many top teams...successfully I might add

Respect? On this message board? That is hilarious! Run by many top teams? What top 410 team runs them successfully? Heck, what top teams run them at all? No disrespect intended, just asking. If I read correctly, they may have Billy Alley. Any other top team running them?

Posted By: new-parts on April 22 2009 at 12:52:19 PM Because of the limits ~ 410 CID, 2 Valve Heads, Normal Aspiration and 1 Fuel Choice.

Ding, Ding, Ding!! We have our winner folks! If you open up the motor rules to allow larger displacement and different fuel delivery/aspiration combinations you would see fields increase in top level sprint car racing. I can guarantee I can piece together a 900hp open rules motor cheaper than that 410ci Wesmar motor. Guaranteed. When you dictate a certain ci rule and dictate the internals/aspiration, you create expensive spec racing. I say open them back up and watch the fields increase. I would build a stroker aluminum big block low RPM torque monster and say screw it to the high revving time bombs. Or how about a cast iron 602ci making 900hp at roughly 5,000rpm on carburation for around $15,000? The problem with 410ci motors cost is the limit of "410ci" it costs alot to squeeze a regulated cubic inch motor. Open the rules!

Cheers!

http://www.shafiroff.com/engines/632_bigdawg.asp

Cheers!

Another message board know it all.

FYI, Shaver gets $49,000 and I've heard of another builder getting $50,000. So how are we the most expensive?

So in order to be a good engine builder do we have to have a "top team" run our stuff to be qualified? The "little" guys that run our stuff their money spends just the same as a top team.

If our track record now a days isn't good enough for you, please rewind to 1982 when we started doing engines for a guy named Bobby Marshall in Texas. Starting in 1983 up until 2007 we have had at least one full time WoO traveler using our stuff. I am also proud of our company as we have had atleast one car in the Knoxville Nationals (410) final night A feature since 1982 as well, hopefully that will continue in 2009............ ha ha.

It's all good though, it's been really fun all these years!!

 

 

It would bring some excitement back into the game, and open the door for innovation. I can imagine the buzz in the stands during qualifying, like during the 60's at Ascot... Open Comp spells excitement, and that spells $, and more cars.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

While the cast iron 602 sounds nice, it would be brutal watching that car get going, slow down, and actually turn the corner.

Someone said earlier that there are $25K in parts for a 360 but $35K for a 410...where is the extra $10K in parts? Not making an argument, just asking because I've always wondered why the 360 - 410 price gap was so much.

Shaver (your partner?) get's $49,000? You guys are partners in crime. I thought Shaver didn't sell any WoO teams engines anymore except Schatz? If that is true who besides them is paying $49,000? Motor builders like you are the one's that have driven up the costs of motors. $38,500 for an ASCS 360 is a joke. What happened to cost effective racing? Henry, you hit it on the head. The smaller the cubic inch the more expensive it is going to get. ASCS engines are out of line already. Wait till Emmitt let's them run Aluminum blocks. Wesmar, "you heard of another builder" charging $50,000. Who? Thanks for telling me how good you were in the '80's. Who has paid $48,500 for one of your "bullets"?

The blocks for 410's are like 6k not sure how much 360's are. Also 410's can have titanium parts like valves and valves springs which are crazy expensive. Im not sure what else but it is not far off. I know don ott motor are only like a 8k difference between a 360 and a 410 which is very reasonable. Also ur paying for hp of course buying a motor with more hp will be more money. Its simple

The Aluminum blocks are only a couple grand more than what the Dart blocks that the 360 guys are running. Also, 360's run all the same titanium parts that the 410's run. 360's are "crazy expensive" too.

For ascs motors if im not mistaken u cant have titanium but im not sure. but i have to agree all the motors in sprint car racing are expensive except the 305's.

Bingo!

good question...ascs 360 runs restrictive 23 degree valve angle heads..410 heads are open-thats where alot of the cost is..and the ability to produce power .....and your right,that big block in a sprint car would be a sled..it's also a wet sump

the Chinese are starting to buy up all the "good steel" and it's becoming harder to get, thus the increase in $$$

Just keep on buying those Chinese chassis and parts so they can buy up more of the "good steel"