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Ok with all the hype of the 305's lets try and write a set of rules that will help keep the sport alive thru bad times.

Every write the one rule that you feel will help and just maybe promoters will read and like what they see.

Mine would be:

Any tire but must durometer at least 50.

LETS RACE BOYS

It would be nice if the guys that were actually showing up to the races EVERY single week with a racecar would be involved in these rules changes.Last year at the 34 raceway rules meeting we had people expressing their opinions and then didnt even race a 305 race all year long..

RaceSaver has a great set of rules.

Cheers!

Cheers!

I run a big block in my vintage sprinter and they are very hard to find around here. cheap horse power lolol

LETS RACE BOYS

I think the rules are fine. They just need to be enforced a lot better. But the tire idea is a great one. I've been saying that since they started. The MSCS non wing group uses a hoosier that is very hard and narrow. I bet you 2 or 3 would last you a whole season. You know the one thing no one ever talks about is the fact that the fastest cars are usually the ones that are best built, best maintained, and best driven. If you think about the winning cars at 34 they all have some other things in common. Years of experience building, maintaining and Very Aggressive drivers. I would bet you that I could take one of these lesser funded teams and if I was aloud to do all of the maintenance and setup and the driver would drive for all he or she was worth the car would run up front. I'm not being conceded I just have a lot more experience than the younger teams that are getting started at 34. But it is easier to tell everyone you are being out motored and out dollar-ed. Their will always be teams who spend money. And it helps but it is not what makes them win all the time.

Tell me how much money you got and I'll tell you how 
fast you can go!

I agree. Let's not change anything! Lets just enforce it.

Except the tire! That is a must. Hard and narrow!

Tell me how much money you got and I'll tell you how 
fast you can go!

Plus look at the title of this thread......

Sprint car racing and affordable just do not go together.

AMEN Brother

Tell me how much money you got and I'll tell you how 
fast you can go!

ok i do not race sprint cars. but have been involved with racing for 20 years now. everyone has great points. but here is the bottom line, continuing to use parts handed down from the "BIG LEAGUES" is just as cost effective as making people buy cheaper parts. 305's should look like their big brothers (or sisters), so keep the wings. Put the brick tire on the right rear, unhook the car some (remember the new guys, you don't want a caution everyother lap like hobby stocks).

Jesse Wagler

Chris can I barrow them next year??? lol I will stand with my fellow racers on getting a rule change on the tires. To me the hearder tires will last longer and be cheaper in the long run. What does everyone think about harder tires on the left rears also (not 50's of course) but like 35's or 45's? How about a spec 5.7 or 6.0 steel rod? How about thinking of a nutral party to actually tech these cars? (Jeff Campbell) Just throwing some more out there for all to think about.

Jesse Wagler

Sorry if i offended anyone on the number 50 durometer i stated. That was just a number to make a point. I aslo agree that the rules need to followed and teched. I also agree someone like Jeff could be the tech person.

Another rule that would be very easy to police would be steel shocks.

The 305 classes is very competive but still a beginning class for the racer and the team. As Camfab has stated alot of it is set.

LETS RACE BOYS

The first thing they should do is make them sprint car motors and not taxi cab motors. Every night you have 16 cars show up 8 finish the feature after 2 wreck and 6 blow motors. The tire rule is the least of the problems for the 305's. Most of the guys I know run on used rubber anyway. If you add a hard tire rule all that does is make them spend 200 dollars on a new tire instead of buying a hand me down for 50. They need to be dry sump-ed with a roller cam. If everything else was left the same you could build a motor that would last for years.

Hootus6D,

They do not need to be dry sumped with a rollor cam. If you think they need that you need to race a 360!

a500tt,

No offence taken. I agree that we should run a RR tire that dirometers out to 50 or 60. I was also asking about making racers run a LR that dirometers out to 35 to 45. Make both rear tires spec. tires. I said something once about the steel shocks, but you can buy good used alum shocks cheap, or if your buying a good quality steel shock your gonna spend around $115 for $15 to $20 more you can put new alum shocks on the car.

Just my 2 pennies.

Jesse Wagler

The rules we have are fine. We just need an enforcer. 34 is a set up track. Donnie or Jason could give you 100 horsepower ,it would not make a difference .Get the car right . Dont go out and search for 4 or 5 laps for a good line . Find your spot and drive . The part about a roller, you will not gain much. You will more likely loose compression. And the cost is more. The power is in the heads, Thats pretty much what they need to look at . The rules state untouched. thats easy enough. For us this has been a fun learning experience. I think all involved are good people. Lets do it again .

I raced 305's in SWMO for the last few years and here is my opinion on keeping them affordable.

1. REMOVE WINGS!!!!!!

2. Hard RR OR Minimum air pressure rule.

3. $1500 long block CLAIM RULE!!

4. REMOVE WINGS!!!!

Midget Racing on a mini stock budget

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Dustin Arnall, President

Most of you saw my ideas or suggestions last week.

Lostcreek, you will gain a little bit of horsepower and torque with a roller cam, but the big thing I stated is that a roller cam will outlive a flat tappett 10:1. I really don't understand how you might lose compression by going to a roller. Your compression depends on how much you can surface off your heads and still have enough valve to piston clearance.

P.S. Are many of you racers planning on attending the Knoxville 305 race at the end of the month, if not, why?

P.S.S. Just saw the post where you can run a roller cam at the Donnellson race, BUT the weight break is insane!!! 75 lbs. is quite a bit for the little amount of difference the two make between each other. 25 lbs. would be more like it. JMO though

I"ll be there!! Just took my newest 305 creation off the dyno Wednesday and John Kearney is putting it in his car as we speak. Here's crossing my fingers that it will live............LMAO!!!!

We averaged 26 cars per race. 32 cars high/24 cars low. Our car count is determined by track promoter, not available cars. Honestly trying to remember any motor failures this season, probably a few but, not many. This rules pkg keeps everyone within approx. 10-15 hp. Everyone has basic same hp so, this puts it into the driver/crew hands.

I'm not trying to start a p*$$&g contest, just wanted to let everyone know about an economical solution to a question that was posed. My wife and I work 40 hr. week jobs and are able to race only because of this program. We race w/wings normally but, had 4 non wing shows this season.

Thank you French Grimes for all of your investments into this rules pkg that allows us to race sprint cars.