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ricci49
September 27, 2008 at 09:53:24 AM
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Thursday night will be fun



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I am really suprised that the dimwits haven't figured out yet that Bush is NOT running for President, so why should they worry about Palin if their team is so strong.

We are now reaping the crop of 40 years of Demcratic controlled congress

 


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Duane, you saw the clip, how embarassing. You and your country don't deserve an unqualified bimbo of such proportion, seriously. Don't discount the position either, Cheney bullied George into most of his dumb 'hawk' decisions and look at what that cost ya'. She is the single greatest farce in a long history of such in US politics and you'd have to be an absolute moron not to admit that no matter what your party affiliation. In sprint car terms she is a 305 starting in the 12th row with Schatz on the pole and that may be too generous an analogy. Take It Easy.....




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Duane, you saw the clip, how embarassing. You and your country don't deserve an unqualified bimbo of such proportion, seriously. Don't discount the position either, Cheney bullied George into most of his dumb 'hawk' decisions and look at what that cost ya'. She is the single greatest farce in a long history of such in US politics and you'd have to be an absolute moron not to admit that no matter what your party affiliation. In sprint car terms she is a 305 starting in the 12th row with Schatz on the pole and that may be too generous an analogy. Take It Easy.....



Hell I dont even think she qualifies as a hornet 4 cylinder or factory stocker. This broad is clueless... party politics aside, you would have to have your head up your out spout to even think about voting for McSame and Palin. What a disgrace to intelligent citizens of this nation that this is what is presented as presidential quality.... I just puked.
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This message was edited on September 27, 2008 at 04:33:40 PM by BIGFISH
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Posted By: PowerSlave on September 21 2008 at 09:46:35 PM

About the same time pictures of you and Duane in your KKK gear get leaked out on the net.



Oh man! That was so good and so right on. Yep, those boy's are what we're looking for after this bailout, transparency..LOL

Honestly, tell me how how could anyone of you guys who say they care about this country put that women in a position to be the president of our county. You would have to be out of you're mind and have some kind of mental block or deficiency of some kind..Now that I think about it you do already, you voted for bush a second time and defend McCain who went along with him on most everything. He's not a Maverick, he's just confused..LOL If McCain actually put this county first then tell me how he could or would pick a women like that to be the V.P.?

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Posted By: PowerSlave on September 21 2008 at 09:06:01 PM

Ok, that's fine. Go beyond the visual and any other of the fluff stuff and tell me why. Personally, I don't care if a candidate looks they're the result of a union between a sasquatch and a baboon. If I agree with them and their policies I'll vote for them.



The first lady is supposed to have some compassion. and integerty. Does that look like a rag or what.




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This message was edited on September 27, 2008 at 08:36:39 PM by BigRightRear

here you go BIGFISH - flop around on the deck with this one and DO let us know where you stand on Acorn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHancIezQA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OIqebUCawo

Google "Community Reinvesment Act" and then "Acorn Indictments" when you have about an hour to peel back the bullshit on this $700 billion plan the democrats are pounding their chests about!


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Palin makes 'ol Dan Quayle look like a Rhodes Scholar. No worry folks. The USS McCain is sinking fast.
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Palin makes 'ol Dan Quayle look like a Rhodes Scholar. No worry folks. The USS McCain is sinking fast.


looks like your racing political poll has sure backfired in your face Pat.

Your Socialistic, anti white person, racisist pig might win, but you have more to lose in that case than I do.

I admit that Bush is a jerk, but Nobama is sure not the answer.

7 more days give or take and Biden will be gone and Hillary will be on the ticket, and you know the short lifespan of Hillaries political rivals.

http://www.realchange.org/hillary.htm

 


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looks like your racing political poll has sure backfired in your face Pat.

Your Socialistic, anti white person, racisist pig might win, but you have more to lose in that case than I do.

I admit that Bush is a jerk, but Nobama is sure not the answer.

