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Schatz is the current King and has been for 3 years now, get used to it. Most of Kinsers wins came when the WOO had a lot fewer cars and he was driving the fastsest car against only a handful of other teams that were even close. Nowadays, everyone has the same stuff.

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And how many of Steve's wins came when the Outlaws ran the local rules everywhere they went. Wings here, no wings there, big blocks elsewhere?

Are you on drugs? Stupid? Or just new to the sport?

In 1987, Steve won everything in sight on his way to 46 Outlaw wins. But he had a down year in 1988 with only 27 Outlaw wins. Almost as many wins in 2 years as Donny has in his 10 year career, once again against a much stronger field of cars/drivers and a more grueling schedule than Donny will ever see.

...so much for trying to lighten up the discussion with a "clever" play on words.

...at least Latsh "got it."

Wolfgang may never have won a WoO title, but he was a true outlaw and did not run for points all season that often.

If he would have ran for the title in the Weikert #29 or the Peace #8D, I would have put a lot of money on him to win. He was beating the Outlaws in those cars very frequently. His worst year for Weikert was still 40 wins and several of those were Outlaw wins and he was running Central PA then.

No one will ever accomplish was S. Kinser has done! No one . . . and I still say the best driver I ever saw is Wolfgang and I'm a Keith Kauffman fan so it's not like I'm playing homer.

Much stronger field of cars? LOL Lay off the crackpipe. There are MANY more cars capable of winning in the WOO today and MUCH less disparity in the cars themselves. Ask any of the older drivers if it is harder or easier to win today or 20 years ago.

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Kinser (both of them), Swindell (both of them), Wolfgang, Shuman, Doty, Haud, Davis, Allen, Sills, Blaney, Hillenburg, Smith, Wooley, Gee.

Are you serious that you think that the current group of "Outlaws" match up to the list above? Okay, maybe two of them....

My GOD people, you need to educate yourself on this sport before coming on here and making yourselves look stupid!

This can be looked up and I did it a LONG time ago but I can't remember the exact numbers. When Steve, Sammy and Wolfie showed up at an Outlaw show together they won about 80% of the time. Eckert or his site can give you the real numbers, Take It Easy....

PS Oops, I forgot the original topic, my bad. The Grove should once again make the difference since the big dogs have been abysmal in Florida and Lernerville where they attempted to compete so far this year. Lance does get props for his win in Charlotte though and the only other top 5 finish on the road this year. Should be a great weekend, enjoy!

Truth Detector detects truth yet again. The guys following the tour in the 80s were a very talented group, which makes what Steve, Sammy, and Wolfie did all that more impressive. The talent was immense and the cars were much less sophisticated... ie certain cars and certain drivers held advantages that others couldn't catch up to. Today, the cars are all pretty similar and the talent is just as similar. When everybody is going the same breakneck speed and the talent is pretty much the same, there are going to be more different winners and less exciting races. This shouldn't be anything new to anybody who has witnessed both eras...

is the earth round or flat?

Doesn't matter the World of Outlaws are going to be a thing of the past. Do to there poor management skills. The cost of fuel the teams are not going to be able to stay out on the road as things tighten up sponsorships get harder to get.

   Stewart will  end up owning the name World Of Outlaws if he doesn't all ready.

According to that, wouldn't that be a good thing then? Or are you one of the few that just have something against the WoO, but will still go to see them? Seems to me the # of traveling cars are up since they took over from Ted! Yes, some will leave due to fuel prices, but look at it this way, how many would be traveling right now if Ted was still in controll. Cars were down toward the end of his run as owner. So what is your point? To think of how many are still traveling with fuel costs as high as they are, should speak something to you!!!

The difference that the uneducated seem to have trouble with is the fact that the best years of the Outlaws were when the best team won through experimentation and inovation. Back then, teams built their cars, not peruse the latest catalogue ordering the same components as your competitor(s) and then assembling their cars, it's a huge difference.

I'm not saying that some of todays drivers aren't good, but in my opinion and I would be willing to bet that the opinion of the people who were lucky enough to have seen what I'm talking about would too agree, the sport may be flashier and faster today, but when you were one of the 20% (as MSPN said) who picked up a win, it was a much bigger deal than it is today. These days, it's all about who hits the setup the closest on any given night. Nothing more, nothing less.

I bet more than one guy hits the right setup every night. So, talent still has alot to do with it! Do you realize the one's still winning the championships are the ones trying new things? What do you think the racers did when they needed parts? Build everything from scratch? Some with the frame, yeah, but everything still got assembled from new or used parts, just like today now doesn't it? Where did those parts come from? Unless those guys traveled with some amazing shit back then, I'm sure they bought their parts!!

You're not very old, are you?

Tell me what you know about Bob Trostle's car that Wolfgang drove in 1978.

Who came up with the splined rear axle? Do you think they've always been available in a catalogue?

Most of the cars in any given "A" Main will be in the ballpark with the setup. The team who nails the setup, is the one who wins 99% of the races these days.

Tell me one inovation that the #15 car came up with that gave them an edge to win the past two championships. This is not a slam on the #15, just a simple question.

Never said donny came up with anything. Wow!!! One part! Holy cow!! Was I wrong or what?

I asked several questions, no answers. So, I guess I have my answer.

49! What about wolfies car in 78'? What about any of what you bring up? Where did most of their parts come from? Are you telling me that all the parts that went on a sprint back then was all fabricated from everyone's own shop? Some things were, yes. Most was bought and "assembled" back then just like it is today!! What's your point? That a few parts were made back in the day by the driver and crew themselves. Testing was done, just like today. So, what do you know about wolfies car that I "might not" know, since being friends with the guy and having watched him race back then gives me no credibility?!!!

It's flat in Iowa and banked in Ohio.

Donny has made no secrets about why he wins. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?

His shocks are the key. He matches them better than anyone and uses them to his advantage.

He makes his car role thru the middle better than anyone today by using a larger left rear tire. Why don't others try it?

He has an unmatched focus. While Meyers is on the frontstretch talking about how he's going to get the point lead back and catch Donny, worried intently about he points after only 20 of 80 races, Donny is worried about winning races. He's focused on making his car better and what he needs to do better as a driver. He knows it's a long season and the points will take care of themselves if you run strong each night. He gets stronger as the schedule gets more grueling and his team only gets stronger.

He's capable of dominating for many years to come, get over it.