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Posted By: daboy on January 30 2013 at 04:12:43 PM
Vettel is good, but I can only say he is better than his team mate Weber. Red Bull has been THE best car in F1 the last couple, no make that 3 years. How do you think Vettel would have done if he was driving for lets say Force India? The car itself plays a HUGE role in F1. That being said, during the off season the driver spends alot of time testing the new car with the engineers. How much input in engineering changes to the new car, "if any" the driver has during that time is anybody's guess.
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Look at what he did in the BMW sled in his first start.....RBR was crap until he came along and yes, Adrian Newey was there the whole time....
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Wow, if this thread keeps this up it will qualify for the WWF (or whatever it is called) SMACKDOWN!
Let's face it...there are some on here who enjoy F1 and there are some (including me) who don't so why not let it rest? Just asking!
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Posted By: opnwhlr on January 30 2013 at 05:54:39 PM
Wow, if this thread keeps this up it will qualify for the WWF (or whatever it is called) SMACKDOWN!
Let's face it...there are some on here who enjoy F1 and there are some (including me) who don't so why not let it rest? Just asking!
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it is nice to see you all argue over who is the best driver in the world and what form of racing is the best, but that has nothing to do with the award.
the award was supposed to be for the best all around performing driver in 2012. mario even said it wasn't about championships, it was a bout winning and the ability to perform in general. with the emphasis on winning. mario said a driver who won a championship but didn't win a race wasn't even eligible for the award. i heard larson got the most first place votes. that means he got beat by two guys that got less first place votes, but got voted second or third or whatever, more times.
with close to 30 wins in several different types of cars on both dirt and pavement, and a championship in a car he never even drove and in a series he never competed in until the beginning of the year as well as the first ever drive for diversity member to win a championship i say that out performed vettel who did the same thing in the same car in the same series he has for the last few years. nothing outstanding there.
maybe vettel could kick ass at eldora or in the WOO or ASCS or in a midget or win in a stock car or get 3 out of 4 top 10 finishes in a truck, or get a chili bowl prelim win, or be the first to in history to win all 4 of the NZ midget series races the thing is...he didn't. larson did. maybe larson isn't a wine and cheese type driver. that might just be a good thing. because he blew the wine and cheese driver off the map as far as wins and the general ability to perform. and that is what the award was supposed to be about.
i know larson really wanted to win the trophy cup and the johnny key races as he knows he might not have the chance to run those many more times. he also might not have the opportunity to have the seasons he has had over the last two years because he may not run as many cars. so to overlook someone's performance just because he is not as big of a name or in as big of a series is just a disgrace. not just to larson, but to grass roots racers all over. larson was big enough to be included, the voters should have been big enough to give him his due. or they should just say they are awarding based on popularity or prestige.
so you yahoo's can go ahead and argue all you want over something that doesn't matter.
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All I know is: I'd pay $500 to watch a good 410 or Midget race, but you couldn't pay me $1,000 to go watch an F1 race, live or on tv.
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vettel drove a computer controlled by engineers in the pits. nothing against him for that, it is what he does. it is what the series is.
you don't really expect mario to do anything but congratulate whoever the award is given to.
if a grass roots driver who records more wins in more diverse equipment is not going to be honored because they don't compete on a big enough stage, why are they even nominated?
like i said, they should just call it the speed popularity award and cut the crap.
so you are acknowledging the award was given based on the size of the stage.
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on January 30 2013 at 06:17:26 PM
it is nice to see you all argue over who is the best driver in the world and what form of racing is the best, but that has nothing to do with the award.
the award was supposed to be for the best all around performing driver in 2012. mario even said it wasn't about championships, it was a bout winning and the ability to perform in general. with the emphasis on winning. mario said a driver who won a championship but didn't win a race wasn't even eligible for the award. i heard larson got the most first place votes. that means he got beat by two guys that got less first place votes, but got voted second or third or whatever, more times.
with close to 30 wins in several different types of cars on both dirt and pavement, and a championship in a car he never even drove and in a series he never competed in until the beginning of the year as well as the first ever drive for diversity member to win a championship i say that out performed vettel who did the same thing in the same car in the same series he has for the last few years. nothing outstanding there.
