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The war on drugs has more to do with taking away civil rights than it does with safety. Drug testing doesn't make anyone safer. It puts money in the pockets of the pharmaceutical and testing companies, while taking it away from the racers and owners. It is a multi-billion dollar a year business. Many businesses are forced to use old out dated equipment because they are forced to run a drug testing program. Prevaricators state the tests are cheap but, do not take in account the added administrative costs. Drug testing is a feel good placebo at best. Lets keep big pharm and the government out of short track racing. We race because we love it. If I am ever forced to take a test at the track I will do the same protest I do when I'm forced to do it at work. The important thing is to make the testing company lose money. Dropping the cup, messing up the bathroom, diluting and going extremely slow costs money. No profit no reason to test. I'm not the only one with a spine. I would expect the resistance to be great when they try at a rural track.
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Posted By: chance2195 on December 01 2014 at 10:45:07 AM
The war on drugs has more to do with taking away civil rights than it does with safety. Drug testing doesn't make anyone safer. It puts money in the pockets of the pharmaceutical and testing companies, while taking it away from the racers and owners. It is a multi-billion dollar a year business. Many businesses are forced to use old out dated equipment because they are forced to run a drug testing program. Prevaricators state the tests are cheap but, do not take in account the added administrative costs. Drug testing is a feel good placebo at best. Lets keep big pharm and the government out of short track racing. We race because we love it. If I am ever forced to take a test at the track I will do the same protest I do when I'm forced to do it at work. The important thing is to make the testing company lose money. Dropping the cup, messing up the bathroom, diluting and going extremely slow costs money. No profit no reason to test. I'm not the only one with a spine. I would expect the resistance to be great when they try at a rural track.
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So you throw a fit when they test you at work, but I'd bet you still take the test (because it's a term of your EMPLOYMENT). Refuse to take the test, you're no longer employed (that's how pretty much every company works).
Big time racing (and the WoO, All-Stars, Renegades, NSL, Knoxville, Williams Grove, King of the West, etc. ALL fall into this category) is a BUSINESS. If they institute drug testing, it won't be the end of racing, it may weed out a few people from the ranks, but that's about it.
If the drivers are in favor of it (which it sounds as though they are), why do we (the fans) even care? I'd guess 99% of the drivers are clean anyway.
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New here, strange that this will be my first post.
I agree that there is a need for it. Tyler Walker is a prime example. Anyone who spent any time watching his antics would have little doubt that he was at the track under the influence more than once.
Is it cost prohibitive? Maybe. Does it matter? It shouldn't. The price of tragedy is much higher.
You don't have to test every driver. Have a "random" test. Have people pea-pick, just like for a qualifying spot. If you pick the right (or wrong) token, you get to do the testing. Even if you don't test the offender, the threat of possibly getting tested would help to curb the abusers.
How do you deal with states that legalize marijuana? I don't know. That's going to become an issue for all sports organizations going forward.
Punishments should be harsh. There's no place for drugs or alcohol in a race driver's system, in my opinion. If you need more than the high of high-speed competition, the sport doesn't need you.
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Posted By: StaggerLee on December 01 2014 at 09:30:36 AM
As usual you guys are missing this posters point. Collecting data from the Hosehead forum and the 12 posters on this thread is a poor way to compile data. If we all had our first and last name listed it might be different. Keyboard jockeys, myself included, often post comments that we would never say in a formal face to face interview where your comments would be followed by your first and last name. So to say that this info was compiled from fans is a bit misleading. This poster is just saying that when writing an article about a hot button topic like this, you should take some time and do real research and investigation before publishing an atricle that effects so many people like this does. The bashing of Jeremy was not needed, but his point is relevent and somthing that perhaps Jeremy should consider before rushing this 5 part article to the paper.
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The reason this hasn't rolled out yet is because I want to look at as many angles and talk to as many people as possible. This series will deal with the testing process, penalties, how it is done in Australia, etc. Drivers that have discussed this with me are Daryn Pittman, Danny Lasoski, Kerry Madsen, Lance Dewease and Donny Schatz. Tom Deery from the World of Outlaws also granted me an interview. Alan Kreitzer from Lincoln has also discussed the topic with me.
I'm checking into getting a couple more people before I write this. I will tell you, it's not an opinion piece. It is strictly what people are saying and the process that could be used, penalties, etc.
