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wow-------that school bus pic really brings back some bad memory's---now im going to start having nightmares again

Robert Bond    San Jose Ca

Hey Hawk, there is no competition for the W of O's, not now nor has there ever been. Fly by nights using an ace card called Steve have tried and failed and there is likely no change in the near future either.

Hey BRR, whoever tours under the name W of O's will continue to pound your over-rated locals at home and on the rare occasions a roadmap gets them off the porch, some things never change here either.

All time Williams Grove W of O feature winners, Steve 37, Mark 18, Sammy 14, Schatz 9 and that's the only track the Posse has EVER been competitive at. That is if competitive is losing almost 80% of the time at HOME, lol. Deal with it and move on, Take It Easy....

And Mikey knocks another one out of the park!!! LOL

Mike - The real competition for the WoO is in the accounting office......over $56,000,000 in debt and rising daily and not sign of ever being able to pay it off. All of their numbers were down considerably (except for their rising debt) for 2006, so you can not tell me that the NST hasn't hit them where it hurts. I now see where they're going to try to co-promote races for 2007, that should be funny to watch. But hey, what's another few million while you're lining your pockets?

As far as the WoO and PA goes, you have missed the point on that for years. Fact is, the PA Posse is the only local group to consistantly beat the WoO. Even the WoO drivers have admitted it. Why can't you?

PA drivers have come to Knoxville and beat the regulars, go to your statistician and find out the last time a Knoxville local has even ventured to PA, let alone win.

Member of this message board since 1997

Hey Hawker, if the debt at DIRT scares you that bad, I think you should see the debt at Newton, that will put you in a straight jacket in a heart beat!

I am very happy that you are so knowledgeable on the subject of debt load, your industry (aeroplanes) have amopunted to some of the largest bankrupcies in history!.

I don't know what some people south of Iowa put in that funny little paper deal they smoke, but sometimes the brain looks like it gets turned topsie turvey .

Save your butt, get a colon screening TODAY

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Aeroplanes???????? What are you, British now???? LOL

You're right Duane, the airlines HAVE had some major bankrupcies. Knowing that makes me raise an eyebrow to DIRT when they continue to have spending out of control while their income keeps dropping. Sounds alot like Eastern Airlines to me...There WILL come a day when their debt matures...

Rusty Wallace is a hell of a business man, he wouldn't sink that money into something that is going to lose money. A few NAPCAR Busch races will cut into their debt in a big way. Another thing, he has something to show for his $$$, not just a name.

Member of this message board since 1997

comic strip of the week: why does MSPN cite wins by NST DRIVERS to perpetuate his miserable attacks on POSSE DRIVERS?

answer: the WoO can't get out of the hole they have dug for themselves with the current line up, and everybody knows it! the WoO record against POSSE has been LESS than 50% this century, so go back in your hole and sleep off that hang over.

Co-Santioned Events? i thought the whole reason the WoO held their drivers captive within the plantation was to protect the value of the sanctioning fee...NOW the "premier sanctioning body" of 410 racing looks for sanctioning partners. is this a sign of strength or weakness of the name brand?

can DIRT survive if they duplicate the financial reality of 2006?

who signs on as a series sponsor with no MARQUIS NAMES?

cubic, i thought you had it on the ball until this recent round of blind support.

i know we can't expect MSPN to give a reasonable answer about "financial realities"...but the comedy does come in handy.

as The Eagles would say: "take another shot of courage...wonder why the right words never come...you just get numb"

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

To whoever it concerns (BRR, Hawker, etc...)

Hey, I'm not exactly in love with Dirt MotorSport's finances or mission statement either, but they've pretty much stuck to their guns since day one when they originally outbid Barry Graham/Richard Petty for the World of Outlaws back in the fall of 2003. They are trying to market all of dirt track racing together to mainstream America. They are trying to garner series sponsorship, merchandising, and television/media rights on a national scope. Will dirt track racing one day be worth as much as, oh say, ONE Cup team? (~$20m/yr in corporate sponsorship and probably another ~$20m/yr in merchandising?) Who knows, but they're trying. The World of Outlaws has the best show in town. They have superior marketing capabilities. They are trying to grow local racing by working with our local promoters and race teams. Why can't you all just let them go bankrupt in peace since you've been so sure it's going to happen tomorrow for the past three years...lol? If we've learned nothing else over the last season, if and when it happens someone WILL be waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces. Until it does however Dirt MotorSports may just be the biggest SPONSOR that dirt track racing may ever see again in our lifetimes.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

While I'd say it's really not worth it ..... .I will say:

$56mm in accumulated deficit is NOT DEBT.

From the balance sheet they have $4.9mm in current liabilities (including points funds accrual) and $5.5mm in current cash, prepaid expenses, etc....

From the income statement they show $12.2mm revenues vs $10.7mm the previous period and operating losses of $10mm vs $12mm the previous period.

How does that compute to DOWN CONSIDERABLY for 2006?

Beats me but ....

No one related to any of the teams gives a rats about any of this unless the points fund enevelopes were empty. Hell they still ran with Ted when he gave them empty ones. Bottom line is they'll still race anytime / anywhere that a promoter will put up cash.

Why should we care about anything else?

CubScoutDater.................... Is that the best you can do ? Eye chart K a k ?

