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"If the rule you followed, led you to this, of what use was the rule?"

-Anton Chigurh

You didn't get screwed out of $22. The races happened, heats were ran, feature went green, and there was a finish. Just because some of your locals DQ'd for not doing what they were told, doesn't mean you got screwed. Earlier this year Jac was DQ'd for not having a working raceceiver. I was slightly upset at the ruling but rules are rules & I watched and continue to go to All Star races. More teams followed the rules than didn't. Like I said, if it were 5 All Star teams that were DQ'd people would not be up in arms about this. It would be, geez don't the all Stars know how to follow their rules?

If you want to continue to stew over it & not go to perfectly good races that's on you go right on ahead but the rest of the world will move on. Tony has said they are going to review & take action to fix it so the punishment most likely will be changed. If you want to be so offended to not go thats your right, but to hope that others don't attend & boycott because it's the All Stars is anti productive. Tracks paid a lot of money for that race and no matter what people want to think, you need sanctioning bodies. They are not an evil empire as some make them out to be

They did screw me out of $22. I never would of gone in the first place if Lance, Danny, Anthony and Ryan were not there. That is the majority of the PA Posse, and certainly the best two. So I didnt get to watch the RACE I paid to watch, instead the All Stars tried to force some bullshit joke of a "race" (sort of how the wwe is "wrestling" ) on the fans and hundreds of them left. I do hope those fans remember that in a few weeks when they are deciding whether to support the bullshit that is the ASCOC, but whether they do or not it wont change the fact that I wont be there. 

I had been an All Star supporter, you can look back in my posts to confirm if you care to. But what I witnessed last night was the single biggest piece of bullsit I've ever seen at a race track. The Outlaw format sucks, the teams have huge budgets that dwarf the PA teams, and the crowds are nuts but one thing you can be sure of is that they dont do stuff like that. I prefer our weekly shows, but I'll go to an Outlaw show if it's in town but after last night I'll find something else to do when the All Stars are here. Like I said before, here in PA I can go to 70 races a year without ever even considering supporting one of those bullshit shows.

They did screw me out of $22. I never would of gone in the first place if Lance, Danny, Anthony and Ryan were not there. That is the majority of the PA Posse, and certainly the best two. So I didnt get to watch the RACE I paid to watch, instead the All Stars tried to force some bullshit joke of a "race" (sort of how the wwe is "wrestling" ) on the fans and hundreds of them left. I do hope those fans remember that in a few weeks when they are deciding whether to support the bullshit that is the ASCOC, but whether they do or not it wont change the fact that I wont be there. 

I had been an All Star supporter, you can look back in my posts to confirm if you care to. But what I witnessed last night was the single biggest piece of bullsit I've ever seen at a race track. The Outlaw format sucks, the teams have huge budgets that dwarf the PA teams, and the crowds are nuts but one thing you can be sure of is that they dont do stuff like that. I prefer our weekly shows, but I'll go to an Outlaw show if it's in town but after last night I'll find something else to do when the All Stars are here. Like I said before, here in PA I can go to 70 races a year without ever even considering supporting one of those bullshit shows.

After 87 replies to this post I just have to say this.....

”The sky is blue, water is wet and Satan Claus, he’s out there....”

Now I may have gotten the movie quote wrong but the point is this....no matter what happens, Sprint Car races will happen this coming weekend, races in Posseland, for the All Stars and WoO, along with tons of local races and other regional series will occur. I sincerely hope two significant things happen. First, I hope the All Stars clarify their rules beyond a shadow of a doubt and honestly, I have no doubt they will. Shit happens, WE ALL F@*k up. What matters is how we react after said F@*k up. Secondly, I hope the above stated series, Posseland and local and regional races, be it 410, 360 or 305, winged or not, are Fan-Flipping-Tastic! Then all this consternation this week will be overshadowed by actual racing. That will be much better for the sport. 

Just my humble opinion,

DakotaDude

"He's out there, and he's just gettin stronger."

"So what do we do about that?"

"Be prepared, son. That's my motto. Be prepared."

I'll always give a hat tip someone who pulls out a Last Boy Scout reference.

Ohh boo hooo. Once again, if it would have happened to 5 other guys and not Lance & others you would have been fine with it. It's just because it was your favorites. Sounds like you want a wwe scripted/staged sporting event where your "good guys/babyfaces" win. As someone else said, the sun came up, skies blue, we are all alive, and if that is the worst thing that has happened to you at the races you're living a pretty good life. Sounds like a first world problem. 

I was going to go to only 2 All Star shows this weekend, but after hearing all the whining I think I'll go to All 4 and support the those tracks & the All Stars

They did screw me out of $22. I never would of gone in the first place if Lance, Danny, Anthony and Ryan were not there. That is the majority of the PA Posse, and certainly the best two. So I didnt get to watch the RACE I paid to watch, instead the All Stars tried to force some bullshit joke of a "race" (sort of how the wwe is "wrestling" ) on the fans and hundreds of them left. I do hope those fans remember that in a few weeks when they are deciding whether to support the bullshit that is the ASCOC, but whether they do or not it wont change the fact that I wont be there. 

I had been an All Star supporter, you can look back in my posts to confirm if you care to. But what I witnessed last night was the single biggest piece of bullsit I've ever seen at a race track. The Outlaw format sucks, the teams have huge budgets that dwarf the PA teams, and the crowds are nuts but one thing you can be sure of is that they dont do stuff like that. I prefer our weekly shows, but I'll go to an Outlaw show if it's in town but after last night I'll find something else to do when the All Stars are here. Like I said before, here in PA I can go to 70 races a year without ever even considering supporting one of those bullshit shows.

