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Everyone on here has very strong, and differing opinions about the WoO and HL.  However, one thing we can all agree on------keep the fabricated, drama-laced, playoff garbage on Sundays.  My Lord that's turned into a fiasco.  Please HL and WoO, whatever you do, don't take the bait and think you need to make the points chase less organic, and more "exciting" for the fans. 

No matter what you thought of the decisions made by officials post-race, 3 of the top 4 or 5 drivers of 2024 aren't even elligible to run for the title next Sunday.  The system is completely broken, and they haven't picked up on it yet............................

1000%

The playoff format is the dumbest thing in all of racing. I was done with NASCAR before that but won't even look at it now.

I agree.. Lucas Oil taking that bait is a damn shame.  Keep that NASCAR stuff in NASCAR and out of my dirt track racing.   Playoffs and Charters have NASCAR in a helluva mess and we need to stay 1,000 miles away from NASCARizing our dirt racing. 

Same here.   Haven't attended or watched a NASCAR race in more than four years now and haven't missed it.   

100% agree.

They've also turned what they call racing to planned yellows.

I watch NASCAR for Larson. I won't tune in for Phoenix but I'm sure I'll watch some again next year. Playoffs and the chase have always been a joke. I really just want to watch good racing and not a ridiculous made up points battle. Another hot take is the new Atlanta and Superspeedway packages doesn't feel like real racing.  3 wide for 200 laps and no one can pass a car with out wrecking. It takes some skill to understand the aero draft for sure but it's not the skill I'm accustomed to seeing in racing.

Agree.  I also watch to follow Larson.  (and Bell)  I cannot sit down and watch a race from start to finish unless I am REALLY bored.  And by race, I mean race-----not, as you alluded to, the "races" of Atlanta, Daytona, and Talladega.  If Nascar wants to have a garbage playoff system, can they at least be smart enough to leave "races" that aren't really races out of the Chase.  The answer is no.  They are too dumb, and there are too many "race fans" that enjoy this type of 3 wide for 200 lap nonsense.  

2 of the 4 drivers in finals are there because 2 other drivers got DQ BY OFFICIALS.  i DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG BUT IT IS NOT THE WAY ONE WOULD THINK THEY WANTED IT TO HAPPEN.

All the more reason for the argument to keep this crap out of dirt track racing.

Ever since they went to this Chase, Playoff, BS thing in 2004 I think they may have only had 3-4 years where the champion probably should have actually been the champion. Manufactured drama is all it is. And to make matters worse the race they have to crown a champion is probably at the worst possible track you could pick to have a good race for the stupid car that you have given the teams. And to add to the issue, about 10yrs ago you threw the book at 1 team for manipulating the system, here you had 3 or 4 teams manipulating it and you come up with something stupid to penalize Bell on. You don't want anyone riding the wall like 2yrs ago but yet its ok for multiple cars to go backwards with their spotters telling them remember the deal. And the little slap on the wrist they just gave those teams is not anywhere close to what they did years ago. 

I'm sure Nascar did not want it that way.  If they don't, they should get rid of the ridiculous format, and award the drivers with the best performance the chance at the title.  Bowman was not one of these drivers, so I don't even know why everyone was so up in arms about his disqualification due to a very real rules violation.  Who did it put in the championship?  Logano----who also doesn't deserve to be there.  You are correct though---Nascar did not want what they ended up with.  Black eye for Nascar.  

Should have been way more harsh on both teams. Nothing they did will prevent it from happening again. I can't imagine sitting behind a guy on the track and being told to not pass or you won't have a ride. - and yes I realize that's not what was said but if you don't think that was implied you are crazy. 

I think you're correct on the 3-4 years of the deserving champ being crowned-----and 2 of those took last second drama to even ensure that!!!  Larson and Harvick both deserved the years they won, but had to pull off late race heroics to seal the deal.  DUMB!   While we're at it, Ole-7-time (as dipshit Darryl calls him) should be Ole-2 or 3 time.  He and Chad were master manipulators of the stupid Chase format, and the beneficiaries of some timely luck, not 7 time champions.  Gordon should have been a 6-8 time champ.  

