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November 08, 2008 at
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QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Brad Sweet, 9, Kahne-18.473; 2. Kevin Swindell, 10k, Rolfe-18.569; 3. Dustin Morgan, 93, M & M-18.715; 4. Tracy Hines, 21, Stewart-18.829; 5. Casey Shuman, 32x, Foster-18.883; 6. Jeremy Sherman, 77, Bryan-18.887; 7. Jerry Coons Jr., 69, Dynamics-18.959; 8. Tony Jones, 4x, Alexander-18.971; 9. Damion Gardner, 71, Leffler-18.988; 10. Brady Bacon, 99, Kahne-19.017; 11. Brett Burdette, 17B, Burdette-19.023; 12. Hunter Scheurenberg, 7x, Priestley-19.064; 13. Rickie Gaunt, 93J, Gardner-19.067; 14. Jesse Hockett, 2, McMillan-19.073; 15. Thomas Meseraull, 5, Baldwin-19.114; 16. Shane Cottle, 4, Contos-19.125; 17. Bud Kaeding, 29, BK-19.133; 18. Shane Hmiel, 21B, 2B-19.165; 19. Levi Jones, 20, Stewart-19.191; 20. Bill Rose, 66, Miller-19.195; 21. Bob Ream Jr., 8, BRAT-19.212; 22. Blake Miller, 93x, Gardner-19.213; 23. Mike Spencer, 50, Chaffin-19.227; 24. Cole Whitt, 67k, Kunz-19.268; 25. Nic Faas, 117, Faas-19.272; 26. Chad Boat, 30, Boat-19.289; 27. Bret Mellenberndt, 97, Mellenberndt-19.293; 28. Tyler Brown, 96, Gardner-19.298; 29. Brady Short, 36, Riggs-19.306; 30. Charles Davis Jr., 50az, Massey-19.309; 31. Dave Darland, 2B, 2B Racing-19.318; 32. Seth Wilson, 17x, Wilson-19.320; 33. Andrew Reinbold, 19x, Reinbold-19.344; 34. R.J. Johnson, 15, Martin-19.346; 35. Jeff Bland Jr., 10T, R & B-19.352; 36. Robert Ballou, 2a, Smiley-19.381; 37. Darren Hagen, 10, R & B-19.399; 38. David Cardey, 38, Crossno-19.402; 39. Josh Ford, 73, Ford-19.416; 40. Danny Sheridan, 18, Kittle-19.466; 41. Rick Ziehl, 20z, Ziehl-19.522; 42. Cole Carter, 7, Carter-19.531; 43. J.J. Yeley, 1H, Triple Crown-19.536; 44. Johnny Herrera, 45x, Herrera-19.538; 45. Chris Windom, 17, Windom-19.566; 46. Bobby Marcum, 85, Marcum-19.581; 47. Kyle Hirst, 3F, Finkenbinder-19.607; 48. Steve Sussex, 0, Price-19.649; 49. Nathan High, 12, Allen-19.730; 50. Ronnie Smith, 16F, Mach-2-19.736; 51. Cody Williams, 3, Jory-19.800; 52. J.T. Imperial, 1x, Imperial-19.854; 53. Gary Taylor, 5X, Eubanks-19.857; 54. Mike Leslie, 76, Montgomery-19.887; 55. Thomas Ogle, 5az, Turner-19.915; 56. Matt Mitchell, 87, Mitchell-19.962; 57. Chris Bonneau, 78, Bonneau-20.062; 58. Nadine Gardner, 16, Gardner-20.159; 59. Christian Stover, 83x, Van-Dike-20.160; 60. Casey Riggs, 37, Riggs-20.232; 61. Keith Williamson, 95, Williamson-20.725; 62. Daron Clayton, 83, Crossno-20.924; 63. Alan Ballard, 75, Stansberry-NT; 64. Shane Golobic, 57, Golobic-NT; 65. #67, Kunz-NT.
