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I was wondering if Brent marks is doing better Against The Outlaws than he did when he was an outlaw? Any comments as to why? Also I noticed they had 18 or 19 cars in the b-main but didn't have a c main. Why would they do that?

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They kept the show moving and I'm glad they didn't run a C main or two B mains.   

There's a big difference between running with the WoO full time and running with the WoO only on your best tracks. I believe Marks had Outlaw wins at Eldora and the Grove when he was a full time regular and he has a ton of laps at Lincoln. Having said that, he's finally taken the next step and able to overcome his lousy qualifying efforts. If he ever learns to qualify he's going to be a big star. 

I agree with you..I don't like the half mile tracks and like more smaller 3/8 tracks..3/8 on outside..Half milers are follow leader and boring..Sure glad there was no fillers tonight..

Tremendous night of racing, follow the leader, only passing on starts and restarts, rubber down for the last 10 laps. I mean if you didn't like that racing, there's something wrong with you. 

Dewease was coming. Unfortunately he needed the bottom, especially getting into 3. Running the middle he used up the RR. Lost a spot there at the end. I like the tandem announcing job, 2 pro's, nice job. Shatz was awful last night, the 72 and Tim Schaffer won't make it till seasons end. Car looked terrible, Schaffer had his hands full. Let's hope the 24 car has patience, he can't be happy with the performance of his team right about now. 

The dash and rubber down were the race. Both announcers together were excellent. When the lappers become the same speed as the leaders and there is basically one fast lane the race is over. Still entertaining but no passing late.

In Bruce's defense, when Lance is within 6 or 7 car lengths going into turn 3 at Williams Grove, he is "right there". His turn 3 sliders from downtown Dillsburg are his finishing move and many of his 99 wins (soon to be 100) came as a result of that move. No one on earth is better in turn 3 than Lance. I was very impress that Carson knew what to do to take that move away and hold on to the win on Friday night. He drove a hell of a race.

Well it looks like there are currently only 3 posse cars anywhere near competitive with the current WOOS and even the ASCOC front runners. It has to be more than horsepower took so weak on you home track. 28 and 51 come to mind,  plus 72 and 21.

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The All Stars got one top 5 at both Williams Grove and Port the last visit. The Posse even beat them at Bedford. I wouldn't exactly put them In the WoOs league, especially now that Reutzel is no longer with them. 

You're right fixx.  One of the best, if not the best, of Lance's moves was the one he put on Sammy. I think it was the B of the 2013 National Open. I can't find the video though to confirm the specific race. 

Brad Doty was one of the commentators and he couldn't believe the move.

JMO, & all track prep aside, but I still think one of the biggest thing that hurts racing on 1/2 mile tracks, especially at Williams Grove, is the flat top wings used now, as opposed to the dished wings of the past. 

When in doubt, gas it!!

Williams Grove gives half miles a bad name. Knoxville is of course 100 times better, but so is Port. Heck, Bristol had more action than the Grove. It's not "half miles", it's the Grove.

I am not trying to be facetious but please help me understand the attraction of the World of Outlaws at Williams Grove.  Personally, I have attended at least (25) events with the WOO at the Grove and have yet to see anything resembling an exciting race.  The time trials are drawn out with the pushing of the cars between the two pits, heat races with no passing, single file dash and less than stellar C/B mains.  The features are downright boring after the second lap.  I just look at the stands at every WOO event at the Grove and they are jammed pack with spectators, with so many new faces from the normal Friday night crowd.  It’s just hard for me to understand that the new fans of the sport walk away wanting to go back for the following week to see another race.  I am truly a diehard fan of sprint car racing and kills me to see that on the one of the World’s biggest stages of racing and the entertainment factor seems to always fall flat.  

There are just too many smart folks out there that have ton more experience and expertise of how to make the racing more completive. The World of Outlaws are a huge part of why Williams Grove has been successful for over 82 years. I just wish there was a way to figure this out.
 

Sad but true...

Posse was way more competitive when Freddy Rahmer Sr. & Greg Hodnett were racing

Its kind of like the Super Bowl.... reputation & hype

I was there both nights, racing pretty dull, but I realized that I like the spectacle of it all

Strange how Winged Strawser always whines about Port, but not The Grove

Port has had better racing every time I've been the last few years

Guy next to me was complaining about all the Larson fans... seemed like there were almost as many Larson t-shirts as DeWease ones

Ain't what it used to be...

It's not half miles that suck for racing it's Grove that sucks for racing.  Eldora just last weekend. Friday portion of the program Ruetzel 16th to 2nd; Schatz 17th to 3rd.   Saturday Schuhardt 21st to 2nd; Price-Miller 23rd to 10th. 

I'm guessing LD chasing down DS as the place was going nutz wasn't something we see much of anymore. The Outlaws are who they are for a good reason . They no how to qualify, because if you don't for whatever reason qualify well, fighting back is tuff against those guys.

i would like to see the outlaws make another visit to lincoln and/or port.  the gettysburg clash is the best show of the year and the nittany showdown seems too late in the year.  some of us are on to football by the middle of october.  

you might find people pass on the grove events if they can see the outlaws elsewhere.  as long as people keep turning out the way they are...there's no reason for the grove to make any changes or the outlaws to put pressure on them to do anything.

port has been smart in making themselves the home base for the all stars.  their two biggest shows are all start sanctioned now (i'm thinking of the 50 and weikert memorial).  i went to my first tuscarora 50 last year and the atmosphere rivaled or even surpassed the open.  you're not getting sweet and schatz...but tony stewart and tyler courtney isn't too bad.  i could imagine a day where the 50 is the knoxville nationals of the east...more so than the national open.

Went to the Friday show and except for the last couple laps of the feature it was a sleeper. Saturday I went to Selinsgrove to watch Lates & Limited Latres. I was keeping an eye on the Grove with the Race Monitor. Selinsgroves track was on the rough side (TOO MUCH WATER) but the Late Models & Limited Late Models were turning in many cases faster laps than the WoO at the Grove. Loking at the results, it looks like they finished where they started. Although Lance didn't win his 2nd & 3rd was tops for the both nights and he was the most competitive both nights. Luck of the draw & timing pretty much seal your fate of what your night will be. You can't get good at time trials if you don't do them all the time. The WoO take care of their travelers with this format.