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egras
June 16, 2025 at 09:56:23 AM
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Posted By: Nick14 on June 15 2025 at 05:49:33 PM

I was trying to figure that one out myself while trying to remember how many times I've said that I would and have gone to either series if they were in my neck of the woods. And as you know, I would have gone to more by now had it not been for the weather issues we've had. 

 

I believe a number of times that i have said I'm not sure why so many try to disparage 1 or the other series and nit pick at every little thing like officiating, race rules, or series rules. I'm in control of none of it and posting on a forum or social media is not going to change their rules. I understand each series business model and understand there might be things that might seem "unfair" to some but they make sense from business perspective.  All I control is where I spend my money and at each event I've been too for both has been well spent.



The word "unfair" sums everything up.  Everything is always unfair in everyone's mind.  Larson spins and continues on, retains his spot, and regardless of the rules being written in black and white, to Larson haters and HL haters, it's unfair.  Gravel spins, the yellow comes out, and because he doesn't stop, he gets his spot back where he would have blended in when the yellow comes out, but all of the Outlaw haters think it's "unfair."  Macedo has a perfect restart and takes 5 cars going down the front-stretch, and if you have any knowledge of the restart rule, you know it's to the book----but to all of the armchair quarterbacks, it's unfair because of how they think the restart should be, vs. how it's clearly spelled out.  All of these are black and white issues with no real gray area.  Then, you get into the gray area stuff.  It has to be an absolute nightmare for track officials, promoters, series directors, etc enforcing the rules that are judgement calls.  It's like a strike that hits the outside corner in baseball.  How many more hundredths of an inch does that pitch have to move outside before it's called a ball?  It's got to be maddening with every driver pushing every single envelope.  

 

I read a Facebook post that showed how many tracks had closed across the country.  One reply was interesting.  He said the reason tracks close is because they don't enforce the rules enough which pisses people off.  I remember my local track, and I'm sure it's the same way at every track.  When it appeared someone broke a rule, and it wasn't enforced, there would be cliques of drivers and fans that would become enraged and boycott the track.  On the flip side, when one of these gray-area rules were enforced to keep these cliques happy, the cliques in support of the penalized drivers would boycott the track.  You can't win.  The WoO can't win, and neither can the HL.  EVERY, SINGLE race now, because of social media, is turned into a conspiracy by whoever hates the side that came out with a favorable ruling.  Every one.  Every great restart is now a jump.  Every one.  Every time a driver is given their spot back because they didn't stop during a yellow, there are hundreds of fans claiming to know a yellow rule, that never existed, that put that driver to the back.  How about Sweet and the scale?  Does anyone really believe Sweet has any reason to be underweight?  I don't ever recall him being DG'd during his entire career.  Whatever happened at the scale, and I don't care because I'm not an official, who cares?  At the end of the day, he wasn't under anyways.  Non-story. 

 

I'm so happy I can go to the races and allow the officials to do their job knowing my work is done for the week, and I can just go watch racing!  "Unfair" is the new social media rallying cry.  Every single night is unfair.   

 

 



Cool Trikes
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June 17, 2025 at 08:52:40 AM
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This message was edited on June 17, 2025 at 08:59:54 AM by Cool Trikes

Problem I see with the High Limit is rules enforcement, especially with  the 14 Meyers cars.  Last week when Day crashed his dad and crew guy were both at the sceen with a four wheeler even. Was a nasty crash but what if it was anyone else?. Same thing at Kerns in the spring. Bayston crashed and his crew guy was out on the track with his four wheeler. They had to move the four wheeler to get the wrecker to the sceen. I can't believe nobody else saw this.



egras
June 17, 2025 at 12:35:49 PM
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Posted By: Cool Trikes on June 17 2025 at 08:52:40 AM

Problem I see with the High Limit is rules enforcement, especially with  the 14 Meyers cars.  Last week when Day crashed his dad and crew guy were both at the sceen with a four wheeler even. Was a nasty crash but what if it was anyone else?. Same thing at Kerns in the spring. Bayston crashed and his crew guy was out on the track with his four wheeler. They had to move the four wheeler to get the wrecker to the sceen. I can't believe nobody else saw this.



I can't believe anyone would care.  I may have seen it without realizing it and because it has no bearing on the race, the outcome of the race, and I'm watching on TV when there are officials right there to handle anything that may require intervention.   I probably just took a drink of my beer and grabbed some chips.  I'm struggling to see how this has any relavance to anything.  Did Day come back and win this race because of the 4-wheeler?   

