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November 10, 2023 at
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Just curious is this really a High Limit vs World of Outlaws or is this a Flo vs DirtVision thing. From what I have been hearing the race tracks have to make a decision on Dirtvision or Flo from there then they can decide on what races can be held there. So now we are saying the streaming has taken over the tracks. Streaming has done several great things for racing but also one huge bad thing and that is taking fans out of the actual seats at the track. We watch a ton of races thru streaming and love it, but WOW Flo and DitVision can now dictate who gets to race at what track. Why don't we just change the names. World of Outlaws is really owned by Dirtvision and Highlimits is really owned by Flo. When the schedules come out I wonder if any of the tracks are allowing flo and dirtvsion on the same track. Maybe Eldora will I don't know.
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November 10, 2023 at
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Do you really think that Flo and DirtVision have that much influence on race tracks and promoters? I doubt it and hope that is never the case. Flo and DirtVision should do the events they are a part of reguardless of the tracks affiliation.
I have only chose to not attend one Sprint Car race in person and then planned to watch it on Flo when I saw it was available. Unfortunately it was rained out partially into the program. So I was happy I did not get rained on! I still prefer being in the stands vs watching dirt track races on TV.
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November 10, 2023 at
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Posted By: HGP The Village on November 10 2023 at 08:47:41 AM
Just curious is this really a High Limit vs World of Outlaws or is this a Flo vs DirtVision thing. From what I have been hearing the race tracks have to make a decision on Dirtvision or Flo from there then they can decide on what races can be held there. So now we are saying the streaming has taken over the tracks. Streaming has done several great things for racing but also one huge bad thing and that is taking fans out of the actual seats at the track. We watch a ton of races thru streaming and love it, but WOW Flo and DitVision can now dictate who gets to race at what track. Why don't we just change the names. World of Outlaws is really owned by Dirtvision and Highlimits is really owned by Flo. When the schedules come out I wonder if any of the tracks are allowing flo and dirtvsion on the same track. Maybe Eldora will I don't know.
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Who do you think is the cash-cow for Nascar, MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA? TV. Period. Gate $$$ is fun and all, but the real money is made from the TV deals. Sprint Car racing finally got the memo. Like it or not, streaming is going to be THE driving factor going forward. It will also evolve greatly as the next few months and years pass.
I'm afraid what's going to eventually hurt the High Limit viewership is the lack of driver contracts. When the first High Limit "west coast swing" hits, and there are literally 1 or 2 "series points" drivers in attendance, people will be turned off. Don't get me wrong, I think the racing and car counts will be just fine. However, people want a series, and I don't think the High Limit will end up being a series. The average fan is going to get sick of Sweet running every race and running away with the points. I won't----I believe in capitalism, so Sweet should be the guy everyone has to beat. But the fans that have been clamoring for this to take place are going to tire very quickly, and will begin to turn on the series----hell, they already did last year and it was only a 4th of the races.
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November 10, 2023 at
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Seems like everybody is trying to get a piece of the pie! In the end it will likely be the fans that pay the price.
Starting to think I liked Sprint Car Racing better back when it was one of Americas best kept secrets.
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November 10, 2023 at
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Posted By: Paintboss on November 10 2023 at 11:21:24 AM
Seems like everybody is trying to get a piece of the pie! In the end it will likely be the fans that pay the price.
Starting to think I liked Sprint Car Racing better back when it was one of Americas best kept secrets.
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Bingo. Next thing you know we will have "playoffs". Heck already happened in late models. I just want to see a good race the night I'm there and let the points fall where they may. Watching "point racing battles" is One of the most overrated things in motor sports. I just want to see a good race between two or more cars right then and there.
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November 10, 2023 at
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Tonight at 8:00 pm on Youtube I will be announcing which series I will be following for 2024. WoO/ Dirtvision or Hight Limit/ Flo Racing.
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November 10, 2023 at
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Posted By: saphead on November 10 2023 at 11:39:13 AM
Tonight at 8:00 pm on Youtube I will be announcing which series I will be following for 2024. WoO/ Dirtvision or Hight Limit/ Flo Racing.
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Link? 
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November 10, 2023 at
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Posted By: egras on November 10 2023 at 10:51:08 AM
Who do you think is the cash-cow for Nascar, MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA? TV. Period. Gate $$$ is fun and all, but the real money is made from the TV deals. Sprint Car racing finally got the memo. Like it or not, streaming is going to be THE driving factor going forward. It will also evolve greatly as the next few months and years pass.
I'm afraid what's going to eventually hurt the High Limit viewership is the lack of driver contracts. When the first High Limit "west coast swing" hits, and there are literally 1 or 2 "series points" drivers in attendance, people will be turned off. Don't get me wrong, I think the racing and car counts will be just fine. However, people want a series, and I don't think the High Limit will end up being a series. The average fan is going to get sick of Sweet running every race and running away with the points. I won't----I believe in capitalism, so Sweet should be the guy everyone has to beat. But the fans that have been clamoring for this to take place are going to tire very quickly, and will begin to turn on the series----hell, they already did last year and it was only a 4th of the races.
