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Nick14
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Posted By: RodinCanada on March 12 2020 at 04:54:39 PM

Many Canadian hockey leagues  in the age groups if 15 to 20 yr old players have postponed all games until further notice. Heard rumblings about the NHL and other American junior leagues also. Most Canadian leagues are into playiffs now.



NHL and minor and junior leagues have suspended play until further notice



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Posted By: revjimk on March 12 2020 at 07:15:45 PM

I heard some doctor on TV say death rate was 10 to 20 times worse than the flu. So I checked it out. It differs in various areas & age brackets, but he's pretty much right:

Death rate

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu. 

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. Another study of about 1,100 hospitalized patients in China, published Feb. 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that the overall death rate was slightly lower, around 1.4%.

Still, the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%, according to the China CDC Weekly study. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. No deaths in children under 9 have been reported. 

Though the death rate for COVID-19 is unclear, most research suggests it is higher than that of the seasonal flu.



It was Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. He wanted to “make sure” viewers knew that the coronavirus “is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu — you got to make sure that people understand that.”



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Hockey Canada shut down all games and practices effective  March 13. That means every hockey level from initiation/3 yr olds to WHL

 

 


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March 13, 2020 at 12:54:56 AM
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It's funny how things have changed in the last 24-36 hours not humorous but interesting.  I haven't taken this seriously and I hadn't had a conversation with any of my co-workers about this.  But for no other reason than all the sporting events and leagues being either cancelled or suspended, it's made people take notice.  For me the simple reason is the billions of dollars this is going to cost and other ramifications.  

My thoughts are this, just be consious about things, like you should be any time.  But now be more consious.  For instance wash your hands, cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze and just be aware of other people's bodily fluids.  But for now, I don't think anyone would be offended at this point if you don't shake their hand, if you're standing in an enclosed room with someone, stay as far away from that person as you can, stay 5 or more feet away from other people if possible and avoid big crowds.  And avoid the nasty fuckers if you can, we all know the type who don't really care about personal hygene or spreading germs.  For me bodily fluids in general gross me out, so it's not a huge adjustment for me.

However, here's the facts.  Be consious about everything and you probably aren't going to get it.  And if you do get it, it's probably not going to kill you.  There are roughly 331 million people living in the US right now and as of this writing from what I could find there is 1,215 total cases of the corona virus and so far 36 deaths in the US.  These numbers will probably go up but as of right now according to these numbers and my math there is a .000004 percent chance you will catch it and a .0000001 percent chance that this is going to kill you or a loved one.  But outside of some events not happening and maybe missing some work, this is more than likely not going to affect anyone reading this.  And if it does, watching every piece of news footage on this or panicking to much isn't going to change anything, go to the doctor and they will do what they can for you.

But I will say this.  I would much rather have the situation we're in right now, where I think some people are panicking too much and having people talk about it and be consious of it than having this virus that nobody hears about.  I promise you this, it will go away and in a year, nobody will be thinking about this.



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Posted By: hardon on March 13 2020 at 12:54:56 AM

It's funny how things have changed in the last 24-36 hours not humorous but interesting.  I haven't taken this seriously and I hadn't had a conversation with any of my co-workers about this.  But for no other reason than all the sporting events and leagues being either cancelled or suspended, it's made people take notice.  For me the simple reason is the billions of dollars this is going to cost and other ramifications.  

My thoughts are this, just be consious about things, like you should be any time.  But now be more consious.  For instance wash your hands, cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze and just be aware of other people's bodily fluids.  But for now, I don't think anyone would be offended at this point if you don't shake their hand, if you're standing in an enclosed room with someone, stay as far away from that person as you can, stay 5 or more feet away from other people if possible and avoid big crowds.  And avoid the nasty fuckers if you can, we all know the type who don't really care about personal hygene or spreading germs.  For me bodily fluids in general gross me out, so it's not a huge adjustment for me.

