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Not sure the extent of the 69k's pissed off level, but if it's bad enough I think it's well known of the "grudge level"   Ask Selinsgrove Speedway.

So who is considered a crew member ? In Lance's Victory Lane photo on the Hoseheads front page, I count 18 people. Are these all considered crew ? Must Donny say to all of them," Everybody to the box and don't move !".   Absurd !

Maybe if all the people that walked out  went to the track office and demanded their money back, something surely will be done to correct the injustice.

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I thought the exact same thing.....it has been many years since you have seen the 69K race at Selinsgrove. Despite all the recent upgrades and several promotors later.....I truely hope it doesn't happen with BAPS as well. The ironey is both Donny & Lance have run very well at both tracks over the years and have caashed a lot of big checks.......

I hold the All Stars responsible on this one, BAPS still had to pay the purse so I didn't even consider trying to go up there I'm sure they are already disappointed with how the night turned out. If the All Stars wants to refund the fans for that BS on the other hand I'm all for it. I'll take my $22 in the form of a donation to the Wounded Warrior Project. 

I like to think they would understand BAPS had their hands tied. As the people were streaming out of the track on lap one the security guard at the gate was telling everyone it was the All Stars not the track. I'm sure if Soctt would of tried to put a stop to it the ASCOC would of just stopped the race or had their guys pull off which would have been just as bad for the fans. 

Do not be so sure, it was only a couple of years ago they DQ'd Danny for being late to staging. That was not a sanctioned event.  For decent money anyone will come, but for a 5000 show they may have lost 4 of the top teams.

What I wish would have happened was after 1 team was DQd everyone in the box should have stepped over the line so everyone was disqualified, or since they would not have DQd everyone, everyone would have been left on the track.

It has been stated that Tony made decisions and it seemed like possibly while this was happening or soon after. I thought he was at another track,, so was it actually all star staff making the decision? He doesnt seem to be the guy who runs everything he owns. I have heard him say that he trusts his people to run things. Curious to know how hands on he is for things like this.

Anyone know?

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

He was on track at the time, so he probably didn't have a complete idea what was going on. I like to think he probably wouldn't have been cool with it, he's a business man after all -- a successful one at that. He did an interview with Sprint Car Unlimited and talked about how they are making some changes to make sure this never happens again, and he paid the drivers that were affected (normally no pay when DQed) so obviously he does not think the ASCOC was fully in the right, and either way probably understands that doing this will cost them fans (and drivers) in the long run. He did say he was going to call each of the drivers personally as well.

As far as I know, Smoke was just another racer on Sunday and the call was from the All Star Race Director and officials.....he just had to deal with all the aftermath. 

So Im sure when Tony talks to the teams and, he will, it will be mended.  And youll see these teams at All Star races.  Wonder if some of these fans will do the same?  Or are these fans perfect and have never made mistakes?

We will see, I suggest they reach out to not just the drivers affected at BAPS as well. Obviously they aren't making many friends at any of the PA tracks. If some changes are made I will go to an ASCOC race again for sure, I was a HUGE fan of the ASCOC and have said many times on here that I preferred them to the Outlaws. Maybe that is why I'm so upset about it because I had such a high opinion of them previously and had talked the All Stars up to a bunch of people. 

I see yalls point on this...it sucked.  But if they do make it right, I see no reason to boycott.  I also stand by my statement if this was at Williams Grove and they dqd Reutzel, Blaney, Eliason and Gee they would have been cheering.  Just as if it was a Outlaw show and if they Dqd Schatz.  People feel indignation when it benefits them(not saying you are doing that) but alot of people do.

I fully disagree there. We get to watch Danny, Lance, Ryan, Freddie and the rest of the Posse every week for $15. We paid extra all weekend without complaining because we want to watch them race against the All Stars (and the same is true when the Outlaws are in town). An Outlaw win with Schatz or Sweet getting a DQ, or an All Star win without Reutzel, Eliason or Blaney because of some stupid rule does not mean nearly as much. There is no way I would ever cheer for a DQ because honestly I go to watch the Posse outdrive those guys, not turn laps while they are loading up. I'd like to think the All Star fans feel the same way about the Posse. 

This guy is perfect obviously.