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Over the years many people have said they wanted to take sprint car racing "To the next level!" Well....
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Posted By: Murphy on November 10 2023 at 12:37:01 PM
Over the years many people have said they wanted to take sprint car racing "To the next level!" Well....
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^This^ +1
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November 10, 2023 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 10 2023 at 12:37:01 PM
Over the years many people have said they wanted to take sprint car racing "To the next level!" Well....
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And over the years that next level many times ends going down instead of up.
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Posted By: IADIRT on November 10 2023 at 11:34:13 AM
Bingo. Next thing you know we will have "playoffs". Heck already happened in late models. I just want to see a good race the night I'm there and let the points fall where they may. Watching "point racing battles" is One of the most overrated things in motor sports. I just want to see a good race between two or more cars right then and there.
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That LM race was fantastic though, honestly.
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Thank you for raising these points and sparking conversation about the evolving relationship between streaming platforms and basket random. It's a topic worth exploring further as we navigate the changing landscape of motorsport.
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conflicts are arising due to streaming services, Lucas Oil Speedway has dropped the ASCS races at their track, which I have to wonder if it's because ASCS is now Dirtvision and Lucas Oil (late model series) is Flo.
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Posted By: egras on November 10 2023 at 10:51:08 AM
Who do you think is the cash-cow for Nascar, MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA? TV. Period. Gate $$$ is fun and all, but the real money is made from the TV deals. Sprint Car racing finally got the memo. Like it or not, streaming is going to be THE driving factor going forward. It will also evolve greatly as the next few months and years pass.
I'm afraid what's going to eventually hurt the High Limit viewership is the lack of driver contracts. When the first High Limit "west coast swing" hits, and there are literally 1 or 2 "series points" drivers in attendance, people will be turned off. Don't get me wrong, I think the racing and car counts will be just fine. However, people want a series, and I don't think the High Limit will end up being a series. The average fan is going to get sick of Sweet running every race and running away with the points. I won't----I believe in capitalism, so Sweet should be the guy everyone has to beat. But the fans that have been clamoring for this to take place are going to tire very quickly, and will begin to turn on the series----hell, they already did last year and it was only a 4th of the races.
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LOL
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March 08, 2024 at
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In ten years everything will probably be streming. Most people under 30 don't have cable anymore. Many professional sports are looking into making their own streaming channels.
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Posted By: egras on November 10 2023 at 10:51:08 AM
Who do you think is the cash-cow for Nascar, MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA? TV. Period. Gate $$$ is fun and all, but the real money is made from the TV deals. Sprint Car racing finally got the memo. Like it or not, streaming is going to be THE driving factor going forward. It will also evolve greatly as the next few months and years pass.
I'm afraid what's going to eventually hurt the High Limit viewership is the lack of driver contracts. When the first High Limit "west coast swing" hits, and there are literally 1 or 2 "series points" drivers in attendance, people will be turned off. Don't get me wrong, I think the racing and car counts will be just fine. However, people want a series, and I don't think the High Limit will end up being a series. The average fan is going to get sick of Sweet running every race and running away with the points. I won't----I believe in capitalism, so Sweet should be the guy everyone has to beat. But the fans that have been clamoring for this to take place are going to tire very quickly, and will begin to turn on the series----hell, they already did last year and it was only a 4th of the races.
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OK Nostradamus
Can you give us non-seers next week's Lotto numbers while you're at it.
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Posted By: larsonfan on March 08 2024 at 02:35:35 PM
OK Nostradamus
Can you give us non-seers next week's Lotto numbers while you're at it.
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You should open your eyes.
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Posted By: Parnelli1970 on March 08 2024 at 02:41:46 PM
You should open your eyes.
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And see what exactly?
Are you one of seers into the future as well?
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Posted By: larsonfan on March 08 2024 at 02:46:49 PM
And see what exactly?
Are you one of seers into the future as well?
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You act like Sprint car racing is all Flo has. It's a sports channel for a lot of other things. If they don't see a return of investment then yes this will go bye bye like NASCAR did at ESPN.
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Posted By: Parnelli1970 on March 08 2024 at 04:42:34 PM
You act like Sprint car racing is all Flo has. It's a sports channel for a lot of other things. If they don't see a return of investment then yes this will go bye bye like NASCAR did at ESPN.
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FloSports does lots of events. Sprint Cars appears to be a small portion of their yearly offerings.
I suspect Flo is not taking a risk financially on anything. Folks in the TV production business seldom do that. It is a high profit business in general. The folks backing the High Limit Series likely have way more at risk financially. Larson has pretty deep pockets (estimated net worth $12 million) , not as much for Sweet (estimated $3 to $5 million net worth) and there may be others . . . . . . .
FloSports had a post-money valuation in the range of $100M to $500M as of Jun 4, 2019 , according to PrivCo.
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