The reason I put a post on here is to get fan reaction. Too often, fans don't have a voice, so I wanted to try and provide that. As for first names and handles being used, sometimes a person feels more at ease making a comment on a what some think is a delicate matter. It had nothing to do with research.
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So you throw a fit when they test you at work, but I'd bet you still take the test (because it's a term of your EMPLOYMENT). Refuse to take the test, you're no longer employed (that's how pretty much every company works).
Big time racing (and the WoO, All-Stars, Renegades, NSL, Knoxville, Williams Grove, King of the West, etc. ALL fall into this category) is a BUSINESS. If they institute drug testing, it won't be the end of racing, it may weed out a few people from the ranks, but that's about it.
If the drivers are in favor of it (which it sounds as though they are), why do we (the fans) even care? I'd guess 99% of the drivers are clean anyway.
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Hardly throwing a fit sugar britches. I'm on the clock when I test. I like my job or I would find one without testing. It costs me about $ 500.00 a weekend to race. Most weekends I lose money. Someone has to pay for the testing. Raise the admission price? Lower the purse? Who pays? I should not be treated as a criminal because I have a job and race. I will fight testing no matter if it is at work or the track. I still believe in American freedom. We are not slaves to the corporate elite. It is sad so many people are beaten down and spineless.
If you would take the time to read the testing procedure required by the labs uncircumcised males are required to retract their foreskin and cleanse prior to providing a sample. Maybe you could get a job as a track cleanser.
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Hardly throwing a fit sugar britches. I'm on the clock when I test. I like my job or I would find one without testing. It costs me about $ 500.00 a weekend to race. Most weekends I lose money. Someone has to pay for the testing. Raise the admission price? Lower the purse? Who pays? I should not be treated as a criminal because I have a job and race. I will fight testing no matter if it is at work or the track. I still believe in American freedom. We are not slaves to the corporate elite. It is sad so many people are beaten down and spineless.
If you would take the time to read the testing procedure required by the labs uncircumcised males are required to retract their foreskin and cleanse prior to providing a sample. Maybe you could get a job as a track cleanser.
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If you don't do drugs, there is ZERO effect on you. You get PAID to take the test, no different than any of your other regular job duties (if you work in a factory and install 2 screws all day long, instead of doing that for 20 minutes, you go take a test.
You can fight drug testing all you want, but the bottom line is this. If there weren't IDIOTS that do drugs before they go to work and put others in danger, there would be no need for drug testing. Sadly, that is not the case. It's much CHEAPER to do random drug testing than it is to have a lawsuit on your hands because an employee that was high, drunk, or impaired KILLED another employee by having reduced reaction time, or judgement, or was too "lackadasial" about safety.
I think you mistake people being spineless as opposed to them being more safety conscious.
Most UNION jobs have mandatory drug testing, while most non-union jobs have random testing. Most would think it would be the opposite considering the Unions have bargaining power every couple of years. But the sad FACT is that the unions PROTECT the drug users jobs, so instead of random testing they have mandatory because they can't fire offenders whereas non-union jobs people can be fired by testing positive the first time.
Like I have said before, I have no issues with a BUSINESS (and make no mistake about it, racetracks are businesses) making a decision to have drug testing for competitors, employees, etc..
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If you don't do drugs, there is ZERO effect on you. You get PAID to take the test, no different than any of your other regular job duties (if you work in a factory and install 2 screws all day long, instead of doing that for 20 minutes, you go take a test.
You can fight drug testing all you want, but the bottom line is this. If there weren't IDIOTS that do drugs before they go to work and put others in danger, there would be no need for drug testing. Sadly, that is not the case. It's much CHEAPER to do random drug testing than it is to have a lawsuit on your hands because an employee that was high, drunk, or impaired KILLED another employee by having reduced reaction time, or judgement, or was too "lackadasial" about safety.
I think you mistake people being spineless as opposed to them being more safety conscious.
Most UNION jobs have mandatory drug testing, while most non-union jobs have random testing. Most would think it would be the opposite considering the Unions have bargaining power every couple of years. But the sad FACT is that the unions PROTECT the drug users jobs, so instead of random testing they have mandatory because they can't fire offenders whereas non-union jobs people can be fired by testing positive the first time.