He'll beat this dead horse until Tony Stewart himself lands his helicopter in his front yard, personally gets down on his hands and knees, begs for W2Motorsports forgiveness for the most-egregious sin of DQing his favorite driver, and presents him his precious twenty two dollars back.

Nah, even after that, he'll still be on social media crying and throwing the All Stars under the bus, even though he now acknowledges that Tony and the All Stars are trying to make right. He "might" be back if the All Stars alter their rules to his satisfaction.

Then, after all his hissy fits, there he'll on Saturday, standing in line at the Port Royal ticket booth for the Tusky 50.....

I'm going to be so excited to post here on September 7th to let you know what I'm doing that day. Who knows what I'll do, maybe I'll go to another state, or country on a trip, or maybe to a new track I've never been to. Maybe I will sneak onto Tony's property in Indiana and go fishing. One thing I can absolutely assure you of though, is that I won't be at Port Royal - I've already written that one off, and donated my ticket money to Wounded Warrior Project as you've probably seen since you are bitching about me posting on social media. If some changes are made and the BS rule is axed we will see for future races - I'd love to support Hagerstown's event. One thing is for sure I love Sprint Car racing, I go to 70+ races per year, but it isn't my only interest in life. 

150 plus replies in a couple days. Some sort of record. I just read an interview on Facebook with smoke on the matter. Dude sounds very understanding with why folks are pissed as well he sounds upset as a competitor as well. At same time, no matter how stupid I’d one thinks the rule iis or the ensuing punishment was,at the time it was a rule and it was consistently enforced and, as Tony stated if a rule is to be enforced it should be done consistently. He sounded very serious about fixing the issue right away, making amends with the teams affected, and making sure it doesn’t happen again. Be it a smart business move or just what he feels is right doesn’t matter, he’s doing what he can to fix it. No matter what or how bad he , we or anyone wants to what’s done is done and time to move forward. Now if he makes good on his promise and you as a team , fan or whatever still wants to hold a grudge, well toughski shitski. Your just a pigheaded sob that no matter what he did to try to please you it wouldn’t be enough. For the rest of us let’s move on.ive certainly got hosed outta way more in my life than $22 and we get it your upset. The true measure of an adult is how well we handle disappointments   Now, if said issue happens again, all bets are off. Until then let’s act like adults. We’ve all fucked up before and will again. If I’ve offended you by trying to act reasonable I could care less. 

DakotaDude

Jeff, I have followed your posts for years on both 4M (when you were a DLM fan) and on here as a fairly new sprint car fan. You were always level headed, gave good insights from an average fan's perspective and were fairly balanced with your opinions. As a former promotor yourself, it is like someone highjacked your user name with this whole BAPS/All Star incident and now suddenly you are off the deep end and won't let this go......Tony will correct the situation. What happened to you? In some strange way, I do think you believe all this ranting and raving will somehow help right the wrong......the only thing that will make things right is time and short memories  by all involved.

BigTex exactly what I was trying to say, nail hit on proverbial head sir.  Game set match  

Fortunately I was not at Baps on Sunday due to other commitments but cant believe something like this was allowed to go down.My question is where were the three people most in charge of the night of racing the Promoter Scott Gobrect,Race Promoter Colten Gouse and All Star Promoter Tony Stewart  (sorry about any spelling) most likely Tony was in his car but it is his series and I hear it was a long Red so could he not help in the decision?

Baps has had problems before recently Deitrich so they will most likely be alright my concern is for races coming up at Bedford,The Grove and Hagerstown maybe Friday at Port remember last year Deitrich left Friday and surely Florida.

The 50 and Dirt Classiic will be ok either way weather permitting.

YORK HAVEN, Pa.: Tony Stewart probably rolled into BAPS Motor Speedway Sunday night thinking he would only have to worry about wearing one hat, or in this case, helmet.

The former NASCAR champion is now a regular competitor in the Sprint Car ranks, but he also owns the Ollie’s Bargain Outlet All Star Circuit of Champions, one of the top series in dirt-track racing. And on most nights, Stewart can compete in an event and let his people handle the inner workings of the series without any interference or direction from his end.

Not this time.

The All Stars were featured during the Justin Snyder “Salute to the Troops” program at the speedway. An incident occurred at the start of the main event that not only forced Stewart into his series ownership role, it could mean some rule changes in the near future.

