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Has anyone else heard about Perris going to ASCS sanctioning next year instead of USAC. Boy I sure hope so. Can you imagin the car count? It would be tremendous! Much more affordable, and closer action.

Shhhhh, not yet. Still trying to decide how to tell the fans that 360's is the way to go without starting a riot. (OK, that was just a joke for my buddy T-4-Rob. Poor guy is just waiting to lynch the one that brings in 360's as a regular deal...LOL).

Seriously tho, I'm not saying nothing cause it ain't time yet. Anyone know where I can find the ASCS office to ask them in person? What town / state are those guys in any way?

Hey Ziggy---> Grunky here.... ASCS ??? Now I would run perris all the time////// Bring It On........

Everyone is a little Crazy in their own unique way...

Its the one's who Don't think they are Crazy you have
to Look Out For!!!!

thanks John now I have to go change my underwear !!!!!!!!!

seriously I don't much care who runs the deal as long as its 410s

ROB

Amen, to that..........As long as we're dreaming, can we have some double header midget shows to go along with the "new 410" deal? ? ?

I don't think (what do I know) that Don K. is to interested in losing the end of the year races with the USAC group. Give Kevin Miller some time and he will have things sorted out with USAC. I have no interest in 360s at the PAS.

"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza"  -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS

Perris has run 360's two dozen or more times in the last ten years.They failed to draw a crowd .410 sprinters rule in So.Cal always have always will.......no matter what sanctioning group!

Kevin Miller is REAL POPULAR in the NATIONAL Series if you read IOW message Board with Greg Stabb leaving/departing or whatever you want to call it today. Many in the Midwest have the same feelings toward USAC as many have expressed about USAC on this forum. Actually, Kevin Miller is more unpopular back there than here by a large margin. And by the way, wth is the point fund for this year, I never did hear what it is?

One question for everyone. Why does everything have to be dictated by Perris, Kazarian, and USAC anymore. They have high ticket prices, high gate fees, parking fees, LOW PURSES, misunderstandings about point fund money, and now are begging fans to pay for the point funds. According to Wags, it is a normal occurance at Perris for them to ask donations for almost anything and everything these days.

23 cars last weeks at Perris is blamed on the economy. BS. There was low car counts this low the PREVIOUS year at Perris when gas was a $1 cheaper. Car counts have been crappy for over a year at USAC/CRA shows, Perris included unless you count the shows were the Midwest teams and/or drivers came out to enhance the car counts.

However, when Cary Fass and Gardner throw together a show at Victorville at the last minute, with special rules (special nerf bars, drivers have to be 18), they get 42 cars at the last race. Ticket prices were just $12, NO PARKING FEES, $10 event T-shirts, $1 programs, etc etc, and the event was well recieved by drivers and fans. The following week only 23 cars show up, that is a STATEMENT by the car owners right there. NOT BY THE MESSAGE BOARD, NOT BY ME, but strictly by car numbers.

However, by me as a fan, I throughly enjoyed the show much better at Victorville than at Perris by how it was ran and HOW IT FELT. The racing, well it was actually great at both tracks. But I don't think Perris will be getting as much of my business if all they can draw is 23 cars, and have 3 heats, and all cars transfer to the main, and it doesn't get over till 11 PM. By the way, Victorville had 9 cars in the C Main and it meant something!!

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In my perfect 410 world- Fass would take over and we would run 3 or 4 410 races a month, 1 at Perris, 1 at Victorville, and 1 at Ventura, and than 1 at another track like Tulare, Oildale, Hanford, Santa Maria. By running at Ventura more often, maybe you could get some of the Ventura (VRA) guys to bump upto 410 more often like Kierce, Templeman, Hendricks, Rutherford, Camarillo Bros (2), Taylor, Conrad, etc, if they knew Ventura was having 7 410 races, and Victorville was having 7 races. Plus if Central Valley was having 5 410 races, maybe 2 or 3 guys there would run more often. It's not like Perris is paying a great purse $2500 to entice people to travel and race 410. Maybe Fass can figure out how to pay the purses he does. If we raced more in Manzy, maybe Sherman, Davis, and Rj would show up too.

Just a thought. But why let Perris dictate 410 racing scene. Victorville is a perfectly good alternative if Perris does not want to pay a good purse next year and if USAC does not fit in the picture. Plus I'm not a real big fan of 23 car counts. I for one will support Fass/Gardner promotions, and it looks like the 410 drivers and owners will also.

I've said my peace and I'm sure people are going to flame me on this, go ahead, but there is not much you can say about facts Victorville 42, next week 23.

I'd love to go to Santa Maria, but Ventura seems to be a better show with Midgets and sprints this week. And 360 sprints at Ventura are pretty damn good too! I'm sure both shows will be good, but I KNOW VENTURA IS ALWAYS GOOD and there will be plenty of racing and shorter drive. Have fun no matter what track you choose. (you guys are going to the races right instead of sitting at home)

Braden Wasson
B. Wasson Design
www.bwassonart.deviantart.com

Well the topic was ASCS taking over at the PAS. I was at both shows in Victorville and enjoyed them both tremendously and I think the track has a bright future. But they need more capacity and some minor adjustments to the fairground facility. A better PA system comes to mind. But those things are minor and I don't want to detract from the great promotion that Mr. Faas and Mr. Gardner presented to fans of open wheel racing. You might take shots at the PAS, but they have the best dirt track facility I have ever been to and they run their track professionally. And last weekend's show was one of the best. I don't know or want to get into the politics of the whole thing, but your idea of three or four tracks for 410 racing is interesting. Just to try and put the wild rumor of ASCS taking over racing in Southern California to rest, I say it is not going to happen. Not with Faas and Gardner now in the picture and why would PAS align with a 360 group that doesn't seem to be setting the world on fire in Arizona. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think ASCS has qualifying, no 410 racing and a crazy passing point system along with a pill draw for heats. Why the PAS would start their own 410 series before I feel that they would hook up with that 360 group. I hope this crazy thought or rumor goes away. As you (jdfast) stated the future is out of the hands of folks on this board and rests squarely with the owners of our beloved 410 traditional sprint cars. Please no 360s as they are made for great tracks like Ventura.

