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HERE IT IS:

SPORT MODS $5000 TO WIN!

$300 TO START

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SPEEDBOWL VALLEY RACEWAY

AMARILLO, TEXAS

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PAYDOWN, ENTRY FORMS & ETC.

Just a thought, does anyone see how a show like this benefits sport mods. Guys that shouldn't be in sport mods will show up just for a paycheck, leaving the regular sport mods watching from the pits. This is what happened to regular mods and shows like this will cause sport mods to get out of hand just the same. JMO

It all runs in cycles and your right. I have heard IMCA will open up their modified rules next year and sooner or later it will be back where we are now. Same goes with the 305, 360 and 410 sprint car saga.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Some people think big bucks will cause evolution of the rules, Not so. We have promoted some the biggest paying modified shows in the country and made stars out of weekly racers. Seldom did any "hot dogs" slip into Amarillo and get the money. We had a lot of late model drivers try and a lot of good modified drivers show up with killer motors, just to take them out and run there old claimer motors. We held the line on evolution simply by enforcing the rules and with serious tech inspections. The Northern Sport Mod rules are a way better set of rules in about 5 areas. The crate motor has proven to be the way to go in any class car that runs them. Everyone knows a Ford rear-end will take the racing punishment while the GM rear has limited life.

THE TIRE FIXES THE WHOLE DEAL. The southern SM tire is good for a second a lap over the northern SM tire. They have to run the reg. G60 modified tire. Our surface will be dry even in the night qualifiers. On a real heavy or tacky surface the Northern SM might have an advantage but not so on dry. The big feature will be on Sun afternoon. Most times when we have above 80 degree weather the track takes heavy rubber but not as much traction as tacky. The track is a quarter mile and is over 150' wide on the back straight and banked about 10 degrees in the turns. HORSEPOWER don't show and if it does we will tech everything, and probably remove the heads and valves to look.

We do not expect any of the Northern SM drivers to tow this far for this year's race anyway, gas is still too high, so it will be mostly all SSMod anyway. Come get you some of the BIG BUCKS.

Randy

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Randy are you running IMCA rules for the Sportmods?

Yes 100% IMCA rules except no engine claim but we probably will pull the winner's heads for inspection if the winner seems to have power or if the 2nd place driver wants to look. The 2nd and 3rd place drivers will know for sure they were not cheated.

Also, we do not allow rough driving. We have a black flag penalty and a 2 position penalty for rough driving. Some tracks are reluctant to give black flags because the penalty is like the death penalty, it's over if you get it. We have always been able to control it real well with the 2 position penalty. If you get the blue/yellow all you have to do is pull over and let 2 cars go completely by and then you can go back to racing. If it is an obvious take out or on the last lap the black will be used. This is not NASCAR where all the drivers are making millions and they don't have to fix there own cars. Bump and run is not racing, some spectators like it, but I don't.

Nobody will win my race with a bump and run.

do you truly believe that you are equalling the playing field between the southern and northern sportmods by a tire rule? I believe in what you are doing and love the big shows but there is NO WAY that your tire rule will make these two classes equal, for the simple fact that the northern mods are allowed so much more when it comes to suspension parts.

The idea is a awesome idea, I just think that you would have to equal the playing field ALOT MORE!!! I'm not saying that I know what would do it (maybe extra weight)

I really don't know, but what I do know is if you took the top ten northern and the top ten southerns in the country, and they were all legal, the northern would sweep the show.

I'm just giving my opinion here and by no means am I trying to tell you how to run your track!!!! JMO

I wish you the very best with this show and hope it is very successful!!!!!!

just one more idea, drop the top prize a little bit and payback better, this is a sure way to guarrantee good racing for every position and would probably increase car count significantly... again JMO

Jayson Ellis

Hey Mike, you and Cody going to head out there? As long as you have been in racing, have you ever been to that track? I was too young "back in the day" as my parents only resorted to SFS but I have read alot about the old Amarillo track. Would love to make it out there one day.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

I think its great that someone is putting on a big money show for that class. Robert you and Johnie can win this.