However, here's the facts.  Be consious about everything and you probably aren't going to get it.  And if you do get it, it's probably not going to kill you.  There are roughly 331 million people living in the US right now and as of this writing from what I could find there is 1,215 total cases of the corona virus and so far 36 deaths in the US.  These numbers will probably go up but as of right now according to these numbers and my math there is a .000004 percent chance you will catch it and a .0000001 percent chance that this is going to kill you or a loved one.  But outside of some events not happening and maybe missing some work, this is more than likely not going to affect anyone reading this.  And if it does, watching every piece of news footage on this or panicking to much isn't going to change anything, go to the doctor and they will do what they can for you.

But I will say this.  I would much rather have the situation we're in right now, where I think some people are panicking too much and having people talk about it and be consious of it than having this virus that nobody hears about.  I promise you this, it will go away and in a year, nobody will be thinking about this.



Excellent post, especially the last two paragraphs.  



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Posted By: hardon on March 13 2020 at 12:54:56 AM

It's funny how things have changed in the last 24-36 hours not humorous but interesting.  I haven't taken this seriously and I hadn't had a conversation with any of my co-workers about this.  But for no other reason than all the sporting events and leagues being either cancelled or suspended, it's made people take notice.  For me the simple reason is the billions of dollars this is going to cost and other ramifications.  

My thoughts are this, just be consious about things, like you should be any time.  But now be more consious.  For instance wash your hands, cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze and just be aware of other people's bodily fluids.  But for now, I don't think anyone would be offended at this point if you don't shake their hand, if you're standing in an enclosed room with someone, stay as far away from that person as you can, stay 5 or more feet away from other people if possible and avoid big crowds.  And avoid the nasty fuckers if you can, we all know the type who don't really care about personal hygene or spreading germs.  For me bodily fluids in general gross me out, so it's not a huge adjustment for me.

However, here's the facts.  Be consious about everything and you probably aren't going to get it.  And if you do get it, it's probably not going to kill you.  There are roughly 331 million people living in the US right now and as of this writing from what I could find there is 1,215 total cases of the corona virus and so far 36 deaths in the US.  These numbers will probably go up but as of right now according to these numbers and my math there is a .000004 percent chance you will catch it and a .0000001 percent chance that this is going to kill you or a loved one.  But outside of some events not happening and maybe missing some work, this is more than likely not going to affect anyone reading this.  And if it does, watching every piece of news footage on this or panicking to much isn't going to change anything, go to the doctor and they will do what they can for you.

But I will say this.  I would much rather have the situation we're in right now, where I think some people are panicking too much and having people talk about it and be consious of it than having this virus that nobody hears about.  I promise you this, it will go away and in a year, nobody will be thinking about this.



I will disagree with your .000004 percent chance of getting it.  This spreads like a seasonal cold/flu.  If left to spread like the seasonal cold/flu, this will infect about 15-30% of the population-----making your chances 15-30%.  (I don't buy the doctors that are saying up to 70% of the population----I will keep it real like the actual seasonal flu/cold numbers)

 

Also, the 10x deadlier than flu death rate estimate is an optimistic estimate.  Some are saying 10x IF it turns out there are many unknown and unaccounted for cases.  Currently, the death rate is approximately 34-37 times higher than flu because they have grossly underestimated the number of mild cases.  It will fall in as 5-15 times deadlier than the seasonal flu. 

 

I also read a piece by a doctor in Italy.  That doctor stated that Italians were just as cocky as Americans in the early days of their breakout.  Same invincible feeling.  Because it didn't affect them----since they were young and healthy----life continued like normal.   They were saying the same things:  "flu kills thousands every year, why the hype about 10 people"  then "flu kills thousands every year, why the hype about 50 people"   then "flu kills thousands every year, why they hype about 250 people?"  

 

Now, he says he and 2 of his collegues, who work in hospitals in 3 of the hot spots in Italy, are witnessing the same thing.  Chosing who to give venhilators to, patients laying in the hallway of the hospital gasping for air, and no one with other issues to treat being attended to.  

