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It's called capitalism, not socialism.  Socialism takes and redistributes the wealth without choice.

A promoter or series can pay out through the field however they want.  It's up to the drivers & teams to decide if they want to participate.  It's then up to the fans if they want to pay to see the races.  Capitalism, not socialism.   

One thing that hasn't really been discussed much is the track promoters.  They keep talking about not getting any streaming money as well.  Are there even enough tracks that can afford to support two series?  We're losing tracks, not adding them.  Is this a sustainable model for the promoters?

It's going to be interesting going forward.

TSR  had the all stars for sale, high limit came in and purchased it. There going to be a regional series just like the all stars where. If they go west Brad and kyle are going to be dependent on west coast cars period. Unless there covering costs for there local point followers I can't see teams towing to the west coast without something in it for them. Your asking teams to spend thousands to tow across country, woo compensates teams.

This years B-Main at the Knoxville Nationals paid almost $70,000 out. I think that is the way to build car counts at big shows instead of giving it all to one team . That is why I stated what I did.No matter what BS trawser thinks.

You just don't get it ! If you ever had enough money to even halfway be a partner in ANY racetrack, you wouldn't last a year.

One thing I see is exactly what happened when the woo and USA went up agaisnt each other.  It will go for a time and one of the the 2 will fold.  Then there was that other 410 traveling series(cant remember the name) that went up agaisnt the outlaws and the outlaws won out.  I know its about the money but as a promotor I would go with the outlaws becasue the people know the name.  World of outlaws is a brand name people relate to.  Allstars are the same to relate to in there area.  But from coast to coast the outlaws will prevail with the people.JMO

BINGO! :)

Do you SERIOUSLY think paying low budget teams better in sprint car racing will lead to socialism?????

"Bmain cars deserve tow money if they don't qualify.....but not more than the feature winner. "

Did anyone actually suggest that? If they did, they were obviously being sarcastic

I too, will attend any race that hits my area.  (If I can)  I have absolutely no issue with the "rift" caused by High Limit vs. WoO.  My only issue is with the morons praying for an end to the WoO.  

No spin.  And a waste of time trying to help you learn something.

I'd love to buy you a one way ticket to Cuba or Venezuela so you can tell them the real meaning of socialism.

I agree with your observation.  If any series books a race with a track and can't provide the track with a list of drivers guaranteed to show up the track have no guarantees to attract fans.  If the WoO has fifteen regulars and High Limit has three and none of the biggest events under their banner what's the selling point besides one former champion and a part timer moonlighting from his day job?

Sanction battles are pretty much a roll my eyes and think "yeah, whatever".  Not much about racing is the same as it was when I started attending in 1960.  The only common thing is that the cars are still open wheel machines that go fast and turn left on dirt.  I don't really give a damn which series name is on the banners.  As long as it's good racing and fun I don't sweat the details.  Big events will likely look pretty much the same.

The last few days I have been wondering why instead of going through all of this chaos why the WoO drivers didn't ban together and advocate for more midweek races?  After all, they listened to the drivers when they requested less midweek racing and the WoO agreed to move towards more multi day weekend shows.  I still don't see the sense in initially selling this as simply adding some midweek racing and all of a sudden we have a second series pulling drivers from the Outlaws.  If I did a mutiny on every job I had that wasn't perfect I'd never be satisfied.  I prefer the Outlaws until I see evidence that this fiasco is going to benefit the fans because the WoO has the name recognition and relationships with promoters.  I was fine with the High Limit deal as a Sprint Car version of the Late Model race night in America on Flo.  When I heard they would be scheduling weekend dates against the established WoO schedule they lost me.  Initially it doesn't look like High Limit will come anywhere near me so the biggest impact may be a few missing drivers when the Outlaws are in town.  I think my biggest takeaways are "was all this really necessary and how will it benefit the fans?"  I won't lose any sleep over which banner is hanging on the fence at a race.

Stan Meissner

Comparing giving more money for non qualifiers to socialism tells me everything I need to know about what you think you know but don't.

That just shows how F'in dumb he is. I never said pay the winner in the B-Main more than the winner of the A-Main.

Purse doesn't mean first place only.  The million paid 1,000,2023 to win the A main purse was 1.,331,223 the total event purse was like 1,500,000.

28,000 spread over 20 guys is not 28k for the winner.  

Thank you ! It's like talking to a rock. Nothing sinks in.

Dumb ass !

You are proving even more how much dumber you are.