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whemme
June 13, 2020 at 05:57:18 PM
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Why is that Knoxville can always complete their racing program without having to rework the track between races and other tracks can’t?



Darrin
June 13, 2020 at 07:05:21 PM
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Why is that Knoxville can always complete their racing program without having to rework the track between races and other tracks can’t?



Duncan's and Zook :)



Johnny Utah
June 13, 2020 at 07:22:23 PM
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With Strawser's post, race season has officially restarted in Central PA. Giddyup!



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June 13, 2020 at 07:47:37 PM
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Duncan's and Zook Smile



That would be the Dunkin family. :)

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Nick14
June 13, 2020 at 09:13:29 PM
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The track crew is the best in the business is the main reason but also the type of dirt/clay and it seems they start a little later than most places. They are able to do that because they run their program efficently so they don't have to worry about the heat & sun drying out the track during qualifying and heat races



longtimefan
June 13, 2020 at 10:22:55 PM
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Went races tonight. Saw 41 410's mid thirties Super Latemodels, 20 limit Latemodels and Strawser is complaining about a race that he did not attend. All is right with world again at least for a while.



beezr2002
June 14, 2020 at 12:11:46 AM
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Posted By: whemme on June 13 2020 at 05:57:18 PM

Why is that Knoxville can always complete their racing program without having to rework the track between races and other tracks can’t?



Because that place is awesome, they really know what they are doing. I was there a couple of years ago and I watched some darn good winged racing on a half mile. I hope to go back again

 If a track needs reworked to make it better I can deal with it usually.



linbob
June 14, 2020 at 02:16:19 PM
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Posted By: whemme on June 13 2020 at 05:57:18 PM

Why is that Knoxville can always complete their racing program without having to rework the track between races and other tracks can’t?



Sorry, but Knoxville TRIED to rework tack the first regular show with 410-360-Pace cars.  They did this on top 1/3 of track.  All they got were dry clods of dirt with no moisture that you could not repack.  This took time with no results.



Jamie Klootwyk
June 14, 2020 at 02:28:03 PM
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Posted By: linbob on June 14 2020 at 02:16:19 PM

Sorry, but Knoxville TRIED to rework tack the first regular show with 410-360-Pace cars.  They did this on top 1/3 of track.  All they got were dry clods of dirt with no moisture that you could not repack.  This took time with no results.



Wrong, Knoxville spent roughly 15 minutes knocking down a cushion that had gotten pretty tricky for an opening night event and was already close to the wall.  They did it to save race cars not to rework anything.



egras
June 14, 2020 at 06:51:33 PM
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Posted By: whemme on June 13 2020 at 05:57:18 PM

Why is that Knoxville can always complete their racing program without having to rework the track between races and other tracks can’t?



They know what they're doing and they put out a consistent product week in, and week out. 

What's amazing is that the track on Saturday night was "totally different" in some of the interviews of the drivers---and I'm not saying it wasn't-----but the racing was great again.  Track was "different" but really the end result was no dust, no rubber, and 2-3 grooves all night!!  They have it down to a science for sure and they execute it to perfection.  As Nick14 pointed out---start time, start time, start time.  If there is no weather threat, there will not be a race until the sun drops below the trees.  I heard (and read) plenty of people complaining about the fact that push trucks were still running the track in at 7:15.  It will be that way next time, the time after, and the time after that.  You want a good show or an early show?  I'll take the good show every single time unless there is a threat of rain at 10:00!!!

 

Keep up the good work Knoxville!



ThrowbackRacingTeam
June 15, 2020 at 12:50:23 AM
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Starting later is the way to go. Less support classes and later start time makes for a much better night. Perfect example was the difference between Donnellson and Burlington at the non-wing races last weekend. Donnellson started at 7pm with 2 support classes and had an excellent show and never had to touch the track. Burlington started at 6 with 4 support classes and had to rework track 3 times and the first dusty feature started close to midnight. 



alum.427
June 15, 2020 at 05:10:27 AM
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How many sprint cars where there ? How many SLM's where there ? Ya I'd say they have no idea what there doing.  I also think that if a few of the name drivers/ owners went to  address the track situation  you would see a change. Watch that car count next week, pretty confident it will be about the same.



steelcityguy
June 15, 2020 at 06:50:20 AM
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How many sprint cars where there ? How many SLM's where there ? Ya I'd say they have no idea what there doing.  I also think that if a few of the name drivers/ owners went to  address the track situation  you would see a change. Watch that car count next week, pretty confident it will be about the same.



I'm pretty sure Strawser and his boy toy Wingedspeed are giggling together as they sit in their living room.  They are hootin' and laughing because they love each others comments.