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David I don't think we will go because after looking at the Northern Sportmod rules, I agree with Jaydad 37 we will be at a disadvantage especially on a dry track. Not only that I wish the paydown was alot better and that there were an engine claim. Yes I have ran at Randy's track. Tony Anderson and I ran there when he paid 50 grand to win a Modified race and there were around 150 Modifieds(I know that CCC was getting excited when he seen the car count). If we went we would only take Cody's car because I sold my car this morning but I have been thinking that maybe I would take my Ada Limited mod (which is still for sale) and run it as a Northern Sportmod. (Just a thought). That old Amarillo track has alot of history

the promoter stated that he didnt think he would get any northern sportmods, so I suggest if you have a "legal" & "competitive" northern sportmod to go to this race. You will be at a huge advantage!!!!

Jayson Ellis

Jaydad, I appreciate your opinion but you have no idea which car will be faster. I say the tire makes 10 times more dif than a 3 link and horsepower DON'T win at my track anyway it is all about set-up and driving. I think I know my track a lot better than you would, I have promoted over 400 races on it and I drove the grader and water truck almost every time. Now, I will be the first to say that the northern rules should be a little faster on a 3/8 or tacky quarter or larger track but not on my track. So, most tracks could not allow them to race together fairly. We will find out if not this year, next, which is faster because I plan to run the same deal every year in Oct. I will not be doing any promotion or advertising up north this year because I think the price of fuel will not allow any of them to tow that far anyway. If a car runs as a northern car they will have to meet all the northern

rules not just the ones that they like.

As for pay down, I always hear this because I always pay heavy to win and then pay what I think I can on down. My race is not for everybody, in fact it is not designed to be for most weekly racers. I try to draw the top 1 or 2 drivers from each track to have a REAL championship type race. Everyone is welcome at this point but if you are not a top dog at home you will probably not do well at a race like this. But if you want to learn and improve your racing program you have to go race where the fastest guys are at. It is a race you know, that means you don't get paid for showing up, you have to win it.

RCAR,

I wasn't trying to tell you how to run your track, just making some suggestions, nothing more!!!

I do disagree with you about the tires making it an even playing field, you are way off base on that one. As for your track, I have been there several times and you are very correct, its not a horsepower track. Its a setup track, which is exactly my point that I was trying to make! The northern sportmod will be able to get hooked up ALOT BETTER at your track.

I sure hope you don't take my comments the wrong way...

I hope this show is a HUGE success and it goes on for many years!!!!

As for the payback, again just a suggestion. I would bet that if you polled the top 2 drivers from all the tracks in your region, they would also agree! With that being said ,its your track, and I'm just making suggestions that I hear from drivers from all over the country. Nothing more than suggestions....

If I have said something out of line, then I apologize, for that was not my intent!

Im the crew chief of a southern sportmod and yes we are one of the top 1 or 2 cars at our track. We travel every chance we get to the big shows. In all honesty, we would have been coming to your show if my driver didn't have surgery yesterday, so our next race will be the TURKEY NATIONALS!!!

Well, I wish you the best with this show and am glad that there are promoters like yourself to put on these shows! Heck, I may even drive down to watch...