Not trying to be a D@#% but, who cares about something this petty?  And, what would the penalty have been?  He was already done for the night if it's the same race I'm thinking of.  




Cool Trikes
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June 17, 2025 at 02:56:45 PM
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It is a rule that crew members are not allowed on the race track. I am just saying it seems like the rules are selectively enforced.

If you have the rule enforce it or get rid of it.



egras
June 17, 2025 at 03:01:16 PM
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Posted By: Cool Trikes on June 17 2025 at 02:56:45 PM

It is a rule that crew members are not allowed on the race track. I am just saying it seems like the rules are selectively enforced.

If you have the rule enforce it or get rid of it.



Okay, what is the penalty?  And, how do you know for a fact that it was or was not enforced?  The car was junk.  I know Larson was black flagged from a race last year when a crew member entered the track.  The car was not damaged by anything, and was completely race ready.  I don't believe he was suspended for the next race, nor was the crew member. 

So it appears to me the penalty is being black-flagged?  In this case, the rule is of no consequence.  The car was headed to the hauler.  Correct me if I'm missing something.  



POOKY
June 17, 2025 at 03:45:56 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 14 2025 at 11:23:53 AM

I don't boo him either and will never cheer for him.  

 



You just realy hate this sport. You spend so much more effort to tear Drivers and tracks down. If you really enjoyed it, yo might say something positive, not just only look at the shitty side. 

 

I've been going to Husets since 1983, and their were a lot of things to bitch about back in the day, but anything was better than not having it. Now its great. Avaraging over 30 410s every Sunday.  So keep bitching, Maybe you could take up the WNBA, it is full of cry babies like you

 




revjimk
June 19, 2025 at 12:16:31 AM
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Posted By: hardon on June 14 2025 at 02:54:51 AM

First off, I want to apologize, I wasn't trying to single you or anyone out.  I know that sounds dumb because I put you and other people's usernames in there but it wasn't to personally pick at anyone.  The point I was trying to make was, in any of these HL vs. WOO debates I see, I can just look at the username and pretty well know what the message is going to say.  I also want to make it clear that you're not wrong in your opinion and neither is Winged/Strawser.  Everyone has an opinion and they're entitled to it, I'm not disputing that.  The High Limit was started in 2022 (three years ago), they started racing in 2023 (two years ago).  You're correct, a message board is about debating "hot topics".  But this series was started three years ago, is it really a hot topic anymore?  My point is this, you have your opinions (which is totally cool), why do you need to keep repeating yourself?  Do you really think Strawser is open minded enough to read your post and say "I hadn't thought about it that way, you have a point".  Are you open minded enough to do that?

There's good points on both sides of the argument but at this point I think everything has been said that can be said.  I have to think the HL vs. WOO debate isn't a hot topic anymore.  I hope something more exciting has happened in sprint car racing in the last three years.

Now on to the real important stuff.  Heggies is a good pizza, so is Lotza Motza or however it's spelled (both very similar) but for me the greatest frozen pizza of all time (drumroll please)              No longer exists.  The greatest frozen pizza ever was a Canadian Bacon Tombstone.  Which they still make but instead of the canadian bacon being in slices it's now in chunks, it's just not the same.  But Jacks has a good bacon cheeseburger.  Here's my thing Heggies and Lotza Motza are more like a pizza you would order from a Pizza Hut or something but if I want that, I'll just order a pizza from Pizza Hut or where ever.  I like the Tombstones for a frozen pizza because they're not too messy.  Just my opinion and I know it's controversial lol



Tombstone & Totino's are OK if you want to save $$$, but you guys in the Midwest are lucky to have Home Run Inn pizza, from an actual restaurant in Chicago.The best, IMHO.... I used to be able to get it in Denver, but it doesn't exist on the East Coast.

The other delicacy you can't get on the East Coast is Pork Green Chile. They never heard of it back East, even at the "Mexican" restaurants. They think you're talking about Salsa Verde... totally different. Its a New Mexico/Colorado thing, basic food staple. Guys from Arizona or California might know what I'm talking about.... wink



BStrawser26
June 19, 2025 at 04:34:38 AM
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Chalk another up for the HL.  The Woo are getting beat a good bit this year!