7 more days give or take and Biden will be gone and Hillary will be on the ticket, and you know the short lifespan of Hillaries political rivals.

http://www.realchange.org/hillary.htm

 



The poll in this site just reaffirmed what I already knew. That most race fans are uneducated when it comes to politics. Just look at the difference in the poll results from this forum and every national pool out there. So it did not backfire at all.

So you're saying that Obama is "anti white person"? Can you please show me some credible proof? And PLEASE tell me in your own words (not a cut & paste) exactly what I have to lose.

Bush has presided over the worst terrorist attack and the worst financial disaster in the history of the United States, and you voted for him BOTH times, so I don't think I will be taking your word on who is capable of running this country anytime soon. Your track record isn't looking so good.

Biden isn't going anywhere. That is only wishful thinking on the wingnuts part, because McCain is sinking FAST in the polls and he will be down by double digits after Palin gets taken to school on Thursday. It is sad that the best that the neocons could come up with was McCain, Romney, Huckabe and the cross dresser Giuliani. The Republicans have become the Democrats of the 70's, because they know that their political future is over by staying so far right. It must suck to be a "Reagan Republican" these days.


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The poll in this site just reaffirmed what I already knew. That most race fans are uneducated when it comes to politics. Just look at the difference in the poll results from this forum and every national pool out there. So it did not backfire at all.

So you're saying that Obama is "anti white person"? Can you please show me some credible proof? And PLEASE tell me in your own words (not a cut & paste) exactly what I have to lose.

Bush has presided over the worst terrorist attack and the worst financial disaster in the history of the United States, and you voted for him BOTH times, so I don't think I will be taking your word on who is capable of running this country anytime soon. Your track record isn't looking so good.

Biden isn't going anywhere. That is only wishful thinking on the wingnuts part, because McCain is sinking FAST in the polls and he will be down by double digits after Palin gets taken to school on Thursday. It is sad that the best that the neocons could come up with was McCain, Romney, Huckabe and the cross dresser Giuliani. The Republicans have become the Democrats of the 70's, because they know that their political future is over by staying so far right. It must suck to be a "Reagan Republican" these days.



when asking for specifics about Nobuma's anti white stance, I assume you have not seen the replays of his long time "spirital advisor" and associates sermons.

I have a hunch that you will get a chance to hear more about his stand in the coming weeks, similar to the lies told about your parties last candidate.

I assume you think Nobuma has been a leader even though he failed to take a stance in the Illinois legislature so many times by simply voting present.

What does Bush have to do with anything in this election, I am afraid you haven't received the news yet, the ass-clown ain't running for office this year/

I assume you never saw Willie Clinton on TV the other night sort of admitting that the current housing deal was sort of a result of a bill he signed.

I assume that Bill Clinton did the right thing by handing this Country a terrorist that he had available to him (Bin Laden) but chose to let be alive.

I am shocked that 60% of the sprint car voters are uneducated, but a lot like the people in PA being angry and sitting around with their Bibles and guns, and the San Francisco people represent America better.

Like I have said before, the only Poll that is valid is the one in November, I can't really think the whole Country is make of dumb people.

Trust me, Hillary will be on the ticket before it is over, and remember, her :friends seem to have a shorter lifespan than average.

Do you actually think in a country approaching 300 million people that a President can have time or resources to stop a group a people willing to commit suicide to further their cause?

I must also think that your candidate has poor judgement in his choice of friends such as Bill Ayers, who thought that 9-11 needed even a bigger bang.

Pat, I like a lot of your dreams, but is your current candidate the best you could choke up?

I assume that you support the destruction of the capitol and Pentagon such as Nobumas buddy and business associate.


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"I can't really think the whole Country is make of dumb people."

Gee... why would you think that? wink




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Protesters hold signs at a Hold Palin Accountable rally organized ...

Protesters hold signs at a Hold Palin Accountable rally organized by Alaskans For Truth, in Anchorage, Alaska Saturday, Sept. 27, 2008. Hundreds of people showed up to demand Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Sen. John McCain's GOP running mate, uphold her promise to cooperate with the state Legislature's investigation into her firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

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They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


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Sarah Palin Gets Protection From Witches.

