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I saw on Twitter the WoO gave out $600k in point fund money yesterday, which is great considering how many races they lost this year. I know in the past the top 10 got paid roughly this:

1) $150,000

2) $75,000

3) $55,000

4) $50,000

5) $45,000

6) $41,000

7) $37,000

8) $34,000

9) $31,000

10) $30,000

But this money is split between owner/driver, which in the past didn't matter but this weird year it does. So JJR was 2nd in owners points and Gravel was 6th in drivers points, does that mean they got half of the $75k and half of the $41k? Same with Shark racing, 3rd in owner's points and 2nd in drivers points.

Also, PPM ran the whole year I think with the Outlaws but I don't think was ever platinum, does he get money for being 9th in points?

Yes, the amounts you listed are basically split in half, one half awarded to the Driver finishing in that position and the other half to the Owner finishing in that positon.

       Driver                                                 Owner

1. Sweet                                            1. KKR
2. Schuchart                                      2. JJR
3. Schatz                                           3. Shark Racing 1s
4. Haudenschild                                4. TSR
5. Macedo                                         5. SMR
6. Pittman                                         6. KLR
7. Allen                                             7. Roth
8. Kinser                                           8. Shark Racing 1a
9. Sides                                             9. Kinser Racing
10. Johnson                                       10. Sides Motorsports
11. Daniel                                          11. 2c Racing
12.                                                     12. MDR

I don't believe Gravel or PPM are platinum drivers due to Gravel missing three races to race in the trucks and PPM racing outside of the Outlaws a few times, most notably Terry's Parks Jefferson race in SD. 

What's the difference between Full Time Drivers as listed on https://worldofoutlaws.com/sprintcars/drivers/ and Platinum Drivers? Both Gravel and Rose are listed as full time drivers on the WoO website. And in the case of PPM, has there ever been a driver that has run a full season of points (every race) and not considered a full time driver? Seems a bit silly to discount a driver for 1 weekend in South Dakota while zero racing was happening anywhere else, yet it's perfectly okay for a portion of the outlaws to run non-WoO shows (360 show in Cali, PA weekly shows during an off week.) I understand if you want to discount David for running the NASCAR shows and missing 3 nights, but to take away PPM's year because he particpated in Terry's show that essentially restarted the racing world is pretty bogus.

Parker ran east bay too. hafertepe and zearfoss Tried to do the platinum member ship but couldn't because of East bay as well

There aloud to run races as long as they have permission. 

The way wrg strong arms teams is bullshit. Intentionally missing races, ok I'll give them that one. If there is a show and there is no conflicts, a team should be able to compete. My question, does the slm abide by the same set of rules ?

The old days of race where you want when you want are long gone. The WOO was started to help the racers and TJ be able to make more money.Not much different when Rick Ferkel,Bobby Allen, Allison Brothers ,Neal Bonnnet,and Red Farmer used to pick where the money was best.The money and rule book have changed racing. The WRG has done everything they said they would as there was resistance to them at first.We have seen in football,basketball,baseball,and racing when the players or drivers split and try it on their own.Someone has to be in charge.I agree if there isnt another race and they have let racers race sometimes.Not sure what Jason Sides conflict deal was but he is back with 2 cars on occasion.

Their organization, their rules. Those that don't like it don't have to participate.

The WoO is protecting their brand, as always. It works and the point fund as mentioned above is pretty solid.

As stated by others, there were drivers that ran East Bay (ASCOC) in February that later attempted to join the Outlaws but were denied as no Outlaw teams were permitted to run East Bay. The names that I heard were Zearfoss and Larson. Since they did run East Bay, they were reportedly unable to join because by allowing them to join, those drivers got to run races that Outlaw teams that committed early could not. If, in fact, they told Larson he could not join the series that had to be a decision they really didn't want to make as I'm assuming they would have like for him to be on the tour but kudos to them for being consistent. As far as the SLM, WoO late models do not have a similar rule. The late models only run approximately 50 races over the course of a typical season. The explanation I have heard is since they race only that number of races, it is understood that a driver/team is not going to make their living off of that number of races. They simply don't have enough. Plus many of the late model crown jewels do not fall under Outlaw sanction. Finally in the late model ranks the Outlaws are comparable to the ASCOC while the Lucas Oil late models are the top sanctioning body. They aren't going to impose such restrictions when they clearly wouldn't have the clout to pull it off. In fact, I've never heard that Lucas Oil drivers have to ask for permission either. If anyone knows otherwise feel free to chime in. 

When I read Lucas Late models I interpret that to mean Lucas is the sponsor not the sanctioning body. Who is the sanctioning body of the Lucas late Models?

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series is a dirt late model touring series owned & operated by Lucas Oil. The series competes on dirt ovals across the United States, primarily throughout the east coast & the midwest. The cars feature a purpose built chassis design specifically for dirt late model racing. Wikipedia

They do.  The owner of Lucas Oil owns Lucas Oil Speedway in Wheatland as well. They sanction a bunch of different series under the Lucas banner. 

It looks like this has already been answered but yes they aren't simply a sponsor.The owner of Lucas Oil Forrest Lucas also owns MavTV which is available on cable and satellite TV. There is also PPV Lucas Oil TV which has Roku and Firestick apps. They carry many of the late model events but not all as well as other Lucas Oil sponsored events. Lucas Oil tv reportedly gets assistance from their sister company MavTV making their PPV broadcasts top notch. 

Another question about the points fund money. Does anybody know if both driver and owner share a little of the wealth with crew members, only the owner or is it really just a case by case basis? As a kid it was all about the drivers, but after growing up some and seeing how important team work is in the real world, I like to see the behind the scenes folks get their fair share as well.