Jayson Ellis

Hey, you can have your opinion but I'm real sure on this deal. No apology necessary. I did not mean to be too blunt either. I just know what I'm talking about here. We are only wanting 40 to 50 cars for this first race and we have had around 20 for $1000 to win last year before they started running weekly at the other track in Amarillo, when only 1 was from Amarillo. Now there are about 15 in town. Like I said we do not expect any Northern SMMs to show this year anyway but I plan to do this just to show you the cars can run together fairly. On a dry track the SSM tires are a full second faster and I say no way will the NSM be faster than a SSM. Now, you have to factor in that there are apples and oranges in each division. By that, I mean some have more experience and know how than others. So a SSM with the right driver and know how might out run a faster SSM or a NSM on any given day. I am building this show for the future. I am sure you will see many tracks going in the direction of the NSM rules esp. the non sanctioned tracks, for example watch what happens to the rules at OKC State fair speedway. They will probably be a mixture of the two. THE SSM RULES HAVE SEVERAL STUPID RULES. Many can not be tech-ed properly and if you knew what I know about the cars that are out there running in the "GRAY AREAS" of the rules you would not want to go race against them either. I just put it out in the open what the rules are and how they will be enforced at my race. The SSM can not be policed in a fair way. Anytime you can adjust you rockers to pull more vaccuum you got a problem. Compression measurement as a cost saving rule is joke when you test it by pounds and only 5 revolutions, give me a break. Have you heard of a whistler? The good engine builders are laughing all the way to the checkered flag on these rules. The crate engine solves almost all the problems. Mostly for us lazy promoters that like to pay the money and go home after the races. The claim is always a hassel too and should be done away with. Why do you need a claim rule when you have engine specs to go by?????? the claim rule was never the success story behind the IMCA Modifieds anyway, it was the tire !!!!! at my $5,000, $10,000, $20,000 and $50,000 to win shows nobody ever got claimed. It was because HORSEPOWER NEVER WON MY RACES. It's all about driver and set-up at the Speedbowl. It's like a go-kart rental track where they put silicone on the concrete. (not quite that slippery) Now, traction control is a whole nother story and ANYONE EVER CAUGHT WITH IT AT MY TRACK WILL BE BARRED FOR LIFE. We have a new, never heard of test for it and we will be using it at my races this year.

There is very little if any cost saving with the SSM rules over the NSM rules. If you ran a crate engine and your rear-end lasted 3 seasons you would be a lot of bucks ahead of running a SSM. JMO

Not to mention how unfair the SSM rules are for the poorboy that knows he is running legal and getting smoked down the straight aways and then the other guy passes tech? You have to claim him just to findout what he has.

As for the purse. It's about the money here no prestige involved, JUST LOTS OF COLD CASH but you have to win it.

RCAR,

I have alot of respect for people willing to go out and put on the big shows, people who express true thoughts!

I hope you are right about this race, because if you are, it will be HUGE!!!!!

As for OKC, I sure hope they don't do that..... there are several IMCA tracks around them and they would never pull those cars! You are very correct about the rules and there can be some improvements made. It has to be very limited though or you will just end up with another breed of modifieds....

I know that Enid(not sanctioned), Elk City, Ada, Ardmore all run under the IMCA rules for this class and Im fairly sure that Outlaw Speedway is going to them also. I know that the NCRA is going to run a SSM Series in Oklahoma next year and I'm fairly sure they will be under the same rules. I guess that Im just rambling but I believe the more places under the same rules, gives us more places to race at equally!!!!

We race at Enid Speedway Park, they put on a $2,500 to win $500.00 to start (every position made a little more money) earlier this year. They had 44 cars for this first show. We ran 2nd!!!

Im sure that I will come and watch this race at your track...

See you then

Jayson Ellis

Common Randy you are a smart guy. With the NSM and the Ford 9inch rear end and a two link with a solid pull bar and weight jacks is a whole lot better on dry slick than the 10 bolt with stock trailing arms. I can get pinion angle with the Ford 9 inch and can't do that with the 10 bolt.

Crate Motors- Are you telling me there is no cheating that goes on with crate motors. I know of a person that can get into a crate motor and you would never know it.

Checking the motors with an engine claim is the way to go. Elk City at there big show done a pretty good job except they didn't check camshafts and lifters. We are legal with our cars and if I see somebody blowing our doors off down the straigtaway then yes I will try to buy them. If we are getting beat in the corners then I need to work on setup

Now if you want to make it a SSM show only and a two day show instead of three with lets say 2 grand to win and 400 to start then I would be one of the first ones in your pit. JMO

Last I heard Lanny is going with Ford 9 inch rear ends at OKC and Lawton. I think he is shooting his self in the foot.

I agree mike. I think lanny is messing up on nine inch but thats lanny, just kind like this randy guy IDONT WANT KNOW MORE THEN 40-50 CARS HUH. if you ask me most fans want to see lots of cars. JMO

The Deeper The Better. GO DEEP!

bit would be not so good for him, heck, he wouldnt even be able to host the NCRA show. Surely he will see the light and all will be wonderful!!!!!

Jayson Ellis

I hope that Lanny changes his mind but wouldn't bet on it. Lanny could care less about the NCRA. Even if Lanny didn't go with the ford 9 inch he still wouldn't have a NCRA show