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Rico - 9 wins
Donny - 0 wins That is right the big fat zero!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Murphy
June 19, 2025 at 06:39:03 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 04:34:38 AM

Chalk another up for the HL.  The Woo are getting beat a good bit this year!



Yep, the WoO got beat by a NASCAR driver last night. How did Rico do?




BStrawser26
June 19, 2025 at 06:51:11 AM
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Posted By: Murphy on June 19 2025 at 06:39:03 AM

Yep, the WoO got beat by a NASCAR driver last night. How did Rico do?



The HL driver Larson followed by another HL driver Bayston.  How did the 15 do?  Rico still has 8 wins Donny still has 0 that is zero wins!


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Rico - 9 wins
Donny - 0 wins That is right the big fat zero!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Parnelli1970
June 19, 2025 at 06:58:08 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 04:34:38 AM

Chalk another up for the HL.  The Woo are getting beat a good bit this year!



Nobody cares but you.



Cool Trikes
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June 19, 2025 at 09:36:22 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 06:51:11 AM

The HL driver Larson followed by another HL driver Bayston.  How did the 15 do?  Rico still has 8 wins Donny still has 0 that is zero wins!



As of tonight Larson will have run as many Outlaw races as HL. So I guess by Friday he'll definately be an outlaw having run more outlaw races than HL.




dsc1600
June 19, 2025 at 11:41:02 AM
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Posted By: Cool Trikes on June 19 2025 at 09:36:22 AM

As of tonight Larson will have run as many Outlaw races as HL. So I guess by Friday he'll definately be an outlaw having run more outlaw races than HL.



Larson on team WoO. Even the co-owner of High Limit realized what is the top series. 



BStrawser26
June 19, 2025 at 01:47:57 PM
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Posted By: Cool Trikes on June 19 2025 at 09:36:22 AM

As of tonight Larson will have run as many Outlaw races as HL. So I guess by Friday he'll definately be an outlaw having run more outlaw races than HL.



Larson is a HL driver that loves to beat up on the outlaws.  Just ask him.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Rico - 9 wins
Donny - 0 wins That is right the big fat zero!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

POOKY
June 19, 2025 at 02:01:07 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 01:47:57 PM

Larson is a HL driver that loves to beat up on the outlaws.  Just ask him.



Well i like my Weeines with Mustard. Besides me, no one else cares, Kinda like what you say




Parnelli1970
June 19, 2025 at 03:06:42 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 01:47:57 PM

Larson is a HL driver that loves to beat up on the outlaws.  Just ask him.



Hahahaha you are such a little child. I can't imagine that ever being something I would care about but go ahead Spridle argue away.



Cool Trikes
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June 19, 2025 at 03:30:42 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 01:47:57 PM

Larson is a HL driver that loves to beat up on the outlaws.  Just ask him.



Guess he has to go to the Outlaw shows for tougher competion to challenge his skill set.

I know a guy that worked at Camel Express too. He says you're just bitterat the world because they threw a big going away party for you, but you weren't invited.



armyduke
June 19, 2025 at 04:25:31 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 01:47:57 PM

Larson is a HL driver that loves to beat up on the outlaws.  Just ask him.



There's a kid in wapakenetta who identifies as a cat.  Just ask him




egras
June 19, 2025 at 04:27:39 PM
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This just in:  The Florida Panthers beat the Edmonton Oilers in 6 games Tuesday night.  It was their 63rd win this year for the High Limit Panthers against the NHL.  

In other news, Oklahoma City will attempt to become only the 3rd High Limit team to win the NBA title tonight at 7:00 when they face the Pacers.

In National news, warm temperatures look to invade much of the United States this weekend, as a warm front, ushered in by the High Limit, looks to overtake the cold air and force it back into Canada.  Storms are also predicted during this transition.    

In world news, Iran does not appear to be able to propel attacks from Israel.  In a statement, the defense minister of Iran said "The High Limit affiliated state of Israel has too much firepower for us to defend successfully."  

 

Does this sound stupid?  It should.  It's similar to declaring Larson and Day HL drivers.  



Murphy
June 19, 2025 at 05:15:30 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 19 2025 at 01:47:57 PM

Larson is a HL driver that loves to beat up on the outlaws.  Just ask him.



He won't be a factor Saturday night for the big money. In fact, I'd bet he won't even be in the A feature.





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