Not only can she see Russia from her house but she can see witches too! Sarah makes her appearance around the 7 minute mark.

 



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hey mspn, if this country is soooo pathetic, why did you have to come here to leech money at the carnival? you should move to nyc or s.f. , you'd fit right in! lol, must suck to be you.




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when asking for specifics about Nobuma's anti white stance, I assume you have not seen the replays of his long time "spirital advisor" and associates sermons.

Okay, you've posted something about his so called "spitirual advisor", how about a fact to support your claim against Obama?

I have a hunch that you will get a chance to hear more about his stand in the coming weeks, similar to the lies told about your parties last candidate.

Speaking of lies, I would like to hear your opinion of this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c there's enough lies there to keep you busy for a while. But I doubt that I will hear some kind of serious response...

I assume you think Nobuma has been a leader even though he failed to take a stance in the Illinois legislature so many times by simply voting present.

He has every bit as much experience as McCain and has shown to be on the right side of every issue. McCain on the other hand is Bush II.

What does Bush have to do with anything in this election, I am afraid you haven't received the news yet, the ass-clown ain't running for office this year/

Bush has everything to do with this election when your canidate has voted in lockstep 95% of the time. If the "Ass Clown" as you call him made a sharp turn, it would break McCain's neck, because he has his head so far up that "Ass Clown's" ass.

I assume you never saw Willie Clinton on TV the other night sort of admitting that the current housing deal was sort of a result of a bill he signed.

Sure, Clinton's bill was what caused this mess, but have you looked at the vote on that bill in the house and senate? I highly doubt it. But while you brought it up, many people saw it coming several years ago, why didn't the "Ass Clown" that you voted for, do anything about it? Also, the bill alone is not the only cause of this mess.

I assume that Bill Clinton did the right thing by handing this Country a terrorist that he had available to him (Bin Laden) but chose to let be alive.

Please show me some concrete proof that Clinto had Bin Forgotten "available to him". A copy and paste from Fox News is not a credible source either.... But, since you brought it up, why did Bush (with the support of McCain) go to Iraq instead of Afghanistan (where Bin Forgotten REALLY WAS)???

I am shocked that 60% of the sprint car voters are uneducated, but a lot like the people in PA being angry and sitting around with their Bibles and guns, and the San Francisco people represent America better.

LMAO.........What can I say, I'm speechless...

Like I have said before, the only Poll that is valid is the one in November, I can't really think the whole Country is make of dumb people.

Get ready to see the biggest landslide in modern times.

Trust me, Hillary will be on the ticket before it is over, and remember, her :friends seem to have a shorter lifespan than average.

Again, please supply some credible proof on your claims.

Do you actually think in a country approaching 300 million people that a President can have time or resources to stop a group a people willing to commit suicide to further their cause?

Yes, it does. Homeland security starts at home, not Iraq. This country has taken it's eye off the ball.

I must also think that your candidate has poor judgement in his choice of friends such as Bill Ayers, who thought that 9-11 needed even a bigger bang.

Again, for your outragous claim, please supply a credible source that they were more than just an aquaintance. I think that you are starting to believe the wingnut emails being spamed.

Pat, I like a lot of your dreams, but is your current candidate the best you could choke up?

Like I said, get ready for the landslide. It's not a dream.

I assume that you support the destruction of the capitol and Pentagon such as Nobumas buddy and business associate.

Again, it take more than radical accusations to be taken serious. I can dream up all kinds of lies too, but I don't.

I know it is hard for some people to believe that this nation is fed up with the Republican Party. You guys should have seen it coming after the 2006 landslides. Phase II will be here soon and once again we will see the Democratic party mop up this clusterf**k that the Republicans have once again created.


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Greatest country on the planet, that's why I chose to live in it for almost two decades. One of the few negatives was the moronic Posse fan of which you are one. Luckily, most of them are some of the best fans in the business and many of them I consider friends. Take It Easy....



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Comedians can't even make this stuff up!




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Comedians can't even make this stuff up!