"C" MAIN:(8 laps) 1. Yeley, 2. Herrera, 3. Hirst, 4. High, 5. Sussex, 6. Smith, 7. Windom, 8. Williams, 9. Marcum, 10. Imperial, 11. Ballard, 12. Leslie, 13. Mitchell, 14. Golobic, 15. Riggs, 16. Taylor, 17. Bonneau, 18. Carter, 19. N.Gardner, 20. Stover, 21. Williamson, 22. Clayton. NT
FIRST HEAT: (10 laps) 1. Hagen, 2. Kaeding, 3. Wilson, 4. Sherman, 5. Sweet, 6. Mellenberndt, 7. Miller, 8. Burdette. 3:20.84
SECOND HEAT: (10 laps) 1. Swindell, 2. Coons, 3. Spencer, 4. Hmiel, 5. Reinbold, 6. Scheurenberg, 7. Brown, 8. Cardey. NT
THIRD HEAT: (10 laps) 1. Johnson, 2. L.Jones, 3. Whitt, 4. Hockett, 5. T.Jones, 6. Ford, 7. Morgan, 8. Short. 3:25.01
FOURTH HEAT: (10 laps) 1. Sheridan, 2. Hines, 3. Faas, 4. Davis, 5. Rose, 6. Meseraull, 7. Bland, 8. D.Gardner. 3:23.98
FIFTH HEAT: (10 laps) 1. Ziehl, 2. Darland, 3. Boat, 4. Cottle, 5. Ballou, 6. Ream, 7. Bacon, 8. Shuman. NT
SEMI: (12 laps) 1. Morgan, 2. Sweet, 3. Meseraull, 4. Shuman, 5. Bacon, 6. Rose, 7. Scheurenberg, 8. Miller, 9. Short, 10. Ballou, 11. Burdette, 12. Mellenberndt, 13. Yeley,14. Brown, 15. Hirst, 16. High, 17. Ford, 18. Smith, 19. Bland, 20. Ream, 21. Herrera, 22. Reinbold, 23. T.Jones, 24. Cardey. NT
FEATURE: (25 laps) 1. Kevin Swindell, 2. Jesse Hockett, 3. Levi Jones, 4. Shane Cottle, 5. Jerry Coons Jr., 6. Jeremy Sherman, 7. Bud Kaeding, 8. Tracy Hines, 9. Brad Sweet, 10. Mike Spencer, 11. Dave Darland, 12. Cole Whitt, 13. Shane Hmiel, 14. Darren Hagen, 15. Chad Boat, 16. Dustin Morgan, 17. Nic Faas, 18. Thomas Meseraull, 19. Casey Shuman, 20. Charles Davis Jr., 21. R.J. Johnson, 22. Brady Bacon, 23. Rick Ziehl, 24. Blake Miller, 25. Danny Sheridan, 26. Seth Wilson, 27. Cody Williams, 28. J.J. Yeley. 9:08.87
NOTE: N.Gardner flipped during the C Main. Clayton flipped during the C Main. Williamson flipped during the C Main. D.Gardner and Bland flipped during the fourth heat.
FEATURE LAP LEADERS: Laps 1-15 Hockett, Laps 16-25 Swindell.
NEW NATIONAL SPRINT CAR STANDINGS: 1-Coons-1,345; 2-Jones-1,262; 3-Whitt-1,156; 4-Hines-1,151; 5-Hagen-1,018; 6-Cottle-1,010; 7-Darland-1,008; 8-Sweet-984; 9-Bacon-933; 10-D.Gardner-931.
NEW LUCAS OIL USAC/CRA SPRINT CAR STANDINGS:1-Spencer-1,512; 2-Miller-1,440; 3-Sheridan-1,384; 4-T.Jones-1,147; 5-Brown-1,067; 6-Garrett Hansen-1,039; 7-Cardey-964; 8-Cory Kruseman-952; 9-Ford-840; 10-Ballard-627.
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November 08, 2008 at
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Much appreciated.
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November 08, 2008 at
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Where did Sweet start the feature???
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November 08, 2008 at
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It had to be way back there since he transfered from the 'B' main. I think I recall Klepper saying that the best those transfers could start in the 'A' main would be 22nd. He blew his fast time by not being in the top four in his heat.
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November 08, 2008 at
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Please explain the reward for quick time.... an 8th place stating spot in the Heat??? a front row start in the 'B" so you can start the feature 21st??? Someone Please Explain. What happened to starting the Feature 9th???
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November 08, 2008 at
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It's easy Twister, if Sweet would have transfered out of his heat, then he would have received a good starting spot for the 'A' main.
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November 08, 2008 at
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Posted By: RadRobinlb on November 08 2008 at 11:59:29 AM
It had to be way back there since he transfered from the 'B' main. I think I recall Klepper saying that the best those transfers could start in the 'A' main would be 22nd. He blew his fast time by not being in the top four in his heat.
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It seems to me that Mr.Klepper blew smoke up your tail pipe.It' a USAC sanctioned event,the worst he would have started would be 9th.
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November 08, 2008 at
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Posted By: Fuelman on November 08 2008 at 07:47:11 PM
It seems to me that Mr.Klepper blew smoke up your tail pipe.It' a USAC sanctioned event,the worst he would have started would be 9th.
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What row did Sweet start in last night for the 'A' main? I was always under the impression that, fast time or not, if you did not transfer out of your heat then you are regulated to the back of the pack; especially during events such as these. Please inform me, for I obviously do not know what the proper USAC procedures are.
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November 09, 2008 at
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Posted By: RadRobinlb on November 08 2008 at 09:39:00 PM
What row did Sweet start in last night for the 'A' main? I was always under the impression that, fast time or not, if you did not transfer out of your heat then you are regulated to the back of the pack; especially during events such as these. Please inform me, for I obviously do not know what the proper USAC procedures are.
