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I'm still hacked because my brand new TK shirt is already out of date.  Darn it.

A person is different than a corparation. The Ford family has their name on millions of cars. Does that mean they can can no longer expect any privacy? If Mr Ford cheats on his wife does he have to tell everyone who owns a ford car or truck what he did and why?

Agreed.  I'm going on 63 and never dreamed back in the late 60's that we'd still be debating about this plant in 2014.  I guess Nancy must have done a pretty good job because this younger generation still pisses their pants whenever the subject comes up.  Someone suggested that we do a study on the long term effects.  I voted for Willie Nelson and Tommy Chong to volunteer for the study.  ;)

Stan Meissner

These guys would have been brutal on Opperman.

Stan Meissner

And  when the driver registers his name as a corporation and employs others,  then yes his product becomes greater than himself and his day to day living comes under the same scrutiny as other company employees. 

When you and your name ate the brand (product) that you profit from (being shirts etc) especially when you sell them in kid sizes.. You actions will come under more scrutiny and thus you have greater responsibility to set an example. 

Next you bloke's will be trying to say that he was suffering from "afluenenza" and he really didn't understand his actions... 

I did not know he owned the Roth  83 team and hired and paid everyone who worked on it.

President Obama will not even let us see his collage grades! But since Keading sold some t shirts he has to reveal everything?

You think maybe his lawyer told him not to talk about an on going investigation?

In Ohio a small amount will get you a fine & they take it. Over amount & or cut into quarters will get you some time in the pokey. It is said to be a drug & alcohol is said to be a disease. MY ASS. I don't believe that for a minute & with Alcohol causing so many deaths in years past why aren't they taxing that more like they are Cigarettes & Legal Marijuana. Because they do what they want to make the money & it will come a day when they hit Alcohol up too.

Once again.. Wow... I am sure his lawyer told him not to tell the truth... But does that make it right.. Ultimately there is a reason for this in the court rooms :

United States

Oath:

Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Note: In some cases "so help you God" may be replaced with "under pains and penalties of perjury"

What harm can the truth be?... Unless you are trying to act like a common criminal that won't accept responsibility for their actions. 

You can't have it both ways... Either you belive in personal responsibility (and at that time why can the truth be a bad thing) or you believe that all laws should not exist and thus anarchy prevails. 

Sounds like you're judging by piss tests rather than job performance. Ganja stays in your system for a month or so unlike more dangerous drugs or booze. I was fired  from a fab shop where not only most workers but the foreman were "tweakers" (meth & crack). Why? I think those guys worked like madmen, looked fast, but their stuff was constantly getting sent back from assembly for errors. 2 guys showed up every day stinking of booze. Foreman got caught red handed smoking crack or meth in his car during lunch break, got a one day suspension. I suspect he was dealing to the owner, a young guy who inherited the company. I NEVER got high on the job, took my time & did it right the first time.

So why all this madness? We were actually the "cheap foreign labor" for a Danish company, where workers get awesome benefits. Everything was built to metric dimensions. I got canned a few days before our meager benefits kicked in. I'm sure the drunks suffered the same fate. Tweakers? probably still there...

If a worker is dangerous or useless on the job, get rid of them by all means. But you may have messed up some people's lives far worse than the ganja they smoked.

I pretty much agree. 45 years experience.... although I think vaping is milder than smoking good herb, wax smoked in a glass pipe ("Dabs") is WAY too strong. Here in Colorado its legal, on 4/20 Day a local shop was giving away free dabs (limit one per person) One hit ruined my day... couldn't do anything, sat on my recliner & watched baseball, missed the festivities.

I feel sorry for any beginner trying wax just cause its legal

Common sense in ALL things!

Sheesh ... this thread is getting more traction than any other Eckert blog thread. Keep it going and Eck might start writing more about pot and less about sprint races.

Phil Taylor

home-theater-systems-advice.com

Then it would be boring! I can't read cannabis websites.... you gotta do something

The beauty of herb is that it heightens your appreciation of things like music, food, sex, nature.... and insanely over powered cars racing on little dirt tracks originally meant for horses....

I was out tonight drinking vodka, smoking cigars, and being Mr Happy enjoying my night out with my wife with a smile on my face when I came home and I read this thread and the following thought hit me.

My mind is a raging torrent flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into waterfall of creative alternative!

Then after thinking about all come backs and interpretations of those who thought this out....

 Oh Lord! Do we have the strength to pull off this mighty task off in one night...or are we just jerking off?

HAHAHAHA...I love sprint car racing and your all a bunch of fucks for debating this because we all have our own agenda's!

Meet me for some beers and lets just have some fun and enjoy the sprint car racing.

Mr Happy

So now your accusing him of lying and your certain it was under the direction of his attorney. Its probably good that your not an actual reporter because thats the the stuff that Liable is made of. 

Making no statement while court proceedings are going on is the most common advice your going to get from most any attorney, because that could be used against you in court as well.

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My apologies... I can see where you can read that in my post. .. I responded to a previous thread.(Oswald) .  I was trying to keep the context of the entire thread. I was not meant to be read by itself, but rather in context including "headaches" 

For the record... At anytime you are innocent and are telling the truth... I find it hard to believe how that can be used against you... Lol 

So... are you trying to say that he's "Liable" for libel?

And in the case of a well-known sprint car driver who did/does do it for a living, I'd be interested to see if the public figure doctrine would apply. In that case, it would only be libel if the libeler acted with actual malice. Given that there are no currently no documented details regarding this alleged incident, I'd say it's impossible to know for sure or not.

Funny how things like that work, eh? Pursuing a libel charge would in turn make all related and pertinent details of this alleged incident public record! 

Man this is a deep topic. IMO, he broke the law. It does not matter if the government has been lying to us, he broke the law. Being legal in a couple of states does not mean anything, it is illegal where he was pinched. When he did that Roth exercised his rights as a car owner and employer.

Hippy Lettuce has no place in the pits, I don't care who it is there is no place for it in racing. What would happen if, TK is involved in a racing accident and more than himself need to go to the hospital. While at the hospital TK's smoking of Wacky Tobacky is brought to light to the other drivers with a rather large hospital bill. Now you will have a couple of lawsuits going on, if it were me I would be going after TK, the track, and the WoO who address substance abuse in the rule book. But with the Sticky Icky staying in your system so long, nobody will know if he fired up before he got in the car or at the after party from a win last week.

So the point of what I am saying, who needs all that drama for a dance with Mary Jane?

BTW, I am a Browns fan we just lost our best receiver to Bob Marley.

Eckert may have uncorked the genie and this scrape ushers in the era of random piss tests for the WoO that is commonplace in other sports?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

I'm good with that. 

I don't aim to please.
I aim to hit the target.

I did mean libel, not liable, my mistake. It was getting late when I typed that.

My opinion was based on the statement that Cobra directly said he's certain that his attorney advised him to lie about what happened. If the person saying that was a professional reporter, I would guess you'd be pretty open up to be sued. And your right that alot of times people don't sue in those cases because it does open the book and then they have to open up what occurred to the public. Have you ever seen the doc. West of Memphis? Theres a great example of this within the West Memphis 3 murder case. I know this is a forum and most posters aren't professional and no ones getting sued, I just made the point because I thought it was a pretty drastic accusation.

Cobra, I kind of thought the headache tweet was probably what you were allueding to, I just didn't know where the context was coming from. No problem, good conversation though, all be it a bit heavy.

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