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rolldog
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January 22, 2018 at 08:47:55 AM
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I've been behind on the news but I just read that TSR announced at the PRI show that a Ford engine would not be under Schatz's hood until July 2018.  Strikes me as odd in that development is taking this long, especially since there are Fords in dirt late model that run very well.  Not being a technical engine guy I can't really speculate on what is taking so long.  Any thoughts out there amone people that know more?  Are they working on more HP or durability or building up a stock of parts?




FORD97
January 22, 2018 at 11:23:25 AM
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Posted By: rolldog on January 22 2018 at 08:47:55 AM

I've been behind on the news but I just read that TSR announced at the PRI show that a Ford engine would not be under Schatz's hood until July 2018.  Strikes me as odd in that development is taking this long, especially since there are Fords in dirt late model that run very well.  Not being a technical engine guy I can't really speculate on what is taking so long.  Any thoughts out there amone people that know more?  Are they working on more HP or durability or building up a stock of parts?



Any of those three, or all three. This is the defending champ, and they aren't going to change until they believe they have an advantage or at least power and durability equal to what they have now.


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sprintfast
January 22, 2018 at 12:45:17 PM
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Posted By: FORD97 on January 22 2018 at 11:23:25 AM

Any of those three, or all three. This is the defending champ, and they aren't going to change until they believe they have an advantage or at least power and durability equal to what they have now.



So your saying never?



FORD97
January 22, 2018 at 01:13:55 PM
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Posted By: sprintfast on January 22 2018 at 12:45:17 PM

So your saying never?



If they want the checks to keep rolling in, better be by the appointed date.


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Stroker_Race
January 22, 2018 at 03:03:03 PM
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Posted By: FORD97 on January 22 2018 at 01:13:55 PM

If they want the checks to keep rolling in, better be by the appointed date.



What a lame ass response.  Do you really think that the TSR guys and the FORD mo Co. guys are not in constant contact?  Do you really believe the TSR guys just said "We will have a motor on the track July 18th, 2018."  Do you not think that FORD knows exactly what is going on with the development?  Go ahead, throw out your lame ass responses, but your just making yourself look like a total tool.  I am sure that both FORD mo Co. and TRS (the ONLY 2 that really need to know) are comfortable with where the motor development is at.  Anyone that thought this was going to be quick and easy really has no clue. 



GTigers55
January 22, 2018 at 03:20:21 PM
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Posted By: rolldog on January 22 2018 at 08:47:55 AM

I've been behind on the news but I just read that TSR announced at the PRI show that a Ford engine would not be under Schatz's hood until July 2018.  Strikes me as odd in that development is taking this long, especially since there are Fords in dirt late model that run very well.  Not being a technical engine guy I can't really speculate on what is taking so long.  Any thoughts out there amone people that know more?  Are they working on more HP or durability or building up a stock of parts?



I heard from the announcer at the Grand Annual Sprintcar Classic that there was a car in the field who was running a ford engine. They can be made at any time I'm just guessing that since TSR has been so consistent that they won't change unless they have good reason to.



kossuth
January 22, 2018 at 04:05:27 PM
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Posted By: rolldog on January 22 2018 at 08:47:55 AM

I've been behind on the news but I just read that TSR announced at the PRI show that a Ford engine would not be under Schatz's hood until July 2018.  Strikes me as odd in that development is taking this long, especially since there are Fords in dirt late model that run very well.  Not being a technical engine guy I can't really speculate on what is taking so long.  Any thoughts out there amone people that know more?  Are they working on more HP or durability or building up a stock of parts?



There is more to it than just development. The WOO has to also approve the motor, and I can for sure say that they have no interest in giving any team let alone Schatz a mechanical advantage.  There is nothing for the WOO to gain if every 410 car in the country WOO or not has to trash their existing powerplants to keep with whatever it is TSR and Ford are developing. 



Wesmar
January 22, 2018 at 04:13:35 PM
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Following..................



alum.427
January 22, 2018 at 04:37:41 PM
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Following ? I think you guys could have developed a new motor by now !  Why haven't you  ? 



sprintcarfanatic
January 22, 2018 at 04:53:08 PM
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uhhhohhh eating popcorn...........................................LOL



turn4guy
January 22, 2018 at 08:03:43 PM
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July of 2018 is an interesting date. So depending on when in July it is..... It will be before the Kings Royal. Or after the Royal and right before the Summer Nats. Or at the end of July right before Knoxville.  He hasn't won in PA in awhile so I'll exclude that one, but if he doesn't win at Eldora or Knoxville is it the motor program??? Or if he does win does that mean that Ford motors are superior?? Or is Donny Schatz just flat out the best sprint car driver on the planet.  It's going to be a fun debate this summer no matter what happens. 



revjimk
January 23, 2018 at 02:39:36 AM
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Why would he change such a winning program? If it ain't broke, don't fix it....



motorhead748
January 23, 2018 at 03:11:09 AM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on January 22 2018 at 03:03:03 PM

What a lame ass response.  Do you really think that the TSR guys and the FORD mo Co. guys are not in constant contact?  Do you really believe the TSR guys just said "We will have a motor on the track July 18th, 2018."  Do you not think that FORD knows exactly what is going on with the development?  Go ahead, throw out your lame ass responses, but your just making yourself look like a total tool.  I am sure that both FORD mo Co. and TRS (the ONLY 2 that really need to know) are comfortable with where the motor development is at.  Anyone that thought this was going to be quick and easy really has no clue. 