She's a freaking dingbat. I find it hilarious that people like Duane, who voted for Bush TWICE and now call him a "jerk" and an "idiot", but they're ready to 1- Vote for someone who was in total support with Bush 95% of the time and 2- Vote for a 72 year old man who could keel over at anytime and leave us with a freaking bimbo that makes Bush look like an alright guy. BTW, you guys are now name calling on Bush and distancing yourself as much as possible from him. But we tried to tell you what you were getting 8 years ago. You didn't listen then, and your not listening now.......
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i find it hilarious that liberal skunks ignore the fact theat Obama worked for ACORN in the trenches and paved the way for voter fraud all across the country...carrying out the dirty work in court...and on the streets.

Why Obama Will Lose

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=







Inside Obama’s Acorn
By their fruits ye shall know them.

By Stanley Kurtz

What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. Acorn is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because Acorn works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. Acorn likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.

This is a story we’ve largely missed. While Obama’s Acorn connection has not gone entirely unreported, its depth, extent, and significance have been poorly understood. Typically, media background pieces note that, on behalf of Acorn, Obama and a team of Chicago attorneys won a 1995 suit forcing the state of Illinois to implement the federal “motor-voter” bill. In fact, Obama’s Acorn connection is far more extensive. In the few stories where Obama’s role as an Acorn “leadership trainer” is noted, or his seats on the boards of foundations that may have supported Acorn are discussed, there is little follow-up. Even these more extensive reports miss many aspects of Obama’s ties to Acorn.

An Anti-Capitalism Agenda
To understand the nature and extent of Acorn’s radicalism, an excellent place to begin is Sol Stern’s 2003 City Journal article, “ACORN’s Nutty Regime for Cities.” (For a shorter but helpful piece, try Steven Malanga’s “Acorn Squash.”)

Sol Stern explains that Acorn is the key modern successor of the radical 1960’s “New Left,” with a “1960’s-bred agenda of anti-capitalism” to match. Acorn, says Stern, grew out of “one of the New Left’s silliest and most destructive groups, the National Welfare Rights Organization.” In the 1960’s, NWRO launched a campaign of sit-ins and disruptions at welfare offices. The goal was to remove eligibility restrictions, and thus effectively flood welfare rolls with so many clients that the system would burst. The theory, explains Stern, was that an impossibly overburdened welfare system would force “a radical reconstruction of America’s unjust capitalist economy.” Instead of a socialist utopia, however, we got the culture of dependency and family breakdown that ate away at America’s inner cities — until welfare reform began to turn the tide.

While Acorn holds to NWRO’s radical economic framework and its confrontational 1960’s-style tactics, the targets and strategy have changed. Acorn prefers to fly under the national radar, organizing locally in liberal urban areas — where, Stern observes, local legislators and reporters are often “slow to grasp how radical Acorn’s positions really are.” Acorn’s new goals are municipal “living wage” laws targeting “big-box” stores like Wal-Mart, rolling back welfare reform, and regulating banks — efforts styled as combating “predatory lending.” Unfortunately, instead of helping workers, Acorn’s living-wage campaigns drive businesses out of the very neighborhoods where jobs are needed most. Acorn’s opposition to welfare reform only threatens to worsen the self-reinforcing cycle of urban poverty and family breakdown. Perhaps most mischievously, says Stern, Acorn uses banking regulations to pressure financial institutions into massive “donations” that it uses to finance supposedly non-partisan voter turn-out drives.

According to Stern, Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Fully aware of its living-wage campaign’s tendency to drive businesses out of cities, Acorn hopes to force companies that want to move to obtain “exit visas.” “How much longer before Acorn calls for exit visas for wealthy or middle-class individuals before they can leave a city?” asks Stern, adding, “This is the road to serfdom indeed.”