 

He said we in America could have learned a lesson from that and what happened in South Korea, but I'm not sure we did before it was too late.  I think we did it quicker than China, South Korea, and Italy did, but it's hard to tell with the lack of testing kits just how far this reaches.  I would guess the current rate of infection to be in the 10,000+ and the deaths to be in the hundreds at this point----we just haven't caught up to the numbers yet.  We've all seen what happens in other countries when this is left unchecked-----why are we so cocky here to believe that we "tough" Americans are immune to the same disaster?  

 

The right moves are being made.  It's going to be tough, and I don't think this is the only time we are going to be making some major sacrifices.  I would expect some of your fall/winter sports and plans to be in serious jeopardy too---unless they can make some of the anit-virals work.  

 

Oh, and hardon, I agree with your one assessment-----this is very unlikely to kill you and there is well over a 99% chance you will be here next year at this time and things will be back to normal. 




Nick14
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Posted By: hardon on March 13 2020 at 12:54:56 AM

It's funny how things have changed in the last 24-36 hours not humorous but interesting.  I haven't taken this seriously and I hadn't had a conversation with any of my co-workers about this.  But for no other reason than all the sporting events and leagues being either cancelled or suspended, it's made people take notice.  For me the simple reason is the billions of dollars this is going to cost and other ramifications.  

My thoughts are this, just be consious about things, like you should be any time.  But now be more consious.  For instance wash your hands, cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze and just be aware of other people's bodily fluids.  But for now, I don't think anyone would be offended at this point if you don't shake their hand, if you're standing in an enclosed room with someone, stay as far away from that person as you can, stay 5 or more feet away from other people if possible and avoid big crowds.  And avoid the nasty fuckers if you can, we all know the type who don't really care about personal hygene or spreading germs.  For me bodily fluids in general gross me out, so it's not a huge adjustment for me.

However, here's the facts.  Be consious about everything and you probably aren't going to get it.  And if you do get it, it's probably not going to kill you.  There are roughly 331 million people living in the US right now and as of this writing from what I could find there is 1,215 total cases of the corona virus and so far 36 deaths in the US.  These numbers will probably go up but as of right now according to these numbers and my math there is a .000004 percent chance you will catch it and a .0000001 percent chance that this is going to kill you or a loved one.  But outside of some events not happening and maybe missing some work, this is more than likely not going to affect anyone reading this.  And if it does, watching every piece of news footage on this or panicking to much isn't going to change anything, go to the doctor and they will do what they can for you.

But I will say this.  I would much rather have the situation we're in right now, where I think some people are panicking too much and having people talk about it and be consious of it than having this virus that nobody hears about.  I promise you this, it will go away and in a year, nobody will be thinking about this.



By in large I agree with all of this, although I would say that it might be too early and too small of a sample size to forecast numbers at this point. Myself, I am not concerned with dying from the virus although I do have respiratory issues in general which means that I am already consious of that already. I'm really not all that concerned of getting the virus other than the common thought of I really don't want to be sick in general. Not with a cold, allergies, flu, Coronavirus, food poisoning, anything. Only mild concern I have is some of the elderly in my family like my dad who has had a history of breathing issues. One thing that our local health board said earlier this week is that with our given population in the city and surrounding counties, if the thing spreads even at a certain percent (forget the actual number but it wasn't a real high number) then our hospitals will not have the capacity to treat this along with everything else they treat. I think that is the main reason why a lot of these precautions are being  taken, not because of just the virus, but because of the virus and everything else.

As you said, be consious of hygene which is something that we all should be doing all the time. I saw people making jokes last week about the whole washing hands thing and I was like that is something you should always be doing especially coming out of a restroom.

 



Johnny Utah
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Former President Franklin Pierce said it best when he said, "There's nothing left to do, but get drunk."

I hit up the liquor store last night for three bottles of bourbon to add to my collection. If I'm going to be stuck at home for two weeks, which seems pretty likely at this point, it ain't gonna ruin my fun.

Giddyup!



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Former President Franklin Pierce said it best when he said, "There's nothing left to do, but get drunk."

I hit up the liquor store last night for three bottles of bourbon to add to my collection. If I'm going to be stuck at home for two weeks, which seems pretty likely at this point, it ain't gonna ruin my fun.

Giddyup!



      Is your collection bottles of bourbon, or just empty bottles?