maybe vettel could kick ass at eldora or in the WOO or ASCS or in a midget or win in a stock car or get 3 out of 4 top 10 finishes in a truck, or get a chili bowl prelim win, or be the first to in history to win all 4 of the NZ midget series races the thing is...he didn't. larson did. maybe larson isn't a wine and cheese type driver. that might just be a good thing. because he blew the wine and cheese driver off the map as far as wins and the general ability to perform. and that is what the award was supposed to be about.
i know larson really wanted to win the trophy cup and the johnny key races as he knows he might not have the chance to run those many more times. he also might not have the opportunity to have the seasons he has had over the last two years because he may not run as many cars. so to overlook someone's performance just because he is not as big of a name or in as big of a series is just a disgrace. not just to larson, but to grass roots racers all over. larson was big enough to be included, the voters should have been big enough to give him his due. or they should just say they are awarding based on popularity or prestige.
so you yahoo's can go ahead and argue all you want over something that doesn't matter.
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on January 30 2013 at 06:17:26 PM
it is nice to see you all argue over who is the best driver in the world and what form of racing is the best, but that has nothing to do with the award.
the award was supposed to be for the best all around performing driver in 2012. mario even said it wasn't about championships, it was a bout winning and the ability to perform in general. with the emphasis on winning. mario said a driver who won a championship but didn't win a race wasn't even eligible for the award. i heard larson got the most first place votes. that means he got beat by two guys that got less first place votes, but got voted second or third or whatever, more times.
with close to 30 wins in several different types of cars on both dirt and pavement, and a championship in a car he never even drove and in a series he never competed in until the beginning of the year as well as the first ever drive for diversity member to win a championship i say that out performed vettel who did the same thing in the same car in the same series he has for the last few years. nothing outstanding there.
maybe vettel could kick ass at eldora or in the WOO or ASCS or in a midget or win in a stock car or get 3 out of 4 top 10 finishes in a truck, or get a chili bowl prelim win, or be the first to in history to win all 4 of the NZ midget series races the thing is...he didn't. larson did. maybe larson isn't a wine and cheese type driver. that might just be a good thing. because he blew the wine and cheese driver off the map as far as wins and the general ability to perform. and that is what the award was supposed to be about.
i know larson really wanted to win the trophy cup and the johnny key races as he knows he might not have the chance to run those many more times. he also might not have the opportunity to have the seasons he has had over the last two years because he may not run as many cars. so to overlook someone's performance just because he is not as big of a name or in as big of a series is just a disgrace. not just to larson, but to grass roots racers all over. larson was big enough to be included, the voters should have been big enough to give him his due. or they should just say they are awarding based on popularity or prestige.
so you yahoo's can go ahead and argue all you want over something that doesn't matter.
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Buzz your post makes a lot of sense even though red yellow won't see it. This guy is a know it all and you can't tell a know it all a damn thing.I for one will no longer give him a platform for his nonsense.
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i can't say for the most part i would object to that statement.
the thing is, larson didn't win 30 main events at his local track in a hobby stock. he won in national and international events large enough to get him nominated for the award.
if what he did was enough to get him nominated, it should have not been what held him from getting the award. kind of contradictory.
so why not just call the award a popularity award based on who the driver is and what series they run and not a performance award.
maybe they should have a blind vote and not know who the driver is, just their performance stats.
now what if we had a contest and that contest was said to be based on the performance of colors. lets say red and yellow out performed the other colors, but blue and green won because they were more popular. i mean, why even nominate red and yellow if you have to be blue or green to win.
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on January 30 2013 at 06:17:26 PM
it is nice to see you all argue over who is the best driver in the world and what form of racing is the best, but that has nothing to do with the award.
the award was supposed to be for the best all around performing driver in 2012. mario even said it wasn't about championships, it was a bout winning and the ability to perform in general. with the emphasis on winning. mario said a driver who won a championship but didn't win a race wasn't even eligible for the award. i heard larson got the most first place votes. that means he got beat by two guys that got less first place votes, but got voted second or third or whatever, more times.
with close to 30 wins in several different types of cars on both dirt and pavement, and a championship in a car he never even drove and in a series he never competed in until the beginning of the year as well as the first ever drive for diversity member to win a championship i say that out performed vettel who did the same thing in the same car in the same series he has for the last few years. nothing outstanding there.