Like I have said before, I have no issues with a BUSINESS (and make no mistake about it, racetracks are businesses) making a decision to have drug testing for competitors, employees, etc..
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Is this Ann Coulter? I sure liked Jimmie on Good Times. You're a lucky girl. Keep fighting the good fight. You'll surely get a show on Fox.
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Ann Coulter would be more popular at the track than you would think...there is no reason for grandstand stoners to have a man panic meltdown over efforts supported by DRIVERS to raise the standards from within the sport...none of the dialog from interested parties included a plan for piss testing fans.
Keep in mind, you can always stop by the demo derby if you want to watched stoners "race"...
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Ann Coulter would be more popular at the track than you would think...there is no reason for grandstand stoners to have a man panic meltdown over efforts supported by DRIVERS to raise the standards from within the sport...none of the dialog from interested parties included a plan for piss testing fans.
Keep in mind, you can always stop by the demo derby if you want to watched stoners "race"...
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What drivers support it BRR, why must you be an ass in every post you make? If everyone who was a "stoner" turned purple for one day you would be shocked at who the "stoners" really are. Politicians, doctors, lawyers, teachers, race car drivers not just the cheech and chong types that your closed mind believes every "stoner" is. Isnt this about drug testing drivers, not only for the devil weed, but all drugs including alcohol, which by the way is a much bigger concern to drivers than weed. Maybe you should give it a try, it may allow you to look beyond your TV for the answers about what is good and bad, and what is right or wrong. BTW who the hell uses the phrase "man panic meltdown" , you really hurt alot of feelings with that one LOL.
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Ann Coulter would be more popular at the track than you would think...there is no reason for grandstand stoners to have a man panic meltdown over efforts supported by DRIVERS to raise the standards from within the sport...none of the dialog from interested parties included a plan for piss testing fans.
Keep in mind, you can always stop by the demo derby if you want to watched stoners "race"...
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If you are into alleged females with huge adam's apples and large hands.
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Iif you fellas are going to ask the same questions over and over, perhaps you will read the thread as Jeremy clearly named drivers in favor of testing and I listened to a few internet radio shows where I remember Fred Rahmer and Donny Schatz endorsing the move.
I heard over the years that side effects of street drugs include paranoia...
and now for some entertainment >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eldoC6Ghyf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFTpqctEN4
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isn't this s timely headline?
http://www.fastcompany.com/3039229/researchers-develop-a-breathalyzer-for-pot
you gotta love science...
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Based on junk science:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/high-times/pot-breathalyzer_b_4182605.html
Sprintcar racing will die when the insurers declare racing is too dangerous. Keep repeating what the corporations tell you to say. The racing at Selinsgrove will be safer, less dangerous and less dusty at 20 MPH. 136 MPH is too fast for the drivers and the fans safety. Speed kills. Covering those open wheels will be for your safety. You can never be too safe. Bullet-proof glass on the catch fence, hearing protection, safety glasses, and dust masks will add to the safer racing environment. Everyone is for safety. Ask any driver.
This is fun!
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why would you quote the same huffington post that pounded sprint car racing relentlessly during the Ward / Stewart investigation ...which was thrown out on what amounted too drug charges?
this is the type of entertainment value that only stoners can bring to the table!
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why would you quote the same huffington post that pounded sprint car racing relentlessly during the Ward / Stewart investigation ...which was thrown out on what amounted too drug charges?
this is the type of entertainment value that only stoners can bring to the table!
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What planet are you from? The case didnt get thrown out because becasue of drug charges you idiot, it got thrown out because they could not compile any evidence against Tony Stewart, Ward was never the target of the investigation, the fact that ward had weed in his system should have never been eleased to the public, mostly because it had nothing to do with the accident and also because he was already dead. Funny not one person speculated that Kevin Ward was under the influence when he tried to tackle a moving sprintcar, that was the most un stoner move he could have ever tried.
Jeremy also stated that drivers are much more concerned about alcohol than other drugs being used. BBR you are the most Govt. pussy whipped little passive agressive bitch Ive ever had the pleasure of dealing with. I bet you still live with Mommy and Daddy, probably in their basement. Im sure you got beat up and picked on throughout your childhood and now you can play tough guy on the forum hiding behind your keyboard spewing unimformed BS at whomever will listen to it. Am i close Big Fat Rear? Now lets hear your stupid tough guy comebacks that you read or heard somone else say because you have never had an original thought in your life, you rely on the TV to give you an opinion.