In Your Face
Acorn’s tactics are famously “in your face.” Just think of Code Pink’s well-known operations (threatening to occupy congressional offices, interrupting the testimony of General David Petraeus) and you’ll get the idea. Acorn protesters have disrupted Federal Reserve hearings, but mostly deploy their aggressive tactics locally. Chicago is home to one of its strongest chapters, and Acorn has burst into a closed city council meeting there. Acorn protestors in Baltimore disrupted a bankers’ dinner and sent four busloads of profanity-screaming protestors against the mayor’s home, terrifying his wife and kids. Even a Baltimore city council member who generally supports Acorn said their intimidation tactics had crossed the line.

Acorn, however, defiantly touts its confrontational tactics. While Stern himself notes this, the point is driven home sharper still in an Acorn-friendly reply to Stern entitled “Enraging the Right.” Written by academic/activists John Atlas and Peter Dreier, the reply’s avowed intent is to convince Acorn-friendly politicians, journalists, and funders not to desert the organization in the wake of Stern’s powerful critique. The stunning thing about this supposed rebuttal is that it confirms nearly everything Stern says. Do Atlas and Dreier object to Stern’s characterizations of Acorn’s radical plans — even his slippery-slope warnings about Acorn’s designs on basic freedom of movement? Nope. “Stern accurately outlines Acorn’s agenda,” they say.

Do Atlas and Dreier dismiss Stern’s catalogue of Acorn’s disruptive and intentionally intimidating tactics as a set of regrettable exceptions to Acorn’s rule of civility? Not a chance. Atlas and Dreier are at pains to point out that intimidation works. They proudly reel off the increased memberships that follow in the wake of high-profile disruptions, and clearly imply that the same public officials who object most vociferously to intimidation are the ones most likely to cave as a result. What really upsets Atlas and Dreier is that Stern misses the subtle national hand directing Acorn’s various local campaigns. This is radicalism unashamed.

But don’t let the disruptive tactics fool you. Acorn is a savvy and exceedingly effective political player. Stern says that Acorn’s key postNew Left innovation is its determination to take over the system from within, rather than futilely try to overthrow it from without. Stern calls this strategy a political version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Take Atlas and Dreier at their word: Acorn has an openly aggressive and intimidating side, but a sophisticated inside game, as well. Chicago’s Acorn leader, for example, won a seat on the Board of Aldermen as the candidate of a leftist “New Party.”

Obama Meets Acorn
What has Barack Obama got to do with all this? Plenty. Let’s begin with Obama’s pre-law school days as a community organizer in Chicago. Few people have a clear idea of just what a “community organizer” does. A Los Angeles Times piece on Obama’s early Chicago days opens with the touching story of his efforts to build a partnership with Chicago’s “Friends of the Parks,” so that parents in a blighted neighborhood could have an inviting spot for their kids to play. This is the image of Obama’s organizing we’re supposed to hold. It’s far from the whole story, however. As the L. A. Times puts it, “Obama’s task was to help far South Side residents press for improvement” in their communities. Part of Obama’s work, it would appear, was to organize demonstrations, much in the mold of radical groups like Acorn.

Although the L. A. Times piece is generally positive, it does press Obama’s organizing tales on certain points. Some claim that Obama’s book, Dreams from My Father, exaggerates his accomplishments in spearheading an asbestos cleanup at a low-income housing project. Obama, these critics say, denies due credit to Hazel Johnson, an activist who claims she was the one who actually discovered the asbestos problem and led the efforts to resolve it. Read carefully, the L. A. Times story leans toward confirming this complaint against Obama, yet the story’s emphasis is to affirm Obama’s important role in the battle. Speaking up in defense of Obama on the asbestos issue is Madeleine Talbot, who at the time was a leader at Chicago Acorn. Talbot, we learn, was so impressed by Obama’s organizing skills that she invited him to help train her own staff.

And what exactly was Talbot’s work with Acorn? Talbot turns out to have been a key leader of that attempt by Acorn to storm the Chicago City Council (during a living-wage debate). While Sol Stern mentions this story in passing, the details are worth a look: On July 31, 1997, six people were arrested as 200 Acorn protesters tried to storm the Chicago City Council session. According to the Chicago Daily Herald, Acorn demonstrators pushed over the metal detector and table used to screen visitors, backed police against the doors to the council chamber, and blocked late-arriving aldermen and city staff from entering the session.

