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July 27, 2020 at
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If you run the majority of your races outside of Posse territory, you're not posse. Simple as that. If you run all over the midwest while living in California, you're an outlaw. It's not that hard. Otherwise at this point, you guys might end up claiming anybody without the name "Schatz" as posse.
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July 28, 2020 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 27 2020 at 07:40:00 PM
Front row hoes lived up to their moniker yet again because cushion was half way down the race track. Normal track conditions and Dewease would have taken home the $20k Sat night. Dewease should have spun Gravel out, like Gravel did little Stevie for the National Open. Jonestown Posse KOA campground that sponsors Stewart and Gravel had a good weekend however. 7 degrees of Posse relativity is still alive and well,as it is with Team Scruffy.
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Honest question- It looks like 7 out of the last 10 WoO races were won from the front row. How does that compare to the last 10 races at your local tracks in PA? I tried to do some research, starting with Lincoln, but their results didn't seem to show starting positions.
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July 28, 2020 at
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Lance was able to block Sweet like the master he is, but I was struck by how many times the top Outlaws drove by Posse guys all weekend. Time trials is usually owned by the Woo but the Posse usually races just as good. Schatz blew by Lance and Zearfoss on Friday, Gravel screwed up and let Zearfoss by in the dash on Saturday and blew right on back by on a track that was tough to pass on. Pittman raced up from 7th to 3rd in a heat at Lincoln.
The Posse actually drew well in the dashes and had some advantages going out early for the pill draws at the Grove, 2 things that usually matter and still got spanked. Poor Cubes.
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July 28, 2020 at
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Posted By: JJRFan on July 27 2020 at 09:42:11 PM
If you run the majority of your races outside of Posse territory, you're not posse. Simple as that. If you run all over the midwest while living in California, you're an outlaw. It's not that hard. Otherwise at this point, you guys might end up claiming anybody without the name "Schatz" as posse.
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Spot on...I'll give two other examples. Stevie Smith. He cut his teeth in Central Pa and was considered Posee. Once he went out on the road with the Hamilton #77 and Motter #71 he was an outlaw, even when he raced back in Central Pa. The local fans treated him as such. At the twilight of his career, when he ran the Rahmer #51 and raced the majority of races in Posse land, he was considered a member of the Posse, and again the local fans treated him as such. The other example is Greg Hodnett. He started out as an outlaw, but later moved to Central Pa and raced for almost 20 years as a Posse. Most local fans no longer consider Shark Racing, Schuchart & Allen, as Posse, they are outlaw drivers.
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July 28, 2020 at
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Why do you think the locals have lost their edge?
time trails ? - since they run the place every week, they should know the fastest way around for a couple laps
horsepower? - doubful - half, if not more, of the big dogs get motors from the porch
And I think that when many, but not all, leave the porch to run with the big dogs, their porch game isn't as good. They might be better all-around but lost a bit on their home tracks. But, i could be wrong - again....still
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Gravel is the guy to beat on night 2 anymore
Still think the posse/former posse winner of last year's open was better off in his own stuff. CJB's got the stuff but not the mojo - ask the guy to beat on night 2
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July 28, 2020 at
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Here is my take:
Hodnett was an outlaw killer. Rose to the occasion when the outlaws were in town. He knew how to time trial and run just hard enough in the heats to get into the dash.His replacement, Ryan Smith is a good young driver, but until last week he had no bonafide crew chief. Hope Heffner still has patience to finish the season to see if he improves. Tough spot for him to replace a Hall of Famer
Dewease: Lance has not been the same since Davey Brown stopped building the engines. Stll very formidable against the outlaws, but just missing something. Just a tad off.
Dietrich He had flashes of speed when he toured with the All Stars for a few weeks. Some over agressive driving and some poor luck has derailed him over the last few weeks. His team will right the ship.
F. Rahmer: He timed very poorly last week which put him behind all three nights. Still one of the young lions of Central Pa with a long career ahead of him.
Wolfe He has not been the same driver since crashing last year and injuring his back. A new crew chief and chassis change has not helped at all. This team is struggling to figure things out
Marci A breakout year for 21 year old Anthony. He has won as many features so far this year as he had combined in his short career. Enjoy watching him now becuase he will be the next Posse driver to leave the porch
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July 28, 2020 at
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Posted By: railfan33 on July 26 2020 at 12:07:03 PM
All kidding aside, my son and I were talking last night about how the excitement of WoO vs Posse has lost a lot of it’s luster over the past couple of years at least for us. In the past, didn’t know for sure who would pull into victory lane. Pretty much a guarantee it will be WoO or an invader now days.