Two months ago, the series implemented the rule that if any crew member for a team leaves the designated work area other than during an open red flag or to work on the car, the team would be disqualified. On Sunday, Danny Dietrich, Ryan Smith, Anthony Macri, Lance Dewease, and All Star regular Skylar Gee were penalized for the infraction during a closed red flag on the opening lap of the 30-lap feature.

Controversy followed. Some drivers involved showed their displeasure over the rule itself and not being told about the possible penalty involved if such an infraction occurred. That same sentiment spilled into the grandstand, as a sizable group of fans showed their disgust by leaving before a lap was complete.

Stewart, who finished 11th in the final feature rundown, changed out of his driver’s suit after the race was complete and headed to the All Star Circuit of Champions trailer to discuss what transpired.

“So, the driver’s meeting, we were told we had to stay in a four-coned area,” Stewart said. “It was mentioned multiple times and the penalty is disqualification, the same as Joliet.

“Now, as a competitor, I’m fuming that five guys are getting thrown out of the race and that those five drivers had no control over what those crew members were doing. From a series owner, my series director did what he said in the driver’s meeting.

“He was consistent and followed through with the rule. The end result is a failure at the end of the night. We need to re-evaluate it and make sure this doesn’t happen again, and we will do that. We have already discussed it.”

Continued Stewart, “We aren’t going to let it happen again. It’s not fair to the drivers, it’s not fair to the teams, and it’s damn sure not fair to the fans.”

According to Stewart, the track was concerned about a particular spot in the infield and didn’t want fans or crew members in the area. To help with the situation, the All Stars had a designated work area to keep crew members in a confined space.

For the All Stars, policing the area can be a problem. The series only has so many officials at its disposal, which could make fairly monitoring the situation difficult.

“We don’t have the staff to police everyone in the quote on quote, ‘Designated Area’ and know who is with what teams,” Stewart said. “I feel for the drivers, because I’m a driver in that race. Those drivers can’t control where these people are.

“It’s not good. Chicagoland [Joliet], that rule was dictated by insurance. Those guys couldn’t be outside the area. This wasn’t one of those deals. This is a deal where the racetrack didn’t want people in a certain spot in the infield, but we can’t control everyone in the infield.”

Said Stewart, “We don’t have the staff to police that, and we need to be worried about what is happening on the racetrack, not what is happing in the designated pit area.

“So, we are going to re-evaluate how we do it and make sure this doesn’t happen again, because I don’t want to race without Danny Dietrich or Lance Dewease or Anthony Macri or Ryan Smith or Skylar Gee. Those are five guys who are the show, and I don’t want to come to Pennsylvania and not race against those guys. So, we are going to make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

Stewart is an old-school racer who has seen it all in this sport, and he understands that making something too complicated only leads to problems.

But, Stewart’s understanding doesn’t stop there. He knows that he needs cars and stars to have a quality race, and the fans coming out to support the event is what makes any series, or event, successful.

“I like the old concept of keep it simple-stupid, and that’s not simple,” said Stewart in regard to the implementation of the rule. “There wasn’t anything about that or how to control it that was simple.

“I understand if tracks don’t want people in certain areas. That’s fine. But, put their security people in to make sure of that. We don’t have the staff to facilitate that.

“I feel terrible for all five of those guys and their teams and all of the fans who came to watch those guys. I feel bad for the people who even liked Danny Dietrich getting thrown out. It’s not good for anybody, not good for the sport.”

It should be noted that Stewart has been penalized by his own series as recent as Friday when the All Stars visited the famed Williams Grove Speedway.

Stewart didn’t go to the right scales and had his time taken away, which put him at the rear of every event. The same happened to Dave Blaney.

Both drivers accepted their penalties and moved on. Still, Stewart understood the frustration over the incident at BAPS Motor Speedway and plans to reach out to each driver to explain the situation.

“I plan to call them,” Stewart said. “I’ve already talked to Skylar. He doesn’t like it, but he understands. I just watched multiple drivers come in and pat [Eric] on the back saying, ‘thanks for being consistent.’

“The worst thing you can do is not be consistent, even if it’s a bad situation. If that’s the rule, you ride it out the whole night. You don’t back away from it, because that makes things worse.

“At the end of the night, I came down as a competitor, first, and a series owner, second. I don’t like how this went, and we’ve got to make sure this doesn’t happen again. And we will make sure it doesn’t happen again.”