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instead of hearing news of more factory stock drivers.........instead see that there will be 3 less. Are the factory drivers fighting for their class as hard as certain pro stock guys have fought for theirs? And the few that I talk to as well as others here don't think the rule change or whatever will help a thing. Anybody wandering exactly what we will see the first couple of factory races in 08?

Is it a feasible option to combine the pro's and factory's? I say combine - but really I think bout half the remaining factory's should move up to pro anyway. has this ever really been seriously considered by fs drivers and those who make the decisions?

I ask this because usually I just deliver an opinion about it - and in this topic not much ask specific questions to get specific answers............and before any sarcastic remarks - yeah I know it's a long long way off - but so far reports of 3 less - and no reports of more - kinda makes you wonder what short and long term options remain if an engine claim is not to ever be considered b/c head honcho doesn't want to deal with it....................

these overnight shifts suck bad.....................

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Was told the #15 factory stock of John Baker also got a modified. No word on anybody moving up/to factory stocks.

David Smith Jr.
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From what i undrestand there are 2 more leavin. That is not my brother and i.��� dusty

You can add me to that list!!! I will not run SFS. I plan on running Ada & Brill some this year. Some one want to give me a ride in a mod, I'll be there every week!!!!!!

As for combining the 2 classes, I don't think that would be fair to make the factory guys have to buy aluminum heads, or run steel heads with a restrictor plate. They can alter the aluminum head now, and I have heard the steel heads, the old ones that f/s's run, flow better than aluminum. Thats a bunch of crap!!! I do know that some of them do because of "acid porting"! There are a few pro guys that don't want to change that class because they run up front every week. Not naming anyone because that is just what I was told. Don't know who acid ports in f/s class but I was told it was being done. This is just hear-say but it came from a reliable sorce!

I am glad that SFS is still open because of Lanny but it has gone to crap in the last couple of years. Why is it that he runs street stocks & late models at Devil's Bowl but won't listen to anyone here about making the stock classes into street stock? Could he not get a big class of S/S cars weekly if it went that way?

Anyway this is just my opinion & stuff that I heard! So take it for what you want!

Flash
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good lengthy opinion there Flash - I like it.

I'm not sure I agree about the fairness statement. With the motors some are running I highly doubt it would be a money issue.......it seems now that the top 5 in that class don't care how many there are - it's almost like they are racin against just each other and thats it. I know thats not always the case - but take bad luck and stuff aside and the top 4 would be the 8, 65, 90, and 87 most of the time. I think all 4 of those obviously have talent - but between the talent and more so the EQUIPMENT there is a huge gap between the top and bottom. Some are just showing up almost as field fillers......every class t every track has this scenario - but for god's sake these are SUPPOSED to be FACTORY stocks. I'm not intending to "call out" anyone - or offend em - but why do some of these guys want to still run factory stocks? It almost seems like they don't move up to pro because then they would have to run near the same of what everyone else is running (with the bordix spec head) whereas in the factory stocks they have a clear advantage over the rest of the field.

I've hoped they would pretty much combine the 2 stock classes. I like the pro's. They were always a good class. And aside fromt he spec head what has hurt them the most would have to be the situation with the factory stocks. If they just did an engine claim alone - I highly doubt the top 5 factories would continue to run what they do so it could be claimed......so they'd either not race or move up to pro's. I don't think all would move up to pro's. Just a few. But it would make a big difference and get the pro's back up to close to 20 cars most weeks. And of the handful of factories that would exit the class - I think realistically close to a dozen more would enter it. Maybe not every week. But a few from the area along with a couple from other local saturday night tracks. It pisses me off that Lanny gave all those ultimatums to the pro stocks but not near the attention was given to the factories. Could we all agree that 14 pro's are much more understandable than 16 factory's? It also pisses me off that instead of making moves to improve both classes - by either combining them or by inserting REAL rules that would have a positive effect (ie engine claims)...............if either fall to low counts he'll probably replace them with limited modifieds. And I don't want to see that at SFS. I think maybe the majorty would agree. Or at the least the limited mods could be brought in as a 5th class once the pro's and factory's have pretty much been combined (however that would be one).

I'm not so sure that SFS is still open because of Lanny - everything was already in place here for it to be a great track - he just made obvious moves - and more importantly - had the money and resources to make those moves. and the good that was here well before he was - he is screwing up. a prick without a rulebook can't fare too well in the long run. But he always will - not because he is a good promoter - but because he's fortunate enough to have the Silver Spoon - the Chili Bowl. I understand he doesn;t want to deal with much of the post-race stuff - but if he spent just a very small amount of money there would be no problem gettin people to take protests, tech cars, and enforce the rules. But he does not seem willing to spend that small amount of money that would have a extremely positive impact in both the short and long term. man I should stop there before I go on an even larger rant. sorry this one is as long as it is.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Hello everyone, good to finally be here.