Some of the lack of top ten finishes by locals this weekend was self inflicted (DD taking out Freddie and Zearfoss while fighting for top five, then DD taking himself out). Macri loosing it at the Grove while running 5th.
Some bad luck, Lance loosing a wheel cover and wheel packed with mud. DD blowing an engine while in top ten. But that’s racing and you have to accept that.
What’s more concerning to me is just the overall drop in performance of the posse teams especially over the last two years. Certainly loosing Greg was a big part of it. But teams that historically were contenders are pretty much no shows of late. The Hefner 72 and Trone 39 are no longer factors. (Certainly no disrespect to Ryan because I think he’s a very capable driver). Lucas just can’t seem to get the 24 moving forward and the Zemco car is for lack of another term, a ”one track wonder”.
DD and the 3z run hot and cold, a lot of cold lately. Quite frankly, I think they’ve been better on the road than at home. Brian Monteith is also cold this year. Some of the finishes have been due to mechanical failure, but the Edge just doesn’t seem to have it this year. Again, not trying to demean anyone, just offering my opinion based on observations this year.
On a bright note, looks like Macri is gonna be a good one. Hope he hangs around.
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At the Grove, you can be reasonably sure that whoever starts on the pole is who will be pulling into victory lane.
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July 28, 2020 at
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Posted By: bgtexpress on July 28 2020 at 01:58:20 PM
Here is my take:
Hodnett was an outlaw killer. Rose to the occasion when the outlaws were in town. He knew how to time trial and run just hard enough in the heats to get into the dash.His replacement, Ryan Smith is a good young driver, but until last week he had no bonafide crew chief. Hope Heffner still has patience to finish the season to see if he improves. Tough spot for him to replace a Hall of Famer
Dewease: Lance has not been the same since Davey Brown stopped building the engines. Stll very formidable against the outlaws, but just missing something. Just a tad off.
Dietrich He had flashes of speed when he toured with the All Stars for a few weeks. Some over agressive driving and some poor luck has derailed him over the last few weeks. His team will right the ship.
F. Rahmer: He timed very poorly last week which put him behind all three nights. Still one of the young lions of Central Pa with a long career ahead of him.
Wolfe He has not been the same driver since crashing last year and injuring his back. A new crew chief and chassis change has not helped at all. This team is struggling to figure things out
Marci A breakout year for 21 year old Anthony. He has won as many features so far this year as he had combined in his short career. Enjoy watching him now becuase he will be the next Posse driver to leave the porch
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69k has definitely not been as fast since they went with Rider engines. I'm not knocking Rider either, they're one of the best in the biz. But what baffled me was that they made the switch right before they went to Knoxville. One of the fastest cars in the country at the time and they stop using Davey Brown motors the week they go out for the Nationals. I will never understand that decision.
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July 29, 2020 at
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Chalk up another big win to the Outlaws tonight.
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July 30, 2020 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 29 2020 at 11:07:38 PM
Chalk up another big win to the Outlaws tonight.
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Heard things got a lil chippy between the 48 and the 51 again. This isn't a "respectful" "friendly" rivalry either. These guys , along with their teams flat out do not like each other. And it's fun to watch because they're both good. We need this in racing.
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July 30, 2020 at
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Posted By: turn4guy on July 30 2020 at 03:39:51 AM
Heard things got a lil chippy between the 48 and the 51 again. This isn't a "respectful" "friendly" rivalry either. These guys , along with their teams flat out do not like each other. And it's fun to watch because they're both good. We need this in racing.
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Danny can flat out wheel a sprint car and based on talent alone, I think he's one of the better ones in the country. But every time I'm this close (holds up thumb and forefinger together) to thinking, "Hey, I think he's finally stopped saying and/or doing dumb stuff" he does something like he did last night. Going after a guy while he's still strapped in his car is bush league. If you want retribution, square up face to face after the fact.
That being said, I'm interested to see what happens next between these two.
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July 30, 2020 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 29 2020 at 11:07:38 PM
Chalk up another big win to the Outlaws tonight.