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Posted By: Johnny Utah on March 13 2020 at 08:59:11 AM

Former President Franklin Pierce said it best when he said, "There's nothing left to do, but get drunk."

I hit up the liquor store last night for three bottles of bourbon to add to my collection. If I'm going to be stuck at home for two weeks, which seems pretty likely at this point, it ain't gonna ruin my fun.

Giddyup!



I'm stocking up as well Smile



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      Is your collection bottles of bourbon, or just empty bottles?



If I buy it, I drink it. I don't believe in buying any bottle just to keep and look at. Obviously, the more expensive it is, the more judicious I am in how much I consume it, or who I share it with.

 

But, I have a pretty well stocked bar in the basement. I think the last time I counted, I have like 40+ bottles of various goodness.



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World of Outlaws have postponed till 4/9/2020




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This is from Silver Dollar Speedway, I might go just because I would have a good shot at a good seat LOL 

CHICO, CA – March 13, 2020…Racing has been given the green light for tonight’s event at the Silver Dollar Speedway. However, the Speedway and its officials have closely been monitoring the State guidelines and are only going to allow the first 250 people into the grandstands to attend tonight’s show. People attending this event must sit six feet apart

Rod



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This is from Silver Dollar Speedway, I might go just because I would have a good shot at a good seat LOL 

CHICO, CA – March 13, 2020…Racing has been given the green light for tonight’s event at the Silver Dollar Speedway. However, the Speedway and its officials have closely been monitoring the State guidelines and are only going to allow the first 250 people into the grandstands to attend tonight’s show. People attending this event must sit six feet apart

Rod



good luck but I'm  sure the top row will aready be covered in blankets with only one person sitting there. 

Is this cause its too late to cancel or something? 250 won't pay the bills. cant see this becomeing the norm.



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good luck but I'm  sure the top row will aready be covered in blankets with only one person sitting there. 

Is this cause its too late to cancel or something? 250 won't pay the bills. cant see this becomeing the norm.



Nope.  Let's hope this is only the norm for about4-6 weeks




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This message was edited on March 13, 2020 at 04:53:56 PM by beezr2002

Lincoln speedway in Pa is still on for tomorrow as is Port Royal. Sunday is the opener at the Grove. Sprint car racing is the norm in PA.



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Lincoln speedway in Pa is still on for tomorrow as is Port Royal. Sunday is the opener at the Grove. Sprint car racing is the norm in PA.



The norm?  I'm lost on what that means. 



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Nope.  Let's hope this is only the norm for about4-6 weeks



" the norm"   Since you typed it first I would expect that you know the meaning of ths term Chicken Little




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I will disagree with your .000004 percent chance of getting it.  This spreads like a seasonal cold/flu.  If left to spread like the seasonal cold/flu, this will infect about 15-30% of the population-----making your chances 15-30%.  (I don't buy the doctors that are saying up to 70% of the population----I will keep it real like the actual seasonal flu/cold numbers)

 

Also, the 10x deadlier than flu death rate estimate is an optimistic estimate.  Some are saying 10x IF it turns out there are many unknown and unaccounted for cases.  Currently, the death rate is approximately 34-37 times higher than flu because they have grossly underestimated the number of mild cases.  It will fall in as 5-15 times deadlier than the seasonal flu. 

 

I also read a piece by a doctor in Italy.  That doctor stated that Italians were just as cocky as Americans in the early days of their breakout.  Same invincible feeling.  Because it didn't affect them----since they were young and healthy----life continued like normal.   They were saying the same things:  "flu kills thousands every year, why the hype about 10 people"  then "flu kills thousands every year, why the hype about 50 people"   then "flu kills thousands every year, why they hype about 250 people?"  

 

Now, he says he and 2 of his collegues, who work in hospitals in 3 of the hot spots in Italy, are witnessing the same thing.  Chosing who to give venhilators to, patients laying in the hallway of the hospital gasping for air, and no one with other issues to treat being attended to.  