What driver in their right mind would ever tell a journalist thats gonna print a public article, that they are against drug testing in Sprintcar racing? They might as well say Im a drug user. Look how you assume Im a stoner because I think drug testing is wrong. So you can take all those drivers telling Jeremy they are for drug testing and toss them in the trash because they are worthless biased answers. Im willing to bet at least one of those retired drivers you mentioned had a little beer in his system while driving and winning some of hundreds of races he won. please let this thread die already, please.
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What planet are you from? The case didnt get thrown out because becasue of drug charges you idiot, it got thrown out because they could not compile any evidence against Tony Stewart, Ward was never the target of the investigation, the fact that ward had weed in his system should have never been eleased to the public, mostly because it had nothing to do with the accident and also because he was already dead. Funny not one person speculated that Kevin Ward was under the influence when he tried to tackle a moving sprintcar, that was the most un stoner move he could have ever tried.
Jeremy also stated that drivers are much more concerned about alcohol than other drugs being used. BBR you are the most Govt. pussy whipped little passive agressive bitch Ive ever had the pleasure of dealing with. I bet you still live with Mommy and Daddy, probably in their basement. Im sure you got beat up and picked on throughout your childhood and now you can play tough guy on the forum hiding behind your keyboard spewing unimformed BS at whomever will listen to it. Am i close Big Fat Rear? Now lets hear your stupid tough guy comebacks that you read or heard somone else say because you have never had an original thought in your life, you rely on the TV to give you an opinion.
What driver in their right mind would ever tell a journalist thats gonna print a public article, that they are against drug testing in Sprintcar racing? They might as well say Im a drug user. Look how you assume Im a stoner because I think drug testing is wrong. So you can take all those drivers telling Jeremy they are for drug testing and toss them in the trash because they are worthless biased answers. Im willing to bet at least one of those retired drivers you mentioned had a little beer in his system while driving and winning some of hundreds of races he won. please let this thread die already, please.
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wrong on all accounts...you take this same attack the messenger approach on nearly every thread - scroll up and down if you need a reminder.
Can you name ONE driver who would refuse to enter a WoO race if they implemented a policy that drivers already race under when they travel to Australia?
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No they would stop using or use a cleaner so they could pee clean, what the hell does that have to do with anything? I only attack the messenger when they make uninformed jack ass comments over and over like you do, how can you be surprised when you get attacked, you talk shit in every post you make. Why cant you answer any of the questions I ask? Because you have no clue what to say, you need to go make sure someone else already said it, that why you always start posts with " well I heard... or I read..., think for yourself man.
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BRR, Please explain how Wards toxicology report got the case thrown out, I'll wait, but if you can't explain it will you admit your full of shit and have no clue?
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DOT? theres a great idea. God knows the dot has been great for small business accross the country.... maybe commercial tags on cars, random inspections with fines, commercial racing licenses, maybe extea taxes too. jesus christ you people wonder why all the jobs packed up and went overseas. and guess what? they are never comming back. Not one person on here has addressed the fact that a drug test has up to a 5% failure rate which means on any given night accross the country up to 5 racers and officials out of 100 can/will fail a saliva or piss test without doing no wrong. is every track going to have a test clinic readily available for these people to clear their name/reputation right then and there? Lets say they travel a significant number of miles flunk a test at the gate then dont get to race and a blood draw which can take days proves they were clean. WHO PAYS THE LOST PURSE MONEY, WHAT ABOUT POINTS, ETC.... you people might google things that can cause a false positive on a drug test. Does everyone need to bring a list of their prescriptions to the track now with a DR's note? Please someone answer with some ideas. Its not just as easy as saying lets have drug testing when ur not talking about 100% accuracy. It might be high but not 100% lets hear an idea and please leave australa out of it. this is america for christs sake.
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I see you are keeping your stream of meltdown posts alive...the toxicology report was presented to the grand jury and essentiually nullified the case with a failed jury vote...the USA Today report referenced it
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2014/09/24/column-tony-stewart-grand-jury-no-charges-kevin-ward-jr-death/16165885/
you do not have to belive me ...matter of fact, it would be an insult to my intelligence if you did.
have a nice day...smokem if you gotem
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