Reading the Herald article, you might think Acorn’s demonstrators had simply lost patience after being denied entry to the gallery at a packed meeting. Yet the full story points in a different direction. This was not an overreaction by frustrated followers who couldn’t get into a meeting (there were plenty of protestors already in the gallery), but almost certainly a deliberate bit of what radicals call “direct action,” orchestrated by Acorn’s Madeleine Talbot. As Talbot was led away handcuffed, charged with mob action and disorderly conduct, she explicitly justified her actions in storming the meeting. This was the woman who first drew Obama into his alliance with Acorn, and whose staff Obama helped train.


Surprise Visit
Does that mean Obama himself schooled Acorn volunteers in disruptive “direct action?” Not necessarily. The City Council storming took place in 1997, years after Obama’s early organizing days. And in general, Obama seems to have been part of Acorn’s “inside baseball” strategy. As a national star from his law school days, Obama knew he had a political future, and would surely have been reluctant to violate the law. In his early organizing days, Obama used to tell the residents he organized that they’d be more effective in their protests if they controlled their anger. On the other hand, as he established and deepened his association with Acorn through the years, Obama had to know what the organization was all about. Moreover, in his early days, Obama was not exactly a stranger to the “direct action” side of community organizing.

Consider the second charge against Obama raised by the L.A. Times backgrounder. On the stump today, Obama often says he helped prevent South Side Chicago blacks, Latinos, and whites from turning on each other after losing their jobs, but many of the community organizers interviewed by the L. A. Times say that Obama worked overwhelmingly with blacks.

To rebut this charge, Obama’s organizer friends tell the story of how he helped plan “actions” that included mixed white, black, and Latino groups. For example, following Obama’s plan, one such group paid a “surprise visit” to a meeting between local officials considering a landfill expansion. The protestors surrounded the meeting table while one activist made a statement chiding the officials, after which the protestors filed out. Presto! Obama is immunized from charges of having worked exclusively with blacks — but at the cost of granting us a peek at the not-so-warm-and-fuzzy side of his community organizing. Intimidation tactics are revealed, and Obama’s alliance with radical Acorn activists like Madeleine Talbot begins to make sense.

“Non-Partisan”
The extent of Obama’s ties to Acorn has not been recognized. We find some important details in an article in the journal Social Policy entitled, “Case Study: Chicago — The Barack Obama Campaign,” by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago Acorn leader and a member of Acorn’s National Association Board. The odd thing about this article is that Foulkes is forced to protect the technically “non-partisan” status of Acorn’s get-out-the-vote campaigns, even as he does everything in his power to give Acorn credit for helping its favorite son win the critical 2004 primary that secured Obama the Democratic nomination to the U.S. Senate.

Before giving us a tour of Acorn’s pro-Obama but somehow “non-partisan” election activities, Foulks treats us to a brief history of Obama’s ties to Acorn. While most press accounts imply that Obama just happened to be at the sort of public-interest law firm that would take Acorn’s “motor voter” case, Foulkes claims that Acorn specifically sought out Obama’s representation in the motor voter case, remembering Obama from the days when he worked with Talbot. And while many reports speak of Obama’s post-law school role organizing “Project VOTE” in 1992, Foulkes makes it clear that this project was undertaken in direct partnership with Acorn. Foulkes then stresses Obama’s yearly service as a key figure in Acorn’s leadership-training seminars.

At least a few news reports have briefly mentioned Obama’s role in training Acorn’s leaders, but none that I know of have said what Foulkes reports next: that Obama’s long service with Acorn led many members to serve as the volunteer shock troops of Obama’s early political campaigns — his initial 1996 State Senate campaign, and his failed bid for Congress in 2000 (Foulkes confuses the dates of these two campaigns.) With Obama having personally helped train a new cadre of Chicago Acorn leaders, by the time of Obama’s 2004 U.S. Senate campaign, Obama and Acorn were “old friends,” says Foulkes.