I have enjoyed your posts over the years on both Hoseheads and 4m.....the majority are usually well thoughout and informative.......However, I think you are overblowing this situation and unforunately for you, will probably be missing some damn good sprint car racing over the next few weeks. But as I said in an eariler post, I admire your passion and conviction.

Wait just one Cotton Picking Minute!!!  Like someone else commented to your reply, generally ya have you’re head on straight and are logical and I can see where you have every right to be dissatisfied, dissappointed, mad and indifferent. That’s fine and dandy. But ya lost me in your second and third sentence of this reply. Lance, Danny, Anthony and Ryan, to quote you, are the majority of the Posse? Now I could care less about the Posse rivalry, I live in South Dakota. They’ve produced some damn good racers of the past and current , some of the best if I say so.  I’ve just never gotten into that is versus them deal, not my thing. But I thought, from what I’ve seen here and elsewhere that even if ya took a shit in Pennsylvania at one point in your career, that if ya did good some 15 odd years later and Kicked the WoO’s ass at a race at Calistoga in Cali you could be considered Posse and now you are telling me four damn drivers are the majority of the famed Posse! If four are the majority that means, by definition, they are more than 50% of the Posse so I. It’s entirety the entire group contains no more than 7 total racers. By those numbers ya need the All Stars or WoO there every single week just to have a race. If ya are a racer in Pennsylvania and weren’t named in W2’s or my post I guess you are homeless. Feel free to move to South Dakota as a certain Chucky has all but killed 410 racing in our fine state and we will Welcome you with open arms.

please take my response as mere sarcasm and joshing about as it’s intended. I think we all need to pause and breath a little. A little laughter wouldn’t hurt either.

DakotaDude

Wait just one Cotton Picking Minute!!!  Like someone else commented to your reply, generally ya have you’re head on straight and are logical and I can see where you have every right to be dissatisfied, dissappointed, mad and indifferent. That’s fine and dandy. But ya lost me in your second and third sentence of this reply. Lance, Danny, Anthony and Ryan, to quote you, are the majority of the Posse? Now I could care less about the Posse rivalry, I live in South Dakota. They’ve produced some damn good racers of the past and current , some of the best if I say so.  I’ve just never gotten into that is versus them deal, not my thing. But I thought, from what I’ve seen here and elsewhere that even if ya took a shit in Pennsylvania at one point in your career, that if ya did good some 15 odd years later and Kicked the WoO’s ass at a race at Calistoga in Cali you could be considered Posse and now you are telling me four damn drivers are the majority of the famed Posse! If four are the majority that means, by definition, they are more than 50% of the Posse so I. It’s entirety the entire group contains no more than 7 total racers. By those numbers ya need the All Stars or WoO there every single week just to have a race. If ya are a racer in Pennsylvania and weren’t named in W2’s or my post I guess you are homeless. Feel free to move to South Dakota as a certain Chucky has all but killed 410 racing in our fine state and we will Welcome you with open arms.

please take my response as mere sarcasm and joshing about as it’s intended. I think we all need to pause and breath a little. A little laughter wouldn’t hurt either.

DakotaDude

Also --

I've never been one of those guys who claims everyone to be posse. I've argued with Posse fans who said Shaffer is posse (he's not). By definition a driver is Posse if he races weekly in PA. Brent Marks, Logan, Jacob, Brock, G-Mac are not posse. I root for them because they are from PA, but they aren't Posse drivers. Posse drivers are the guys who race here in PA weekly. 

I walked out lap one, would do it again if given the chance. I am happy I did it, and happy to have been walking out with about 50% of the fans at the track. I slept great last night knowing that I didn't miss anything that was remotely worth watching, and I'll continue to sleep great knowing ASCOC won't get another dime from me as long as the current staff is in place. Way too much else to spend my time and money on these days than to deal with stuff like that. I go to about 70-80 races a year, now I'll go to 60-70, skip the all stars and enjoy some time away from racing. 

in this instance i think sending the offending cars to the rear for the restart would have been a suitable penalty, and per the rule it would have been allowable as the end of the rule in question states "or any other action deemed appropriate be All Star Officials."

Exactly.

Of course "rules are rules", but let the punishment fit the crime. Allstars need fans' $$$ to survive, drivers are risking their lives & owners are spending small fortunes.

Over enforcement wrecked it for everyone... who gained? 

Kinda like good ole Barney Fife getting carried away with his "Lawman" role....

Oh please not sure what race you were at  50% walked out haha be lucky if it was 2 %  and you missed a pretty good race. leaving was stupid. who exactly do you think you leaving hurt?                 it wasnt concessions they were already out of everything trying to sell what they had at half price but they couldnt work the cash register or subtract.Only thing you hurt by your crying and whining  was the snyder family  who was just trying to have a race remebering justin.  The races will go on without you and the 2% of people who would pay for a hooker and not get laid. so again who exactly did you hurt by leaving umm they had all the money you were gonna spend anyway the other 98% of fans didnt care if you left pretty sure the drivers all got paid your leaving affected well  nobody  great protest!

Exactly.

Of course "rules are rules", but let the punishment fit the crime. Allstars need fans' $$$ to survive, drivers are risking their lives & owners are spending small fortunes.

Over enforcement wrecked it for everyone... who gained? 

Kinda like good ole Barney Fife getting carried away with his "Lawman" role....