28, I'll never be able to keep up with your mental prowess. At least I can find some solace in the fact that I know my own limitations I guess. I do find it little odd however that Twenty-eight is also the common name for the Australian Ringneck Parrot which seems to go hand in hand with your kindergarten variety Tourettes Syndrome. Keep kissing Kinser's ass the whole way right up to the bitter end... you've got about a week left you putz.

By the way...Maybe Lasoski should have raced ASCS this year instead...lol?

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Are you ignorant and blind ? Already told you I am NOT a Kinser fan nor anti WoO. You have no valuable argument with me or most of the other posters with an open mind. I am for all racing !
If it was up to your way of thinking we would only have one store to shop from, one place to eat,
and all drive the same car. A real life includes choices. You are the poster child for everything that is wrong with closed minded head up their a$$ that are unable to breath fresh air or see there is more to life than your limited brain use. I find it hard to believe you even know 1/10 of your limitations. Even though I have never met you we all get to see them on a daily basis.

I am flattered you googled my name and did some research and used your spell check. You should instead use your spare time to realize there are atleast three sides to every story. Yours (closed-minded look that one up ) theirs, and the truth.

Wal-Mart, Subway and a 1967 Impala

Those can be all the things we have when Cubcadet rules the world.

He thinks we all love Kinser cause we support the general goal of NST. I support the general goal NST had as in they wanted to go do something else cause they didn't like DIRT. I know I have quit a job or two to go work someplace else cause I didn't like who i was working for.

I guess when I quit McCorkle Hardware and started working for Menards a few years later it made me a John Menard a$$ kisser too.

I love you people. You have what you think and I will stick with respecting the NST guys for going to do what they felt was right. I am sure most of them thought that the fans would like what they were doing. I mean they did have to listen to all the fans bit** everyday about DIRT buying WoO. Now you all turn into DIRT a$$ kissers. I bet those drivers feel betrayed as well.

People were talking that the NST has no loyalty to WoO...but it was the fans who have no loyalty after turning on them for doing something they figured would be supported by the fans after a few years of Boundless/DIRT being the devil to the sport, as the fans said.

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This whole thread is about 99% anti-WoO. Excuse me for being one of the few that actually try to take their side while Kinser ass kissers like you can only come up with "PubicDollHairs" or "CubScoutDater"...lol. If you truly wanted two series than you should have tried to talk a few of your buddies into actually attending an NST race instead of just running your mouth all year putz. The fans have spoken. They don't want two series. They don't want the NST. You can argue about a lot of things but you can't argue with the race fans. Even Kinser and Lasoski have said themselves this year. Hey hey goodbye NST, but by all means keep up with the playground banter... it becomes you.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Jackhole, besides the fact that I've disliked the premise of the NSL from their INITIAL press conference at Dover where someone gave the "F-1 of dirt track racing" speech... Kinser and company have made their own bed. They knew they had to act unanimously and even said so. Instead Barry Graham said when push came to shove the veterans like Kinser didn't like being told what to do by the others so they went their separate ways. They were semi doomed the day they started fighting all of our premier promoters on the bigger issues in the sport... They were totally doomed when they split the sport in two. Splits don’t work, we’ve seen it over and over again in all types of sport. They've been nothing but their own worst enemies this past year. They made their bed and they're lying in it.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

src - $56 mil is not debt, until the people pumping cash into the black hole want to cash in... Yes, revenue is up.......but look closely. Was it from the WoO, UMP or any other of their sanctions? Nope! And the fact remains that they have LOST $18 mil this year (so far). If things look so good, why not go out and buy a few hundred shares?

Cubesteak - You've been saying "about a week" for about 48 weeks now. What gives??? I am not anti-WoO.....but rather anti-DIRT. BTW, I went to both a WoO race AND a NST race.....what's your point? Also, when you say "they started fighting all of our premier promoters on the bigger issues in the sport" What in the hell are you talking about there and where do you dream this stuff up? Lay off the pipe dude...

Member of this message board since 1997

Hawker, I see now even you have lapsed into kindergarten name calling out of desperation just like your World of Outlaws is bankrupt plea you have posted all over the web right now, so I'm calling uncle, I've had enough...lol. No one is "buy, buy, buy"-ing your BS anyway. They have millions more in the bank than the NST, and better infrastructure in place than any other time in the history of the Outlaws. We'll see how each series makes out over the next couple of weeks. After listening to Jason Meyers' interview on the Dirt Track Channel I'm starting to hope maybe he doesn't come back into the fold anyway. I hope asphalt racing works out for him instead. I believe in the seminar he gave on the main key to a race team is gaining and appeasing sponsors and the great lengths that they go... I just differ from his opinion that is "real" grassroots racing as he claims the NST stands for and the World of Outlaws does not, even though WoO is investing a ton of money working with our promoters via the Unified Sprint Car Summit. Not only do I think the NST doesn't stand for grassroots racing, I believe they have forgotten what it is. Best of luck to the "F-1 of dirt track racing".

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Hawker,

You (and a few others) continue to say they are $56mm in debt, but now say they aren't? Any of the people pumping cash into the black hole know they can't get it out....... so how do you think they are going to bring it down.

Again, I really don't care one way or the other, never have.

Support the promoters at races you are interested in watching, leave the rest to the number dummies.