maybe vettel could kick ass at eldora or in the WOO or ASCS or in a midget or win in a stock car or get 3 out of 4 top 10 finishes in a truck, or get a chili bowl prelim win, or be the first to in history to win all 4 of the NZ midget series races the thing is...he didn't. larson did. maybe larson isn't a wine and cheese type driver. that might just be a good thing. because he blew the wine and cheese driver off the map as far as wins and the general ability to perform. and that is what the award was supposed to be about.
i know larson really wanted to win the trophy cup and the johnny key races as he knows he might not have the chance to run those many more times. he also might not have the opportunity to have the seasons he has had over the last two years because he may not run as many cars. so to overlook someone's performance just because he is not as big of a name or in as big of a series is just a disgrace. not just to larson, but to grass roots racers all over. larson was big enough to be included, the voters should have been big enough to give him his due. or they should just say they are awarding based on popularity or prestige.
so you yahoo's can go ahead and argue all you want over something that doesn't matter.
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Well said.
Awards are just opinions, usually influenced by big $$$. Some people like F1, I like sprints. Vetter did geat at his thing, Kyle did great at several things...
BUT : this is definitely one of the funniest insult threads! "exwife's # on Caller ID"? "congrats on divorce"?.... teehee
I invite these guys to continue their entertaining exchange of thoughts until Volusia....
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Posted By: Ca Sprintcar fan on January 30 2013 at 06:23:25 PM
All I know is: I'd pay $500 to watch a good 410 or Midget race, but you couldn't pay me $1,000 to go watch an F1 race, live or on tv.
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Wow.. you must be financially secure.
I hereby declare that I will gladly attend ANY race for the low, low price of $999.98
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Posted By: Casprintman on January 30 2013 at 07:53:23 PM
Buzz your post makes a lot of sense even though red yellow won't see it. This guy is a know it all and you can't tell a know it all a damn thing.I for one will no longer give him a platform for his nonsense.
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i take offense that you think the other guy is a know it all. i always thought that was my job.
on a more serious note, when someone asks me why i think i need to know more than everyone else i tell them that is not true.
i don't think i need to know more than everyone else...........i'm perfectly content just knowing more than them. ;)
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Posted By: revjimk on January 30 2013 at 09:33:55 PM
Wow.. you must be financially secure.
I hereby declare that I will gladly attend ANY race for the low, low price of $999.98
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.........plus expenses.
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no he finished third, in a popularity award disguised as a performance contest. but still got the most first place votes.
anyway as far as vettel goes, let me quote Shania Twain... "so he drives a nice car, that don't impress me much."
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Posted By: Hawker on January 30 2013 at 05:31:13 PM
Not all teams use testing drivers, and the the teams that do, still use the primary driver to develop the car (original topic). And no, it wasn't the elimination of TC, it was the elimination of the "active" suspension...Yeah, you're right, I'm not afraid to chime in on things I KNOW (not think)...I always know when someone on here realizes that they're wrong, because it is then that they resort to name calling. Mission accomplished...
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You haven't accomplished anything here, Bub. Go back and re-read your own post. You are the one that threw the first name towards me. I hadn't called you anything but I did say red and yellow was a fool's fool (which the dipshit is). I don't know if you misunderstood that but, then, that would be like saying you're wrrrrrr........you're wwwwrrrroooo........okay, not exactly right. It must be damn hard to be a legend in your own mind, isn't it? Just accept that you fired the first name at me and I replied. In your own words, I must have made you realize your wrong because YOU resorted to the name calling first. Like I stated earlier, you didn't accomplish anything.
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just setting the record straight.
al gore has his own problems.
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After further review on HH's forum, we the people believe Kyle Larson won the award! 2 other guys believe the play stands! (overruled) 1st and Ten, Larson
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no one said anything about the state of california voting.
you are becoming delusional.
wait, let me correct that........you are becoming more delusional.
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Would the last one throwing a punch please turn out the lights?
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i am from the california half of the people voting. still like you said, if half the people are from califorina, that is only half, not most.
but in reality it would not matter to me what driver we were talking about or where they were from, i would have the same opinion.
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