Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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wingnut - If you know Doug, give him a call and ask him. Better yet, there are some people in here that surely know. On fabricating parts, I remember when Gary Stanton came out with his own chassis. For a couple of years, if you weren't lucky enough to have one, you ran for 2nd. We were lucky enough to find a junked one. We spent a winter copying it and bent all of the tubing by hand to do it. Also, if you really are 49 years old, then surely you know all of the breakthroughs that LaVern Nance and Karl Kinser made, and they weren't the only ones doing it. They were major players, who made the "modern" sprint car what it is today. I could get into the reverse rotation engines that guys were toying with for a number of years, but the aboove information should keep you busy enough.

Like I said, I was not slamming the #15. Just asking a simple questions.

supaschatz - Shock valving is not rocket science. Knowing which one(s) to bolt on and when, is. Look at the common denominator on Donny's success. It's not the parts on the car.

Everyone runs a 94 or 96 LR. It all depends on how tight you want your car to be on how big of a LR you want to bolt on. But there are a lot more variables in that equation to getting the car to roll through the corner than just bolting on a big LR. I know of one very successful driver that still races, that runs his car so tight, that I doubt anyone else out there could drive it without junking it.

Got nailed, huh? Don't talk shit unless you can back it my friend!!! Tell me what was so special about wolfies car back in 78' or get off the subject and wait for a better day!!!! Fabricating parts, yeah!! But it sure wasn't what you claim it to be!!!! Go home, look up your internet info. and read your magazines and come back here and have it slammed right back at you again. As far as Karl, yeah, nobody better and copied by alot of people, whether it was Steve or Mark driving!! I'll give you that one.

What was so special? How about an aluminum chasis numbnuts? And that wasn't the only one. LaVern Nance also ran one too.

Also, LaVern Nance INVENTED more parts that are used on todays cars than anyone, Karl included. Those parts made Sammy Swindell the toughest on the track for two years until everyone else were able to obtain the trick parts.   

It's funny how when a person such as yourself, is backed into a corner after showing their ignorance, starts slinging the personal attacks around to try and cover up their own dumbass attack.

Really? What else about wolfies car? Keep digging friend!!! Nance's parts - why aren't you naming them? You know so much, keep it coming. You make it sound like he built everything, every piece from scratch. My nuts are alive and well by the way. Tell your wife to give yours back so you can see if yours are also!!! Or did she toss them out because they didn't hold any weight?!!! LOL

I think an aluminum chassis is enough for one car, though I do know at one time they were toying with reverse rotation engines however I do not know if the aluminum car ever saw one.

Nance Parts - Splined rear axles, inboard brakes, aluminum hubs, internal coupled rearends instead of the old in/out box and the Crower Glide.

Enough schooling for tonight.

So angry Mr. "Truth" Detector. How long have you been watching races oh wise one? Perhaps you should remember that just because you watched races in the 70s, doesn't mean it pertains to the present. Get out of the past and realize, Schatzy is the best there is right now. 71 races in the 2 1/2 years. (Including all of the big races except the Gold Cup) No one has done any better since Mark Kinser stopped his run in 2000. I realize Kinser dominated in the 80s and 90s, and was awesome from 2002-2005, but not anymore.

But your posts are bragging about how much they invented back then and that they built the car back then. Seems to me most of the parts were bought and assembled, just like today. This is nothing more than your hero not being able to compete for a championship anymore!!! Let it go. The memories of the king will last forever if you want them to!!! Just don't become a Schatz fan, there's no room for you at the championship table!!!

dsc - No anger here at all, quite the contrary. By the way, I've watched races in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and now the 00's. With the Lords blessing, I will be watching them well into the future. Schatz is the hottest driver out there right now, I believe if you look back on all of my posts within this forum, you will see that I have not posted otherwise. I only used him as an example, since he is the hottest driver out there today to make the point that innovation is a thing of the past. Everyone is running the same equipment today, with only a few exceptions, and those are negligible as far as producing dominating performances over an extended period of time. Donny has racked up some impressive numbers in the past few years, however there were some circumstances that did help those numbers. The biggest being the rule change counting all preliminary feature wins towards overall Outlaw wins. If the Outlaws were to add up all of Steve's, Sammy's, Doug's, Mark's, Stevie's and Danny's preliminary wins, and tack those onto their totals, the numbers would be astronomical and untouchable. 

wingnut - The parts I listed, were parts that were designed and fabricated by Mr. Nance before anyone else had them. What is so hard in accepting the fact that "back in the day", the sport was just as much about outsmarting your competition in the shop, as it was outrunning them with your innovations at the track. Remember, at one time it was "Run whatcha brung".

By the way, who do you think my "hero" is? I'll give you a little hint. I have never been a Steve Kinser "fanboy", matter of fact, it sucked watching him out run my "hero" on many occasions. But I respect the hell out of him, even more as time goes by. His numbers and accomplishments can not be denied, no matter who you like and those numbers and accomplishments just keep on climbing.

wingnut 15 - i just figured out why you like Schatz...you are an imbicile!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Nice to see someone finally go after Schatz at the Grove. Great drive Pittman! No hate on either side, just glad the lead wasn't conceded. Would have liked to see the locals do better, but it wasn't a terrible showing and tomorrow's a new day.

Just my 2 cents. Nance was a head of his time in designing building and molding small parts also.

Look at the parts such as steering arms brakes , knock offs and many more. The man was a genuis in the old school way.

And another one that could do it all from building a car to building a motor to driving was Lenoard Mccarl.

By the way one more was Bob Trostle.

These men built cars from scatch long before there was a racer called a outlaw, then when the outlaws came and were true outlaws that raced where and when they wanted, they were still building and designing cars and equipment.

Today racers buy everything and race when their sancationing body lets them.

So you decide.

LETS RACE BOYS

Define 'wasn't a terrible showing', lol. The top 5 were Outlaws and the Posse had 6 cars in the dash at about the only track they're actually ever been competitive at, come on! Other than Lance's win in Charlotte the Posse haven't been in the hunt yet this year, anywhere but you have three more chances this year. Take It Easy.....

Exerpt: since he is the hottest driver out there today to make the point that innovation is a thing of the past.

Epilogue: Kinser will always be the King and the driver from which all other drivers are compared to, Shatz is the best there is out there "right now". And as far as innovation being a thing of the past! Never.

Hey Mike,

I expect to collect on my Wings bet we had this year in the cup finals!!

See ya in Volusia for some donuts!!!!!

Mac:

Come on up to Brantford this week and I'll bring you a dozen Tim Horton's donuts, the best ever made. Heck, it is the hometown of the Great One which should mean something to a hockey nut like yourself. Bring your old travellin' mate Gaylor along, be good to see the both of you! Take It Easy.....

I gotta reply to yours first. Didn't make it to Krispy Kreme before they closed, huh? No need for attacking someone because of that. They do open up real early! Just buy extra in the morning next time!!!

those comments back to Truth pretty much say it all there pal!

Truth - this is the only innovation that i am aware of:

Funny Fuel?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Some good points in there, I'll give you that!! As far as the Kinser deal, just presumed you were a fan of his since most people running Schatz down verbally seem to be Kinser fans - my apologies!!

Of course today's outlaws match up and there are more of them to boot. More importantly, they are all in similiar equipment which makes it harder to win. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is a whole 'nother debate. 20 years from now people will be talking about todays list of outlaws the same way people talk about your list. Every driver that's been around a while says that it's harder to win today.

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Taking 12 of the top 18 spots against the Outlaws isn't a terrible showing. The rest of the country would put 3-4 in. It wasn't a great showing either, I admit, but worse things have happened.