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October 12, 2015 at
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Posted By: SamHerring14 on October 12 2015 at 07:48:45 AM
So, you will hook the cars up more, as everyone will run with the wing as far back as they can! none of your posts seem to have any knowledge. As far as heat races go, I doubt the drivers are messing with their wing much in a heat race anyway. The more you unhook the cars the MORE reliant they will be on the preferred line.
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really now?
How can you watch an F1 race and not HEAR the phrase "DRS Zone"...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_reduction_system
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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October 12, 2015 at
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sorry Sam - was trying to reply to cubic and copied the wrong post!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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October 12, 2015 at
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I don't give a fuck what ascar or f1 or indy car does. F1 and indy car allow driver adjustable suspension and cup allows driver adjustable track bar. Nascar and indy car have become spec series and f1 is getting there.
You seem to think that sprint car teams should have to drain the fuel out of the car and take them to the scale every time they make a chassis change in order to check the damn wing angle.
Every time a regulations or rule restriction is made in order to standardize something, all it does is make for more follow the leader racing because everyone has the same thing. The racing suffers because everyone is voing thr same speed with the same setup.
Like i said if you want to lower the wings then just put a little dish and belly back in them so there is actually a better trade off between drag and down force wben youbrun them higher. used to be you had to weigh wing angle with drag and minimal downforce gain. Now there is no down force unless you stand them up so standing them up a little more isn't that much of a drag penalty compared to the force it creates.
to indy and beyond!!
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October 12, 2015 at
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Posted By: SamHerring14 on October 12 2015 at 07:48:45 AM
So, you will hook the cars up more, as everyone will run with the wing as far back as they can! none of your posts seem to have any knowledge. As far as heat races go, I doubt the drivers are messing with their wing much in a heat race anyway. The more you unhook the cars the MORE reliant they will be on the preferred line.
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He already wants to regulate how far back the wing can be run. He says driver adjustment should be taken away, then sites f1 and indy car who both have more driver adjustible controls than any other racing. Even cup cars have driver adjustable track bars.
Drvers sre complaining that the racing is getting harder to pass and come from very far back to the front because the cars are all so alike, and now this nit wit wants to try to control it more by making everyone more alike.
Be hasn't even realized that the thing that is hooking the cars up more and more aren't tires and wings, it is shocks.
to indy and beyond!!
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October 12, 2015 at
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no one said sprint car racing couldn't survive without adjustable wings. also just about every major racing series has some for of driver adjustments in the car. indy car has anti roll bars and weight jackers and maybe even shock adjustments that can be done by the driver. the driver can even adjust the fuel. cup now has driver adjustable track bar.
f1 doesn't need many driver adjustments because it is done by a computer. and don't f1 still have wings that automatically adjust on the track at certain points, so the driver doesn't have to?
a 50 dollar wing slider isn't going to save anyone shit. i have NEVER heard a driver or owner tell their motor builder they don't want the most power out of the motor they can get. your fucking wing slider will not save a dime on motors, tires, or anything else.
i have raced for weeks on end at times and not had the driver move the damn wing at all and it has not saved anything. yes there are times that the wing does get moved, but sometimes it doesn't. why? because we jack the piece of shit thing up so high in the first place to even get it to do anything that moving it back doesn't do much.
or we just start with it back a little to begin with.
you keep side stepping the fact that every restriction leads to more follow the leader racing and less passing.
your idea that people are coming from the back because they have unhooked the cars is rediculous. if there cars were unhooked they would be going good on a fast track and slow down when the track goes away. the reason somwe people go fast as the track slows down is because they are set up to run better as the fuel burns off and the hooked up set up they have starts to work.
the best way to kill a racing series is to regulate it out of existence.
now go back to your bench racing.
to indy and beyond!!
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October 13, 2015 at
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Wing angle when Heats, Main? Most Heats are follow the leader if they go green with 30 or fewer cars... Passing only happens when the tracks get hard aka packed down in the Main.
Wing angle would be easy to do. Just measure from the top of the frame to under the back of the wing. Wing tree could only be so high. Nothing with ground angle of car etc would change wing height or angle. Everyone warms motor. When Idling come by run wing all the way up and measure wing tree height.
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