Now, on to the real world. I was there, both nights, so I can actually comment with some first hand knowledge.  Yes, the track turned into a slip and slide both nights, as I expected.  But if you watch the race, in person, you see what Strawser and his man boy Wingedspeed dont see, that's tons of passing throughout the field.  Saturday night's race had tons of passing in all divisions and Sunday night's did as well.  Would I prefer a less dry, slick track....yes, of course.  But there were plenty of exciting moments the entire weekend. 

My biggest issue with Port, aside from certain voices (and maybe one will quote me on Twitter again,lol), is the fact that they give hot laps sessions so many laps that it feels like a feature each and every time.  So when you have a ton of cars, like this weekend, the track gets used up so quickly.  You had almost 100 total cars there Saturday and last night was close to 80 so you can see how tons of laps in warm ups can burn up the track. Wait, so many cars?? That's not possible, Strawser says the track sucks so they couldn't possibly get that many cars. Now I'm confused because he is the authority on track prep.

So, in conclusion.....Port is just fine, could be a bit better and Strawser's opinion really means nothing to anyone, but great for laughs.



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Posted By: Jamie Klootwyk on June 14 2020 at 02:28:03 PM

Wrong, Knoxville spent roughly 15 minutes knocking down a cushion that had gotten pretty tricky for an opening night event and was already close to the wall.  They did it to save race cars not to rework anything.



Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!! Finding a dried up dusty dirt clod on that track I don't believe is possible!!

Your shoes still stick to it after the Feature when walking over to the infield.



longtimefan
June 15, 2020 at 08:17:26 AM
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Posted By: steelcityguy on June 15 2020 at 06:50:20 AM

I'm pretty sure Strawser and his boy toy Wingedspeed are giggling together as they sit in their living room.  They are hootin' and laughing because they love each others comments.

Now, on to the real world. I was there, both nights, so I can actually comment with some first hand knowledge.  Yes, the track turned into a slip and slide both nights, as I expected.  But if you watch the race, in person, you see what Strawser and his man boy Wingedspeed dont see, that's tons of passing throughout the field.  Saturday night's race had tons of passing in all divisions and Sunday night's did as well.  Would I prefer a less dry, slick track....yes, of course.  But there were plenty of exciting moments the entire weekend. 

My biggest issue with Port, aside from certain voices (and maybe one will quote me on Twitter again,lol), is the fact that they give hot laps sessions so many laps that it feels like a feature each and every time.  So when you have a ton of cars, like this weekend, the track gets used up so quickly.  You had almost 100 total cars there Saturday and last night was close to 80 so you can see how tons of laps in warm ups can burn up the track. Wait, so many cars?? That's not possible, Strawser says the track sucks so they couldn't possibly get that many cars. Now I'm confused because he is the authority on track prep.

So, in conclusion.....Port is just fine, could be a bit better and Strawser's opinion really means nothing to anyone, but great for laughs.



I agree, too many laps for hotlaps. You sit there thinking each sesssion they are never going to stop. Watch the top drivers they run a lap in each groove then just cruise. It has been a while since he raced but week after week Todd Shaffer would run a lap in each groove slow down and pull in on the bakstretch. People would think something happened to his car. What he really did was save green flag laps on the engine. The new time trial method will also add laps. They had the best and fastest time trial method around before. They could run time trials for mid thirties cars in less than 15 minutes.



sadiesue
June 15, 2020 at 08:41:48 AM
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Last night at tri-state speedway they reworked the track after time trials & after heat races.



sadiesue
June 15, 2020 at 08:42:33 AM
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Last night at tri-state speedway they reworked the track after time trials & after heat races.



steelcityguy
June 15, 2020 at 09:01:42 AM
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I agree, too many laps for hotlaps. You sit there thinking each sesssion they are never going to stop. Watch the top drivers they run a lap in each groove then just cruise. It has been a while since he raced but week after week Todd Shaffer would run a lap in each groove slow down and pull in on the bakstretch. People would think something happened to his car. What he really did was save green flag laps on the engine. The new time trial method will also add laps. They had the best and fastest time trial method around before. They could run time trials for mid thirties cars in less than 15 minutes.



Exactly.  We keep looking down at the flagman wondering why they haven't ended the session yet.  Never fails, it's every single hot laps session.  And I sure hope they work out the kinks in the new TT setup.  For a while last night they had one big ol' cluster*&$@ in the inner pit area, lol.  But I still love Port and will continue to be a reserved seat holder.



Ducer
June 15, 2020 at 12:42:41 PM
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Whoa....... first B strawser and now Winged Speed refusing to attend Port ...... That'll bring them to their knees.


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there is always the possibility that Freddie comes back while you stay home.



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