 

He said we in America could have learned a lesson from that and what happened in South Korea, but I'm not sure we did before it was too late.  I think we did it quicker than China, South Korea, and Italy did, but it's hard to tell with the lack of testing kits just how far this reaches.  I would guess the current rate of infection to be in the 10,000+ and the deaths to be in the hundreds at this point----we just haven't caught up to the numbers yet.  We've all seen what happens in other countries when this is left unchecked-----why are we so cocky here to believe that we "tough" Americans are immune to the same disaster?  

 

The right moves are being made.  It's going to be tough, and I don't think this is the only time we are going to be making some major sacrifices.  I would expect some of your fall/winter sports and plans to be in serious jeopardy too---unless they can make some of the anit-virals work.  

 

Oh, and hardon, I agree with your one assessment-----this is very unlikely to kill you and there is well over a 99% chance you will be here next year at this time and things will be back to normal. 



Ok, you're completely right, my statement was wrong.  What I said was the percentage of chance you have to catch it, not the amount of people who have it.  That's what I said and when I wrote that last night that is how I intended it but that's not correct.

I heard a statement on the radio today that kind of changed my perspective on how people handle this.  Basically what they said was that the fear with all this is the unknown, and everyone handles the unknown differently, kind of like the "fight or flight" response.  Please don't take anything I'm about to say as an insult as I really don't mean it that way.  But from reading what you have said, you believe this is going to be a big thing that very well could kill lots of people.  I personally believe that within two months this won't be a threat anymore and life will be back to normal with very few people (percentage wise) being affected.  However, I have no way to know that.  Just like you have no way to know this will be a bad thing, there's lots of "if" statements in your response and quoting the opinions of a doctor.  I understand you feeling this way and even though I feel different, I do respect your opinion.

The main point I was trying to make with my statement was.  IN MY OPINION, it doesn't do anyone any good to let this control your life.  I don't think it helps anyone to read or watch every piece of news footage on this.  And also to understand that "if statements" and opinions aren't facts or an indicator of what's going to happen, no matter who says it, even you acknowledged how some doctors have different opinions.  Basically I don't think it's healthy to live in paranoia or fear, enjoy every day for what it is, since nobody is guaranteed tomorrow.  However as I said that doesn't mean to act stupid or irresponsible, take the precautions for not just you but everyone else.  In my opinion I don't think the fact that you fear this more than I do makes you any less likely to get it than me.  I am taking the precautions and even though you fear this more than I do, there's nothing saying that someone being careless (or a young child) couldn't give it to you.

Again, I'm not trying to insult you, just a respectful debate.



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By in large I agree with all of this, although I would say that it might be too early and too small of a sample size to forecast numbers at this point. Myself, I am not concerned with dying from the virus although I do have respiratory issues in general which means that I am already consious of that already. I'm really not all that concerned of getting the virus other than the common thought of I really don't want to be sick in general. Not with a cold, allergies, flu, Coronavirus, food poisoning, anything. Only mild concern I have is some of the elderly in my family like my dad who has had a history of breathing issues. One thing that our local health board said earlier this week is that with our given population in the city and surrounding counties, if the thing spreads even at a certain percent (forget the actual number but it wasn't a real high number) then our hospitals will not have the capacity to treat this along with everything else they treat. I think that is the main reason why a lot of these precautions are being  taken, not because of just the virus, but because of the virus and everything else.

As you said, be consious of hygene which is something that we all should be doing all the time. I saw people making jokes last week about the whole washing hands thing and I was like that is something you should always be doing especially coming out of a restroom.

 



I agree with too small of a sample size to trust the numbers.  Personally I don't really trust any of the numbers out there especially when it comes to death rates.  For the simple reason, nobody knows how many people really have this or even the flu.  I've never gone to the doctor when having the flu, in fact I think I just got over the flu a couple weeks ago.  I'm sure there are millions more out there like me who don't go to the doctor when they have the flu, which skews the results.  Just like this, I'm sure there's lots of people that have it and we will never know about most of the people that do.

However you do bring up a good point about respiratory issues.  I guess, what concerns me more about this is the long lasting effects of this.

As far as the people making jokes about washing hands, those would be the people to stay away from.





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