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Just to clearify it more if a driver does not transfer from his heat he lines up by his quaulifying time in the semi-main.If he makes it out of the semi he gets his time back for the main.However,since he was quick time the highest spot he could start would be 9th.The 8 fastest cars that transfered out of the heats would invert and start ahead of him.Does this help any?
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November 09, 2008 at
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Posted By: Fuelman on November 09 2008 at 11:15:31 AM
Just to clearify it more if a driver does not transfer from his heat he lines up by his quaulifying time in the semi-main.If he makes it out of the semi he gets his time back for the main.However,since he was quick time the highest spot he could start would be 9th.The 8 fastest cars that transfered out of the heats would invert and start ahead of him.Does this help any?
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The only question is: Where did Sweet start the main on Friday night?
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November 09, 2008 at
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Posted By: RadRobinlb on November 09 2008 at 11:38:26 AM
The only question is: Where did Sweet start the main on Friday night?
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I missed the a-main Fri.night on USAC live and since Brad Sweet's starting position wasn't listed all I can say is that he should have started 9th.Please excuse my confusion during my hangover.
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November 09, 2008 at
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Sweet started 22nd in the A friday night, I was 5th quick and started 24th. Somewhere someone decided to penalize good qualifying efforts to the back of the heat, and if you dont transfer you go to the back of the A. That is the ONLY race all year this happens, and when I asked USAC they said it was a track decision, when I asked the track, of course they said it was a USAC decision, either way it is a pretty tough deal to invert 8 in the heats, and then not give a time back out of the B.
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Posted By: caseyshuman on November 09 2008 at 01:13:38 PM
Sweet started 22nd in the A friday night, I was 5th quick and started 24th. Somewhere someone decided to penalize good qualifying efforts to the back of the heat, and if you dont transfer you go to the back of the A. That is the ONLY race all year this happens, and when I asked USAC they said it was a track decision, when I asked the track, of course they said it was a USAC decision, either way it is a pretty tough deal to invert 8 in the heats, and then not give a time back out of the B.
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So Mr. Klepper didn't blow smoke up my tailpipe then.
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On Saturday night (night 2) Sweet (#9) started inside row 5 (9th starting spot). Hockett -Swindel started outside row 2 and 3, Sherman started inside row 4. My original post was done on Sunday, I didn't stop to think we were still talking about friday, sorry for the confusion.
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Posted By: Chris Holt on November 09 2008 at 01:51:40 PM
On Saturday night (night 2) Sweet (#9) started inside row 5 (9th starting spot). Hockett -Swindel started outside row 2 and 3, Sherman started inside row 4. My original post was done on Sunday, I didn't stop to think we were still talking about friday, sorry for the confusion.
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Was this last night, or the night before, Mr. Holt? Mr. Shuman just stated that Sweet started 22nd on Friday night. I am little confused as I am getting mixed messages.
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November 09, 2008 at
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Sweet started 22nd on friday night, he started 9th saturday night because he was 9th overall in points.
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November 09, 2008 at
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Thank you for the clarification Mr. Shuman.
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I'm glad someone read the question. I know where he should have started. Klepper just kept saying in the back. I was dumb-founded and thought that makes NO SENSE, I don't care who's decision it is/was. JUST STUPID.
Outlaws - QT starts 4th in heat. USAC Natl Sprint starts 6th. USAC/CRA 8th. If you're not going to get your time back for the A, you should at least get to start 9th.
I think Natl and CRA should invert 6 and if you don't transfer out of the heat, the best you can start would be 7th. That would be a compromise of both regions and then they would match when they run together. No, theses are the rules here and these are the rules there and these are the "It doesn't make ANY SENSE rules" at the Western World. Thanks Casey. And yes we were talking about Friday which was a points show just like every other race night, but with huge penalties for fast qualifiers not transefering from their heats.
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November 09, 2008 at
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I was aware of what night we were talking about, I was just a little confused as Mr. Holt posted that Sweet started the 'A' main 9th, he did not indicate which night. However, I was not aware that a fast qualifier, who did not transfer out of his heat, was entitled to a starting spot of 9th in the 'A' main, upon transferring from the 'B' main. I was just responding to your post based on what I heard Klepper tell the viewers of the internet feed. Now that I have a better understanding, I could most certainly understand your point. The discrepancy in rules from one track to the next, or one series to the next, should probably be addressed before next year's races.
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Posted By: caseyshuman on November 09 2008 at 01:13:38 PM
Sweet started 22nd in the A friday night, I was 5th quick and started 24th. Somewhere someone decided to penalize good qualifying efforts to the back of the heat, and if you dont transfer you go to the back of the A. That is the ONLY race all year this happens, and when I asked USAC they said it was a track decision, when I asked the track, of course they said it was a USAC decision, either way it is a pretty tough deal to invert 8 in the heats, and then not give a time back out of the B.
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Casey,not to beat a dead horse but I was just wondering did you and Sweet staged your cars too late?That's the only reason I can think of for being put at the rear of the field.Of course USAC should have told you that when you asked.Anyway I'll see you the next time you are at the PAS.
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