I think someone input the results a couple of years ago using the old format to see who would have won the championship. I think they also put it based on the pt differential they do now to. I think the only champions that stayed the same were Stewart in 05, Johnson in only 2yrs of the 5yr streak, Harvick in 14, and Truex. This was before Larson's championship who probably had it wrapped up the week before using the old system. 

The information even showed that there would have been multiple years where the difference between 1st and 2nd would have been minimal, 3 times the winner would have came in 2nd to the last race. A few years there would have been a 3-4car battle anyway.

I was always a Jeff Gordon "hater" and loved when he dropped out of the race because he was good. But the piece of information I found interesting is that he would have been a 7time champion and the last year of his career going into the last race he would have had a shot of winning his 8th. That would have been a huge story and probably would have drawn more people single handly than anything this whole playoff has done. I was not a fan of his but the top 3 drivers at least as far as influence would be Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, and Jeff Gordon. Not the 1st two and Johnson. Johnson was a great driver but I am sorry, he is not a 7 time champion like the other 2. Tony Stewart's championship in 11 is not like Kulwicki's in 92. The battle between he and Edwards was great but Elliot vs Kulwicki was better and more influencial.

Honestly the whole Crapcar idea of Larson and sweet doping the "Charter" thing is one reason I do not attend or plan on attending their events! Lucky for me I live in a WoO stronghold area so I have the opportunity several times a year to attend WoO events, dont need the crapcar drama at amy sprint events!

100% on almost all.  However, I will say, I think Tony winning 5 of the last 10 races of the year made him one of the more legit of all of the playoff era winners!

As I've stated 100 times before, I hate F1 racing.  I do, however, think their points system is the best there is.  (as a matter of fact, I run a poker league and we use the F1 points system to determine our end of year "points" winners)   I wonder how it would work out if Nascar Cup seasons were plugged into the F1 points system?  I'm willing to be my house Terry Labonte's 2 wins in 1996 don't beat Jeff Gordon's 10!  (and before anyone gives me the consistency garbage, they both had 21 top-5's and 24 top 10's, so that's out the window)   

I think the old points system was flawed as well, but 10,000 times better than this garbage.  

I was actually at the race in Martinsville on Sunday and the on-track racing was actually pretty darn good. Long green flag runs meant lots of traffic. I think Blaney restarted 10th with 80 some laps to go and won without any of NASCAR's manufactured cautions. The playoffs and the decisions at the end are another story completely but the on-track racing was pretty good.

Something most of us here will appreaciate and I wish I got a better picture of it was after all the victory lane celebrations were over and almost everyone left there were three guys left on the stage talking...Ryan, Dave, and Dale Blaney. 

Tony had an impressive 5 out of last 10 races but looking at the first 26 races, he would have most likely been out of the running unless the other drivers had issues. I think he only had 2 top 5's in the first 26 races and I think overall he finished out of the top 10 half the time.

The Terry Labonte, Matt Kenseth, and Benny Parsons years I would say were outliers. There are always going to be situations that when the math adds up makes you take a double take because when you compare the stats that are kept and wonder how did it happen. But when it happens only 2-3 times in 50+ years I would say that is a pretty good ratio. 96, I think was one of those years that Gordon won 10 but Labonte was finishing not far behind. Fast forward 10 years you had almost the same scenario with Gordon and Martin winning I think more than half the races but yet Gordon didn't really have any bad finishes but Martin did. Still, I would rather have a point system where every position, every race, and point counted vs we have these races then we are going to reset, then reset again, and again, and again. And oh by the way, you are still racing against the same competition so even though a guy may have 6-7wins, and has finished out of the top 10 only a few times, he still may not be eligible to win the championship.

The final 4 nascar drivers finish in the top 6 and the other 2 are sprint car drivers. I think it is funny those two couldnt force themselves to yield to the entitled and not race against them. Glad i didnt watch. A google search is enough for me.

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!