So along with the reservoir of political support that came to Obama through his close ties with Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, and other Chicago black churches, Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance. Sure enough, a bit of digging into Obama’s years in the Illinois State Senate indicates strong concern with Acorn’s signature issues, as well as meetings with Acorn and the introduction by Obama of Acorn-friendly legislation on the living wage and banking practices. You begin to wonder whether, in his Springfield days, Obama might have best been characterized as “the Senator from Acorn.”


Foundation Money

Although it’s been noted in an important story by John Fund, and in a long Obama background piece in the New York Times, more attention needs to be paid to possible links between Obama and Acorn during the period of Obama’s service on the boards of two charitable foundations, the Woods Fund and the Joyce Foundation.

According to the New York Times, Obama’s memberships on those foundation boards, “allowed him to help direct tens of millions of dollars in grants” to various liberal organizations, including Chicago Acorn, “whose endorsement Obama sought and won in his State Senate race.” As best as I can tell (and this needs to be checked out more fully), Acorn maintains both political and “non-partisan” arms. Obama not only sought and received the endorsement of Acorn’s political arm in his local campaigns, he recently accepted Acorn’s endorsement for the presidency, in pursuit of which he reminded Acorn officials of his long-standing ties to the group.

Supposedly, Acorn’s political arm is segregated from its “non-partisan” registration and get-out-the-vote efforts, but after reading Foulkes’ case study, this non-partisanship is exceedingly difficult to discern. As I understand, it would be illegal for Obama to sit on a foundation board and direct money to an organization that openly served as his key get-out-the-vote volunteers on Election Day. I’m not saying Obama crossed a legal line here: Based on Foulkes’ account, Acorn’s get-out-the-vote drive most likely observed the technicalities of “non-partisanship.”

Nevertheless, the possibilities suggested by a combined reading of the New York Times piece and the Foulkes article are disturbing. While keeping within the technicalities of the law, Obama may have been able to direct substantial foundation money to his organized political supporters. I offer no settled conclusion, but the matter certainly warrants further investigation and discussion. Obama is supposed to be the man who transcends partisanship. Has he instead used his post at an allegedly non-partisan foundation to direct money to a supposedly non-partisan group, in pursuit of what are in fact nakedly partisan and personal ends? I have no final answer, but the question needs to be pursued further.

In fact, the broader set of practices by which activist groups pursue intensely partisan ends under the guise of non-partisanship merits further scrutiny. Consider the 2006 report by Jonathan Bechtle, “Voter Turnout or Voter Fraud?” which includes a discussion of the nexus between Project Vote and Acorn, a nexus where Obama himself once resided. According to Bechtle, “It’s clear that groups that claimed to be nonpartisan wanted a partisan outcome,” and reading Foulkes’s case study of Acorn’s role in Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign, one can’t help but agree.

Radical Obama
Important as these questions of funding and partisanship are, the larger point is that Obama’s ties to Acorn — arguably the most politically radical large-scale activist group in the country — are wide, deep, and longstanding. If Acorn is adept at creating a non-partisan, inside-game veneer for what is in fact an intensely radical, leftist, and politically partisan reality, so is Obama himself. This is hardly a coincidence: Obama helped train Acorn’s leaders in how to play this game. For the most part, Obama seems to have favored the political-insider strategy, yet it’s clear that he knew how to play the in-your-face “direct action” game as well. And surely during his many years of close association with Acorn, Obama had to know what the group was all about.

The shame of it is that when the L. A. Times returned to Obama’s stomping grounds, it found the park he’d helped renovate reclaimed by drug dealers and thugs. The community organizer strategy may generate feel-good moments and best-selling books, but I suspect a Wal-Mart as the seed-bed of a larger shopping complex would have done far more to save the neighborhood where Obama worked to organize in the “progressive” fashion. Unfortunately, Obama’s Acorn cronies have blocked that solution.

In any case, if you’re looking for the piece of the puzzle that confirms and explains Obama’s network of radical ties, gather your Acorns this spring. Or next winter, you may just be left watching the “President from Acorn” at his feast.

 


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