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Another win off the front row on a track no one could pass on. Gravel passed 1 lapped car in 37 laps. Followed Cisney for last 20? laps. Haven't heard from Stawser on the wonderful Lincoln track prep. That was a disgrace for a $10,000 to win race.
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July 30, 2020 at
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Posted By: railfan33 on July 30 2020 at 10:08:23 AM
Another win off the front row on a track no one could pass on. Gravel passed 1 lapped car in 37 laps. Followed Cisney for last 20? laps. Haven't heard from Stawser on the wonderful Lincoln track prep. That was a disgrace for a $10,000 to win race.
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Went 9th to 3rd in his second heat to earn the pole. It's not like he picked it out of a hat.
Lincoln is very hit or miss with track prep and for some reason gets almost universal praise.
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July 30, 2020 at
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Posted By: railfan33 on July 30 2020 at 10:08:23 AM
Another win off the front row on a track no one could pass on. Gravel passed 1 lapped car in 37 laps. Followed Cisney for last 20? laps. Haven't heard from Stawser on the wonderful Lincoln track prep. That was a disgrace for a $10,000 to win race.
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What? Lincoln having follow the leader racing and the winner coming from the front row? I thought it was the best prepared track on the east coast? I've been going to Lincoln for about 40 years and the last couple have not been great as far as the racing goes. I don't know if its because everyone can have a fast car these days if they start up front, or if its the surface of the track and the way its prepared and I doubt Putney has forgot how to work a track but maybe he isn't giving much of a shit anymore. I've stopped going there weekly about a year ago, I still hit some shows but it isn't the race track it used to be. Maybe the big mouth of track prep can step up and help his new favorite track out.
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July 30, 2020 at
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Me thinks with Central PA weather more like Central Texas lately, track prep may be a bit of a challenge.
The big dogs are neat, but when I had the great fortune of spending every Friday night at the Grove for a summer, I looked forward to a regular show after a weekend of the big dogs - and it's been about a month or so of at least some big dogs in town.
Maybe this weekend some good PA money - though much less of it- will stay in PA......maybe. Outlaws are at Wayne County Saturday (if it's still on) and All Stars are farther west.
Larson's gotta be getting antsy by now. Hopefully weekly money isn't enough to make the tow.
A LOT of money left the state in the last month. Some, maybe half ?, would have likely stayed here if the outlaws - World of, or true - had some other place to race. The locals gotta be feeling it by now.
Full disclosure - yep, I'm a homer 
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So I just read that there is a 250 max capacity limit for outdoor gatherings. And the PIAA just announced that no fans will be permitted at any school athletics this year. I can't belive Governor Dumb Fuck didnt shut these tracks down yet. We went through Speedweek and three Outlaw shows with huge crowds.
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Went 9th to 3rd in his second heat to earn the pole. It's not like he picked it out of a hat.
Lincoln is very hit or miss with track prep and for some reason gets almost universal praise.
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Heats were definitely more entertaining than A Main, maybe due to double heat format?
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Posted By: turn4guy on July 30 2020 at 02:55:57 PM
So I just read that there is a 250 max capacity limit for outdoor gatherings. And the PIAA just announced that no fans will be permitted at any school athletics this year. I can't belive Governor Dumb Fuck didnt shut these tracks down yet. We went through Speedweek and three Outlaw shows with huge crowds.
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So whats the COVID status in Central Pa. now?
I'm tempted to hit USAC Midget tour, but not in a big, unmasked crowd. If I get sick, my 97 yr. old Mom is screwed....
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Situation is our moron Governor put 250 max capacity on outdoor events with masks required. I was at William's Grove last weekend for the WoO and there was probably 15,000 people there and nobody was wearing a mask. I'm not trying to snitch on our racetracks but I don't understand why they haven't been shutdown with the new covid mandates. Our fall sports aren't allowed to have fans due to the 250 capacity limit. I just dont understand the logic. But yeah man, if your looking out for your Mom I wouldn't come to Pa right now.
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Posted By: turn4guy on July 30 2020 at 03:39:51 AM
Heard things got a lil chippy between the 48 and the 51 again. This isn't a "respectful" "friendly" rivalry either. These guys , along with their teams flat out do not like each other. And it's fun to watch because they're both good. We need this in racing.
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Yea I like them both more so little Freddie but DD can dish it out like he did there last week at the outlaw race but he can't take it on the receiving end like last night. Shoud have been DQ for the night and not just the heat race or getting out of his car while on the track.
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