"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza"  -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS

As Braden has noted above, ASCS runs the TNT 410 series and would be just awsome to have a Cal/AZ based series for us to enjoy. The Oval Nats. are owned by Oval Entertainment not by USAC, therefore keeping them at The PAS is not a problem if we lose USAC. With $30,000 to win no matter what sanction you will still get 60 plus cars no matter what, as long as the schedule permits like it has and does

Well it's certainly not up to me. One thing is for sure though, I will support the Kazarian family in whatever their future plans may be. I was unaware that ASCS was involved with the TNT series.

On another topic in this thread, here are jdfast's comments concerning Perris:

One question for everyone. Why does everything have to be dictated by Perris, Kazarian, and USAC anymore. They have high ticket prices, high gate fees, parking fees, LOW PURSES, misunderstandings about point fund money, and now are begging fans to pay for the point funds. According to Wags, it is a normal occurance at Perris for them to ask donations for almost anything and everything these days.

Last Saturday's race @ the PAS was designed to support Veterans. I know there were several thousands of dollars (can't recall the amount) raised for the VA's hospital near San Bernardino. What's wrong with that? I am a Vietnam Veteran and guess what? The Kazarian family let me inside their facility for free. All I had to do was show my VA card. That was terrific and made me feel proud. What a nice gesture and I would like to personally thank the race track and Don Kazarian. And I enjoyed hearing the former Vietnam Veteran's rendition of our National Anthem. It was an exciting night of racing one that my friends, my son and I enjoyed very much.

I have been to Perris almost every time the sprint cars are there this year and I don't ever recall Scott Daloisio or any track employee from Don Kazarian down ever begging fans to contribute to the point fund. The point fund was the idea of a couple of great guys who frequent this board. Sky Harbor Cowboy was one – and forgive me I don't recall the other gentleman's name. Sure the fans' point fund was a result of the USAC point mess from last year. But it wasn't the PAS that was the driving force for the People's Championship Point Fund (or whatever it is called). But it was Don Kazarian and Jim Cardey (driver David's father) who were among the first to contribute $500 each to an idea that was created on this site. And there were many others and they are listed in the track's program each week.

It seems that each week the track has some type of promotion that offers ticket discounts to different groups of fans. I don't feel that I am being gouged for a great evening of racing. That's why I travel to Perris or Victorville, Ventura and later in the summer to Calistoga. To watch the brave men that drive these unbelievable racing machines.

Another contributor is Jeff Kristensen and Raceway Video. Jeff gives away copies of last year's race videos to each fan that contributes $20 or more to the point fund. The point is no one is "begging fans to pay for the points funds." And I don't believe your quote of Ken Wagner is correct either. There are a couple of other people that raise money for the racers at the PAS and they certainly don't beg for people to contribute to their ideas. Stop bitching and moaning about the PAS – probably due to some imagined axe you feel you must grind and get behind the sport of sprint car racing. You have some imaginative ideas. Your just not much of a salesman because I am not buying into it!

"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza"  -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS

I think that as before, people need to look at what A.S.C.S. is and how they run a show, what the payouts are on their average show, the insurance available, entry fees and what contingencies are available. The reason I say this is that the last time their was a bandwagon passing through town, a higher paying, better show was put to pasture.

Here is my $.02

Just race. Who needs an association. Who needs a Championship fund. Make the weekly payout better and the guy that wins the most races gets a trophy 1 foot per win. He wins 10 races, he gets a 10 foot trophy. No point fund, no tire rule, no forced equipment rules. Just basic common sense rules.

Get busted cheating? You have to start last in every main event you race in for the rest of the year. Get busted twice, you have to run around the track twice, in your underwear with a sign that says, "I am a cheater because I suck at racing." Imagine the humiliation in that. Don't run, don't race. And if you cheat, wear clean underwear. Three times, your done, car and driver for one calender year, None of this time served crap.

Just race. Politics are for Washington. Leave it to them.

I love the fact that they payout the same night of the race....And I run a 360, and cant afford a 410!!! I think a 360 and 410 show will make the car count go up.... When will this happen.... Make the show start at 3pm and we will have plenty of time to get done by 10pm

Everyone is a little Crazy in their own unique way...

Its the one's who Don't think they are Crazy you have
to Look Out For!!!!

leave the 360s at Ventura.

ROB

I agree with "Flyinggreek".  Better payouts each week, little politics (you will never eliminate it all, dealing with people) forget the end of year champ fund hoopla.  Have a barbeque, give some trophies for those who like them.  I really like the way you would handle those cheating-  it would take a group of officials with the b---s to enforce, not a group who changes the rules each race.  By the way, the average fan can't really tell the difference between 360 and 410 cars, esp. on smaller tracks- just like to see close racing, passing not follow the leader with the same cars starting up front.

if you can't tell the difference between a 360 and a 410 your not paying attention.

ROB

Cool let the car count stay at 25 lol or was it 22 last week???

Everyone is a little Crazy in their own unique way...

Its the one's who Don't think they are Crazy you have
to Look Out For!!!!

Boy!! Did I open up a can of worms!

no worries Ziggy discussion is good.

Grunky,I'll take 20 good 410s anyday over a deluted field with uncompetitive 360s,if you need to race 360s fine race VRA or Bandit not that there is anything wgong with that.

ROB