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Hate to say it but I just went to my last all star race.  BAPS Speedway  Great racing until the A main.    Crash on lap one.   Top 3 cars from PA  get dq because a crew member left a designated area in the infield   Didn't come on the track  but moved out of an area in the infield

Really.  DQ for that.   Not put to the rear but DQ

Half the fans got up and left and this one will.not return

So we’re mad that people got disqualified for doing something they were explicitly told they would be disqualified for if it happened. 19 teams didn’t have a problem following the rules.

Tony drove it backwards...alot of people walked out

A lot of screwing around cleaning up incidents in 1-2

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

The Dq was ridiculous. No argument there.  But let's not blame the All Stars for BAPS still not being able to run a sprint car show. Kolten Gouse..... when are you gonna wake the F up and fix this issue   It's the same shit as when Todd Fisher owned the place. Its takes BAPS 3 times longer to clear a caution then any other track in the country. We dont care about the fake clay you put down. Or the stupid suites. The place is still ran like a circus. Everytime sprints are there it's a shit show. Get it together. 

Except apparently it’s not spelled out clearly in the rulebook and there is video of the drivers meeting on Facebook where it was not mentioned the way the series is insisting it was.  I want to see this video.

This “video” that is getting posted is a 12 second clip where the official says “there is 4 green cones inside of turn 1, that’s where your crew members can be all night long“. 

Now im not arguing that DQ isnt an excessive punishment, because it is. 

I edited my post because I have now seen the rule book section which is not clear.  I still haven actually seen the video 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1979553885663169?view=permalink&id=2415544618730758

I wasnt there. I only saw 12 seconds of video but regardless if a person says you can "be there all night long" it is not correct to assume everyone understands an alternate of not being there is punishable. The words " you can not leave" or a similar statement need to be spoken. The rule is to restrain movement from an area but the spoken word in the video gives permission to enter an area. Huge difference. Exchange the word must to where he said can and it makes a lot of difference.

I will add that the original poster and others who disagree with the enforcement may have more success with a kindly written letter or rehearsed phone call to the rule enforcer pointing out the importance of being clear enough that wrong assumptions can not be made.

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The posse names don't matter who got disqualified last night.  The Allstars didn't do anything when there owner got out of the car on the track earlier this year.  Isn't that a rule violation too?  I guess that is the old double standard........  

As a matter of fact the Allstars sweep it under the rug....no press release.....no dq....not even a suspension?  I am not saying anything about last night but a rule is a rule, we just don't follow the ones we want to or for that matter.....who it is either.  Tony has them between a rock and a hard place.  

What happens if the Posse members boycott the Allstars?  That might be the bigger question.  I for one wouldn't blame them. The way it looks they lost a lot of fans last night.....leaving early.

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Actually, Tony WAS fined for that incident.  It's on their website.  

http://www.allstarsprint.com/downloads/get.aspx?i=528723

http://www.allstarsprint.com/downloads/get.aspx?i=528723

Actually they did fine Tony per what is laid out in their rule book and issued a bulletin about it. Was it front page, no, but they followed their posted rules. This is no comment on what happened at BAPS, as I was not there.

How about Blaney driving the absolute shit outta that car??

I know he didnt get the win but damn, that was impressive  As he's been all year in that car.   For those saying that Dale Blaney was done......think again. 

So if the penalty for the rule was, car goes to the rear of the field, you and all the rest of the PA fans bitching about this are going to be ok with it ?? I'd be willing to bet, not ....

As far as Tony goes, nothing was swept under the rug. They followed their rules and punished by fine. It’s out there for everyone to see on the Allstars site ....

Rules are rules and it’s a tough pill to swallow. When they were announcing the DQ's, I was just hoping my drivers name wasn't called. If it was it would have sucked, but I wasn't going to turn to social media and bash the Allstars ...

Hell, my drivers axle snapped and totaled his car. Do I go after the axle manufacture on social media and talk mad shit about them and their product's ?? No, it is what it is ....

Two things here.......

1. Multiple drivers have mentioned that in the meeting it WAS talked about, but at NO point was a DQ mentioned.

2. If the ASCoC really thought they were 100% in the right, why the tweet later saying that they were already looking into the rule and adjusting it (or something along those lines, I can't remember the exact wording). So why back peddle on it if, as the Posse bashers are saying, a rule is a rule. 

I think it is BS what they did, especially when it eliminated the fastest cars and certainly the ones that could have beaten the All Stars. Coincidence, maybe, but I bet some tin foil hats will think not.

I'm disappointed with a product I purchased. As with any similar situation I let the company hear my displeasure, and informed them I wont be purchasing again. I've been to my last ASCOC show.

Kyle Larson was DQ'd for a similar incident this year at an All-Star race at Joliet.  His crew member came out to talk to him.  HOWEVER, he was not DQ'd because the crew member came out to talk to him............he was DQ'd because the crew member left the designated area.  This was in July.  Do the All-Stars have it out for Kyle Larson too?  I don't think so. 

I would agree a DQ of a driver is maybe too strict of a penalty.  However, at some point I would like to see people in this country go back to taking responsibility for not following the rules and accept the punishment whatever it may be.  

However, what if each of those drivers DID tell their crew members. And maybe one of them wasn't listening, or maybe two.  So you will DQ the driver for doing what he was supposed to do and the crew member not listening.  Yeah, a bit much for sure and now Tony Stewart is vowing a change too.  Yeah, ASCoC back peddling quickly now.

Rules are rules.  Regardless of a dq or not, its a rule that was stated at the drivers meeting.  I remember when Logan got dqd for not scaling at Knoxville.  People said they should have let it slide.  Sucked for him and his team but rules are rules.  

I don;t think it was a coincendence that it was mostly PA team that were affected by this rule and by this decision. Overall it was Dietrich, Ryan Smith, Macri, Dewease and then Skyler Gee. 

Now before anyone says I think they had it out for the Posse, they didn't. But I do think it's very likely that those who understand what the All Stars are doing and the interpretation of the rule are racing by these rules weekly. Thereofre I don't think it;s out of the question that the PA guys got bitten by something they likely are not faniliar with.

It was announced in the Drivers Meetin, but there was no mention of a DQ or really anything too specific about it. The problem is the guys were DQ'd for standing in places that fans were also standing in. The ossue at hand was that guys left this little box. Well the SPeedway had area down there they didn't want people in, which is why the box was where it was.

My understanding is Dewease's crew was heading up to the top of the tower n the infield to watch the race, which acoording to the rules, meant they left the box. They were not doing anythign malicously. Same with Dietrich;s crew and the same with Macri's crew. They were attempting to viewe from areas the common fan were standing at and guys were just moving around. And to my understanding the 'tip off' came form a member of the Rudeen team. Now That may be heresay. But once one guy got "caught", everyone was pointing fingers and saying, his guy went there, his guy was over there, etc. And it truly becanme a circus

But i was there and nobody came on the track. nobody adjusted any nequipment.Nobody was in harms way. People were mad when they announced the first 3 (DD, Smith, Macri), but then they came back a few minutes later and it was now also Dewease and Gee and half the grandstands walked out litteraly. Never seen anything like it before. It wasn;t fans mad about a specific driver, but more a "This has turned into a mess and we're now starting the race with only 18 cars and half the contenders didn't make a lap because of a stupid interpretation. 

Fans lost out, sponsors lost out, the track loost out, the all stars will lose out and overall it was a mess. Combine that with a lenghty delay to fix the catch fence after a 305 put a hole in it, long delays for accidents, a late night....people/drivers were and are pissed and I don;t think I blame them.