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That USAC race looked great on video highlites, & I would have loved to see Schuchart pull off the WoO win, wish I had been there.

My point was just that when I went, it didn't seem super fast like I had heard. That doesn't mean I'm condemning the place....

I don't have a opinion on Eldora before or after Tony since I've never been there, but I think DL says something very valid here.   Something along the lines of "nonwing which is always better than a WoO show because they race all over the track".   I've seen a bunch of comments on this thread about the great USAC feature vs. the single file Outlaw feature.   Very simple here, that's just the difference between wing and non wing.    The non wing actually races good all the time.   90% of the time with wing racing it's single file, high speed freight train.     Devils Bowl is similar to Eldora in size, or at least it was before they reconfigured it this last winter.    Things are the same way there.    Winged heat races are nearly always boring as hell.  Single file, high speed, and the running order coming out of turn 2 on lap 2 is the same as the finishing order on lap 8.   If you're lucky you might see a decent feature.

I'll take a non wing race over the WoO any day.     

my mistake was saying world instead of country...... my bad im sorry

other then that you sound like a real dumbdick trying to speak for 60% of america when you dont know them but you call me a idiot

then speaking for 90% of the world 

would you stop look at yourself and what you just said when i promise you dont even know 2000 people

but your on here blabbing with no proof nothing just your mouth spooging

i provided google proof about the country now you provide your 60 and 90% proof or shut up

The technology is out there to do this easily. We sell a product that can make a 3D model of how they want the racing surface, stick it in a computer on a motorgrader, and automatically grade the dirt to truck specs., and then have another file made for sprint car specs. I talked to Larry Boos about this many years ago, I think they choked on the price.

     I've never been to Eldora, so I can't take sides. Your post made me laugh. Not since the invention of the internet did I ever picture myself looking up the difference in the definitions of blithering and blathering. Thanks!  Sprint car racing is still alive in the USA and 2 (or more) sports fans have a difference of opinions on the internet. All is well and it's going to be a great day.

Its not opinion.  Riding around on the bottom sucks especially on a track that is darn near a circle.  Eldora becomes Charlotte only worse with the cushion against the wall gone.  I often questioned if Earl really was smart enough to understand what made the place great or just got lucky because there were many nights 25 years ago that it sucked too..... just not almost every night.  When promoters finally realize that tricky top grooves make the sport and riding around on the bottom like Martinsville is as bad as Tony's love life, we'll be good.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Oh no, someone from the internet world doesn't like me.  Please try using periods and commas as well as forming a complete sentence before calling someone a dumbdick what ever that is.  If you would of said the big E was the 2nd most popular DIRT track in the US you maybe, just maybe would of had a point.  You didn't and you don't, now go away...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a26525/10-north-american-race-tracks-you-need-to-visit/  US no E

https://10mosttoday.com/10-best-race-tracks-in-the-u-s/  US No E

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-10-best-racing-tracks-in-the-world/  World.....

https://www.thrillist.com/cars/the-best-race-tracks-in-america  US no E

The old Eldora.  Back then, nothing better than watching sprints come off the banking of number 4, actually driving "downhill" at big speed and straightening her out for the straightaway.  Gawd I loved the look of that. 

 Lawlessness and liberalism equals Hell.  NY City, 
Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, Minnepolis, etc. We saw it. 
Burning hundreds of buildings, a thousand assaults and 
dozens of murders. Getting worser and worser.

Unfortunately, this message board in general is nothing more than a place for people to compain and be negative. Not what it used to be, thats for sure.

I agree with you about the crowds - the sprint car races there have been some of the biggest crowds in years. I said earlier that the Saturday crowd last weekend was probably the biggest they've had since they've been running that WoO/USAC combo.

To me, that says there is a very small select few vocal diehards on here that perhaps don't reflect the opinion of the overall dirt track fan base. Because if you based your thought soley off of what is said on here, you would think no one is going anymore because the place sucks and racing is terrible. 

I said I made a mistake and thats all I can do is apologize and I did....can you?

Let's follow what actually happened here, in order.