I know I am still a beginner in the factory stock division and don't know quite as much as most of you guys here, but from talking to different people and reading posts on here for the last few months i totally agree with an engine claim rule at SFS or any other track for that matter. In my opinion it would create better, more competative racing while almost certainly increasing car counts if everyone is running basically the same equipment. Not to mention giving rookies like me a chance to at least compete with the guys who blow everyone elses doors off week in and week out.

Just my two cents

Justin "Sleepy" Mathis

I don't think the loss of car count is due to the "fast cars". I think it has alot to do with the way Lanny runs the track. After looking through my programs last year, there were 11 different winners in the factory stock. Becker didn't even win a feature. You say there are only 4 cars that compete every week. How about the 55 and 26. There are also fast cars that are new and the drivers just need a little more experience.

clemmons has been around for years , and he just bought the 26 not to long ago . so there's another car out of the mix . I have to Disagree with the Lanny part . Truth is the price of everything is goin up but the workin mans paycheck is stayin the same , the people that got it flaunt it , and it's just gettin too hard to compete with money . Don't get me wrong like u said there were 11 different winners this year thats some pretty good numbers but the single time winners mostly came with a good startin spot . All in all the class has outclassed itself and hopefully its not too late to save the class . Its my favorite class out there .

winners dont cry when they lose , they go back to the 
drawing board and come back for round 2 !

the engine claim rule will never work, because with claims comes threats. there are about 7 or eight factorys out there that are fast, the 85 65 8 37 90 87 55 73. these guye are all good enough and fast enough to move to prostock. the factory class needs to be a beginners class.

Well out of those that you mentioned, the 73 is moving to modifieds, the 37 to champ sprints, the 8 to pro stocks and would think the 85 would go to modifieds or champ sprints as well.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

the 8 to pro stocks?????????/ sweet................

not many horses gonna be left for this race....................

I still think it's kick ass that so many of last year's fs drivers are moving up and on. Seems there are only a few left to do the same and then what? would we have a fs class that is a real beginners class? or see limiteds? We seem on the path of being the only dirt oval I can think of that does not have a beginners stock class - although one could argue we've a;ready been there for some time..........

apples and oranges in the end though. what we do know is that the sprints will kick ass - the mods will be great - and even the pro's could have some more/new cars - good stuff. next March can't get here quick enough.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

So far what we have is the following:

David Smith Jr.
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who tattled on my plans to run mod to you david? lol that or you gather information more secretly than the cia

I get private emails all the time and thus far, they have been right on. Don't know who it is but they have only been wrong once so I kinda give them the benefit of the doubt. I quit trying to figure it out a couple of years ago and gave up trying to reply back as the email is always sent back too me as an error.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

By the way, anybody know what Tilly's plans are or while I am at it, "Tilly", what are your plans for 2008?

David Smith Jr.
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Well I kinda doubt Tilly will be back in a factory unless he builds another one. May that old car rest in peace by the way. I think it was older than me. lol. No matter what he's in you can guarantee two things though, it'll be a ford and it'll be fast!!!!

Bobby Springer #25

I think some of the low car count can be blamed on the racers and families that want to start fights every friday night! I know i'm not the only one that doesn't want to race somewhere you know if you race a certain couple of cars you have to worry about fighting and getting the windows knocked out of your personal vehicle or your tires slashed!!

just my opinion now i will go put my truck in the garage

amen to that!!

Just to add to the track antics , a few years ago Tilly got some bullet holes in his Factory stock , That was kind of crazy ! Bout 5 years ago somebody emptied a tubeof silicone in my fuel cell

winners dont cry when they lose , they go back to the 
drawing board and come back for round 2 !

Well then if all of what you all are saying is true, maybe it is good that all of you and others are moving to other divisions. I promise you that if the Buntins have questions that the likes of Jennings, Butlers and countless others in the champ sprint division would be glad to give advice and help out knowledge wise. For those moving to mods I am sure that Tony Anderson, Stanley, the Goforths and others would be glad to give their advice for you guys too.

I just shake my head at all the antics people do just for a first place trophy and a jacket or hoodie that just look exactly like others that made the top ten.

David Smith Jr.
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