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A lot of great discussion on all the young talent running now. Who do you see, in no particular order, being in the top 10-15 points for the WoO in 10 years?

For me, I'd say:

Creed Kemanah

Leo Gordon 

I don't see how you would leave Jacob Allen off this list

+1

Gordon is basically non-existant in dirt racing. I was the biggest Gordon fan growing up but his lack of involvment in dirt racing in his post-nascar career bothers me. That is probably selfish and stupid as he can do whatever he wants with his life... but its obvious he doesnt have a love for sprint cars like Stewart, Kahne, and Larson. That being said I don't think Leo ever races a dirt car beyond go karts/quarter-midgets.

Ten years of t shirt money wl go a lot further in TS Allstars... And given the relationship between the Rahmer family and TS... Little Freddie will be running Allstars which requires less windshield time and has rising stock compared to the nickel and dime WRG operation. 

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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I suspect the bigger question might be which national series will be the “big” one in 10 years.  I’d put a small wager on the All Stars displacing WoO as the premier series.  

     In 10 years, I expect there to be several succesful famale sprint car racers in the big leagues- and not Danica Patrick.

Is the Ascoc a true national series if they never cross over Kansas to the west.?

It may become the most desired event to attend but if they dont take their brand to California should it not still be considered regional?

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Oh that’s NEVER been said in the history of the WoO. Insert sarcasm here. Yes, the All Stars are on a huge upswing this year from previous seasons. The WoO aren’t doing too shabby though either...more competative cars than ever. The upswing for the All Stars is just way more noticeable , since, let’s not forget, a few years ago there were less than 5cars that ran every show during the season. My question is this, why does it always turn into a debate of who is better, the AS or WoO? I‘d argue that BOTH series being successful at the same time is great for the health of the sport. The success of the All Stars is that it allows teams to be full time , yet have more of a large regional schedule for teams to make enough dinero to keep going from race to race. If they continue to turn out young guns like they have they will be fine.  I think if they tried to be something they are not, and be a coast to coast tour they’d lose that.  The WoO will be fine as well, with a lot of young guns in the pipeline. And, as well, the WoO, to the dismay and ire of some, have weathered many a storm....USA, NST (I think that was what it was called when The Dude and others broke off) and others. Each time, to hear the keyboard jockeys say it , it was the end of the WoO. If one displaces the other the health of the sport Shall suffer. 

Ref is still waiting for the 360's to put all of the 410 sanctions and tracks out of business.  He probably sings, "Sha, Na, Na, Na; Sha, Na, Na, Na ....." in his sleep.

Not saying you can't have an opinion, but I would not feel confident putting $10 on it if you gave me 10,000:1 odds.  It would be different if the All-Stars were trying to become the premier traveling series in the country.  I don't think that is even in the cards.  JMO

Totally agree... nothing against the All Stars and I feel they put on a great show... but they are not a National series. 

RodinCanada and Dakota are spot on!!! I to Think we still need both series to stay strong. My point being, Take Chad and the 10h team, i believe he races for a living??, with the ascoc but would he be able to do it with the woo?? And he is a strong car when they come together. But back to the original question 1A, 1S, Macedo is a gasser, Sheldon is Sheldon, And who ever else has money like nascar!! I would love to see Brady Forbrook and some of the other young kids also. I Don't see Donny racing a long Kinser or Swindell like career??

I’d agree with you on Donny not racing as long as Steve or Sammy, I just don’t see guys racing as long on the grueling tour. Some of it due to the fact that, if they’ve been smart with their money they don’t have too and, let’s face it, owners are always looking for lightning in a bottle and the next big thing and that answer is usually younger and younger which may, as drivers age, affect their opportunities.  Ten years from now I’m guessing it will look very different, but I’d hope to still be seeing the Shark boys and Sheldon towards the top.  I. Guessing Reutzel and Macedo would be on top as well, beings all of the, would be veterans by now. Will Sweet and Gravel be there yet, I’d say  that’s a 50/50 proposition as well As both have been slinging dirt for some time already. Forbrook has a helluva man to learn from I’ll give you that. Someone mentioned female drivers...I wouldn’t bet against em as there are some FAST ladies out there now making their presence known now more than ever. 

Man, of all the hot takes you've had on here over the years this might be the worst yet. 

The WoO now offers all their races on DirtVision, so you can tune in and see the packed houses in parts unknown. 

I'd wager good money that this will be the most revenue WRG or WoO has ever brought in a single season, and would also think that they're in the black. 

All Stars are in a much better spot than they were 10 years ago, but it still isn't the WoO. They've figured out how to monetize their races to such a larger crowd - I have no idea what their subscription numbers are but if they averaged 500 viewers a month (which I feel is a very, very conservative number) that's an additional $136K in incoming money. I think realistically that number is much higher. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a 7-figure operation.

Do you understand overhead and G&A? If so, you now know why it is essential for them to nickle and dime their way to sustainment.

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Do you think that they invested in DirtVision for the good of their brand, or to make money? Because even though the first is definitely a benefit, it isn't the right answer. Did it likely require a large amount of money to set up? Given a customer wrapped trailer full of production equipment and a internet VSAT plus the labor costs for camera work, production, driving/maintaining said trailer, and the data costs for both uplink and CDN distribution, you betcha! But I doubt a company is doing that if they aren't pretty goddamned sure they're going to make more than they spend.

Given the job postings you can find on WRG's site right now, it looks like they're ready to shift into a higher gear if anything.

The All Stars upswing this year is credited hands down to the new drivers on the tour of Macedo and Reutzel mixed with some old school and of course the returning regulars. A great group of drivers and much needed to the success of the tour. The best group of teams in years. Unless Tony comes up with some way to keep Macedo and Reutzel he will lose them to the Outlaws and put in motion to the original post of what the Outlaws will look like in ten years. My guess, they will both be running the WoO tour this next year, again, unless Tony pulls a rabbit out of his ass to keep them.

Has anyone noticed MavTV will be broadcasting all star races. Not sure when that deal is going to start or how many shows but it definately is a step in the right direction.