1. dirtlover makes a post with incorrect claim that Eldora is 2nd most popular racetrack in the world

2. After response indicating that he's not correct, dirtlover cites an article that indicates it was the 2nd most popular racetrack in the US and that he is owed an apology

3. After second response indicating that there is a difference between world and the US, dirtlover responds stating that he clearly meant country in his original post because we're talking about sprint cars, despite Indy being No. 1 on his cited list. dirtlover then reiterates he's provided evidence to support his initial claim (he still hasn't) and calls me an asshole (which is fine, by the way - I'm a grown up and can be kind of an asshole, but in this case I'm right).

4. dirtlover then responds with, well, instead of trying to decipher what he means, I'm just going to copy his post:

"were talking about the 2nd most popular racetrack that is eldora but your dumb and didn't know that..... indy cars have no call here

quit your jackass shit cause your wrong you know tour wrong and you got called out on it and now instead of admitting your wrong you keep fucking with me to further look dumb cause i proved it and your wrong and thats it

except defeat cause you have nowhere  to go with this and you know it so keep it up and look dumber for being wrong"

5. Then dirtlover actually does apologize for saying he made a mistake in saying world instead of country.

So I guess, technically yeah, you did apologize, but you're still a complete dipshit for your showing in this thread and I really don't care about your apology.

I have been going to almost all the sprint car shows wing and non wing at Eldora for about 10 years now. Went to Friday's show (not Saturday due to family obligation) and there is no denying that yes it was slower than the "old" Eldora. I remember I believe maybe 2014 still seeing Saldana, McMahon, Madsen, and other in the high 12sec qualifying times. Everyone else being low 13's. Friday's quick time was 13.8sec. I do not think it has as much to do with the banking being taken out (although it is a factor) as much as it seems like the track seems to be dry and slick to start the evening. Last year the knight before the kings royal, 4 crown, and sprintacular and it looked like at the start of the night the cars were racing on an ice rink as opposed to a race track.

However, I will say that the heat races on Friday were somewhat more entertaining than normal. In the past if a driver could not make a pass in the first corner they were pretty much locked into their position out of turn two. Friday there was some closer racing. The feature for both races were pretty good in my opinion. It was racy in both features, not a lot of racing by the wall, the preferred line was down low, but it was a little bit better.

At the same time I understand where others are coming from about the speed. I remember first going to Eldora and being in shock at the speeds of the place and how close to the wall they would get. It was intense and you could actually feel it in the stands and you would actually say holy sh!t sometimes at the cars going around the track. But, I also saw some snooze fest when it came to battles on the track. I have seen my share of heat races and features that have been follow the leader around the top of the track.

Going there now you still expect those fast laps and when they go by it just looks like the car is struggling to get around the track. I think they just need to find their balance between the speeds and how they care for the track. Still my favorite place to go. Will be back probably at the next sprint show and hoping it is faster, although I know that if it is and there is no passing someone will be on here saying hey that place was real fast but the winner started on the front row and there was no passing at all.

Nah, I'm good thx tho.  

If u youtube Eldora Speedway Historical Big One 1998 I believe u will c the difference with the cushion on the top compared to what it is now. That's the Eldora I miss.

I also do remember reading in Earl's book that he said the speeds concerned him alot.

whats lost here is that eldora is just a regular track now and has lost its mystique and thats all i really ever cared to say .

cussing back and forth was wrong on my part and I wont participate in that activity again cause this forum has enough of that and I would be happy to meet anyone in person at any point at eldora cause i work there during kings royal weekend jlmk and we will meet up wherever you want to discuss 

The best analogy I ever heard... "it's like driving 140mph around your bathroom sink while not being able to see past the radiator cap".

The place is fast enough...it's STILL scary fast  I've seen racing on both configurations...

with that being said...someone was looking over Travis Philo and Jac Friday.  Add 10mph to Jacs impact with Travis...Was a tragedy avoided? I duno..,but I'm OK with the configuration. 

We talked to several drivers at Haubstadt Sunday night who were saying Eldora "Is not the track Earl built" One guy that didnt have anything bad to say about it was Donny Schatz, (but he also won, so there's that) he did say the track was 2 seconds faster saturday night than it was Friday night though..

I have never been there for a sprint car race, but the late model races have been better (racier) since Tony took over the place.

Guys have been charging from the back with the multiple grooves over the last several years in both Sprint and Late Model shows alike at Eldora.  I don't understand all the hate towards Tony and the race track.  The track still produces great racing.  I saw snoozers there when Earl had the place as well.  It's not always going to be perfect.