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So with all these people saying Schatz is cheating, what, besides weight, do they actually check? Do they ever pull fuel? Do they have pump engines, or take electronic boxes??

Are they afraid to lose a high profile team from the tour? Or do they not want to pi$$ people off??

I guess if Donny is that good, then he deserves the credit, if he's cheating let's find out and get on with it.

You know how many people would be scared if they knew for a FACT that Schatz was all legit?

Dont they tech the Knoxville Nat's winner extensively?

Ya know, now that you mention it. Reminds me of the Gold Cup in Chico. On the first prelim night when local drivers finished first and third, the top three were inspected at the WoO trailer outside of turns one and two. On the second night when WoO drivers finished in the top 3, none of them were inspected at the trailer.

I guess they know their boys are legal. wink wink.

I think a lot of people would like to see something done about guys time trialing and/or running the heat, and then changing the engine because "it's just not running quite hard enough". Maybe..... "it's just not small enough".

How many times in the past have we seen guys change an engine after time trials at the nationals. Think all of those engines REALLY had problems, or do you think maybe they were a little oversize?

Maybe we do need a one engine per night rule, or any engine that's changed during the event is subject to tear down and inspection. What would be the big deal about checking an engine that was taken out? If it really does have a problem it's gonna have to be torn down and rebuilt anyway.

Crap, I just wasted another 3 minutes of my life on things that will never change.

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And you wasted those 3 minutes on a post I started....dont know you any better...haha!!

At the Gold Cup, I specifically asked the WoO tech guys if they tested fuel. And they claimed they tested the top 3.

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they do pull fuel out of the cars at the scales after they qualify now if they actually have it tested i cant say maybe they are just going thru the motions but i have never seen them pump an engine

simple solution, you change an engine - you start at the rear.

if its a good solution for a $200 tire then why not a $40k bullet?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

we got the full inspection treatment at the gold cup including fuel, engine pumped wing ect.

so, did the top three at the gold cup have the same % of nitro? maybe the last 20 positions were on 100% methenol? LMAO gdude "not small enuff" ya know , alot of those qualifying engines I hear are running pretty strong, majority of the time you can tell if one isnt quite right? pretty soon three push trucks will be going piggy back to start the dam things , then what? change wrecker motors inbetween starts?

I know for a fact after winning the nationals last year they completely tore apart schatz's car and motor and they found nothing. cant some people accept he is better than everyone else at the moment, and his results prove it.

Losing is natures way of saying you suck.

well when someone comes from 12th to finish 4th at the grove i would feel better if that guy was teched once in awhile. and i have seen many times the winner weigh and collect the trophy and pack up without anyone touching the car besides the crew.

I'll start at the Gold Cup, the top 3 on both the first two nights were pumped and fuel pulled after the races... those cars were the 0, 64, 6s, 9, 11, and 2. 3 travelers, 3 non-travelers... Not to mention most of the wing tech, safety tech, wheels, tires, etc. is done prior to the races at the teams haulers. The last night the top 4 were teched after the race... it's really simple, ask the teams before running your mouth. Eldora 2 weeks later... top 4 pumped and fuel taken. The Grove, top 4 both nights pumped (that means the car that came from 21st to 4th was one of them), fuel from all cars pulled both nights after qualifying. Most of the teching is done pre-race. As for the fuel testing, they use the same thing a lot of drag race organizations use made by Precision Fuel Testing Systems.

And boy howdy is cousin Goober the fuel expert, he did look quite daper in his overalls though!

In the past, they only checked the physical properties of fuel (color/appearance/odor...), if they are not using the PFTS kit and testing for density (specific gravity), hydrocarbons, propylene oxides (I'd bet money they're not testing for propylene oxide) ...

Let someone pick "random" nights to test...say when a rich air/fuel mix is required and let's pick several "random" cars to test, really test the fuel's density, hyrdocarbons, propylene oxides, hydrazine, pH...

That blue haze may not be oil.

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

all i can say to the nay-sayers is.... next.

I don't want to confuse anybody and bring in the facts but.....

You are correct. I talked to the #15 team. My husband was there, at the grove, Friday and Saturday night. They checked his fuel, pumped him, and weighed him.

It does seem like people like to spout off behind their computers with little or no facts. Their opinions sound good sometimes until the facts come out.

Some people just have a motor mouth. If they would just check the facts first they wouldn't end up looking so silly.

Often posters opinions are disguised as fact to make the post more believable but when the facts comes out they look down right ______________. You fill in the blank!

A statement of fact expresses what actually happened or what can be proven by data whereas an opinion expresses an attitude toward something or gives an opinion about something that cannot be proven.

Don't get me wrong. We all have opinions and can voice them even when talking about the facts but don't confuse the two they are not the same.

I just find it interesting that an outlaw car is too loud at Chico and they then say that there is a variance. This did allow all of the other cars to pass the sound meter. I have been going to Chico and seen BK TK and other big names and they were too loud but when one particular outlaw is too loud they come up with a variance. Its funny I asked another outlaw driver about this at Chico and he said he’s been coming here for along time and its known at Chico if you’re too loud, your too loud period. I think that rules are rules and everyone should abide by them.

Again, the answer is as simple as a phone call... I'm sure John Padjen would be happy to explain this to you as he was the one who made that call. The rule says 95db at 100 ft. Chico enforces it as 100db at 100 ft. I have a scanner, and if you do too, then you are omitting the fact that more than just one car was called as over noise requirements... the 9 was one of them. I'm not defending anyone, just pointing out that both Outlaws and non-Outlaws were affected and teched that weekend. The "sound meter" also has some faults, such as wind noise and direction. The first night the wind was fairly strong from the front straight side. The second night almost calm, if not a very light breeze from the back straight side. I'm sure if you just call the track number they could explain all of that to you...

You mean the wind can change the sound of the cars

Brian 

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