Lame? I thought it was fairly accurate If indeed a ford motor is part of the plan. I'm a ford guy but I wouldn't be shocked if there was never a ford in the car. It seems ford has a history of connecting with high profile events or teams irregardless of engines used. John Force & the Knoxville nationals a few years back come to mind 



alum.427
January 23, 2018 at 06:18:40 AM
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The month of money. There will not be a ford, if there ever is, between those rails. It has been discussed over and over, today's racing motor has nothing coming from your local dealership parts counter. But the guys that bleed blue keep saying it's coming. Personally, if they would just redesign the valve covers and weld fomoco across the face everyone would be happy.



saphead
January 23, 2018 at 06:44:15 AM
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3.5 ecoboost twin turbo. 

 



FORD97
January 23, 2018 at 07:21:56 AM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on January 22 2018 at 03:03:03 PM

What a lame ass response.  Do you really think that the TSR guys and the FORD mo Co. guys are not in constant contact?  Do you really believe the TSR guys just said "We will have a motor on the track July 18th, 2018."  Do you not think that FORD knows exactly what is going on with the development?  Go ahead, throw out your lame ass responses, but your just making yourself look like a total tool.  I am sure that both FORD mo Co. and TRS (the ONLY 2 that really need to know) are comfortable with where the motor development is at.  Anyone that thought this was going to be quick and easy really has no clue. 



Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of nobody this morning...

Then I guess Ford and TSR are clueless, because they announced they'd be running a Ford motor before the end of last season.

Adults are talking here. Back to the kiddie table with you. And try taking an English course before posting again.


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MSPN
January 23, 2018 at 08:47:49 AM
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Gotta go with Ford on this, his initial response might have been the best of any in this thread, it certainly makes the most sense....



blazer00
January 23, 2018 at 10:08:28 AM
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I agree that FORD97 has it pretty well summed up. That and kossuth, regarding WoO approval. Question is, if the new Ford engine is considerably higher priced to purchase than the current engines are, would that be a reason the WoO might reject it?  IMO there's no need to approve something that will drive costs up. The WoO shoud be gearing towards bringing costs down. Maybe, the Ford engine will do that, although in the past that was not the case with the Ford engines. (I use the name Ford loosely, as I believe all the 410's are specialty engines and not brand specific)



Wesmar
January 23, 2018 at 10:16:56 AM
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Posted By: alum.427 on January 22 2018 at 04:37:41 PM

Following ? I think you guys could have developed a new motor by now !  Why haven't you  ? 



 Because we don't work on foreign engines, only American.  Lol

 Before getting all butt hurt that was only a joke.



racefanigan
January 23, 2018 at 10:32:08 AM
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This message was edited on January 23, 2018 at 10:41:00 AM by racefanigan

The problem with sprint car racing now is that eveyone is coming up with ways to cheapen up sprint car racing as a whole. Who knows, the Ford engine might just do that. But lets hope it is not the same as the for 360s that cam out some years ago. Yes, you could buy a good one for 25K when they were released, but then they got in other builders hands and before we know it, they out priced most all chevy engines. They ran well, but were unaffordable.

Heres the thing, I will agree that sprint car racing is very high priced, even to the point of being higher than it should be, but it is the premier dirt class, and especially when it comes to running the WoO, it shouldn't be cheap. At a local level, yes it should be cheaper, but I don't completely agree with needing to cheapen up the WoO Cars. If a local guy wants to run an outlaw show, they know what their getting into when they show up. If the cost gets drove up within the Outlaws, those guys have the resources and backing to spend the money, almost every one of them.

We will never solve the cost delima with a motor solution, in my opinion anyway. You can spec out as much as you want, people will still spend. Its happening with the racesaver class, and will happen with every other class until they decide that every sprint car in the country needs to run a 602 crate. To be honest, I do not know what will solve the cost dilemma. Go to an F55 RR tire rule, Medium LR tire rule, only one size option for the LR, would take the engine out of the equation and level the playing field.

Im sure I'll get crucified for the last comment, but fact of the matter is, everyone is bitching because they want sprint car racing to be cheaper, but when someone shares an Idea on how to possibly cheapen it up, they bitch because "I don't want to do that to my car." or "That will cost money to change to that." Well, think of it as having parts of your house that are missing insulation, and it costs you 20% more to heat your house. Saying you don't want to change is like saying "I'm not gonna pay $3000 to fix my house." but then you're still paying 20% more every year.

I hope something can come of this deal, and for the better at that. I can just see this as being a $40k WoO caliber engine that outruns everyones chevys, then 2 years down the road its a $75K WoO caliber engine that still out runs everyones chevys, and now nobody can afford to beat Donny because it costs $75K. I hope I am wrong.





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