Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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Good catch.  I was thinking backwards.  Or probably not thinking at all.  Still it wouldn't be hard to figure what the maximum could be and go from there.

"Boo Hoo....my car won't stick without more downforce and I can't get by the guy in front of me".........Well I am listening and the ones whining need to be able to drive the damn car....not just steer it in a straight line! Sprint cars have already been turned into a straight line race car, why add to that? Change some things up so the cars are more drivable and we'll have better racing. And...Where did Jeff Swindell come in to this? I must have missed something. I thought the comments were from Brad Doty.

Didn't know that them big dollar teams are using bleeders in their fronts !!

I'm not sure , however you guys are the experts. If rear tires go flat, doesn't that lower wing angle ? 

Another expert , it's 60" x 60" bud. 

You are on the wrong board Gary. I didnt know simple math and facts were allowed on this one.

Since we're dealing with facts here Mr. Herring, I'd point out that Jeff Swindell has indeed raced a 410 in the last 15 years.   He raced the #94 either last year or in 2013 at the Knoxville 410 Nats...

Jeff Swindell hasn't raced a 410 in 15 YEARS?!?! I guess you've never heard of the Nationals?

I'm not sure whether the answer is tires, wings, or anything else, but I wish something would change.   I'm headed out to Devils Bowl next weekend for the Winter Nationals.   I'll probably be in a hurry to get out there Friday night.   I'm not sure why, because I fully expect to see little or no actual racing during the heats.   Whatever order they come out of turn two on the first lap may well be the finishing order.   If I'm lucky it'll slick some for the feature and I may see some racing.   With any luck the track dries out fast on Saturday and the racing may be better or even good.   I agree completely with Cubic's first sentence here.    Fast times on the stopwatch don't necessarily translate to good racing.

Some will point out that this show is ASCS and not WoO.   I see very little difference having also attended the last two WoO shows at the Bowl.   The Outlaws maybe a tick faster on the stop watch, although you really can't tell it visibly, but the racing quality is about the same.    Maybe it's track configuration, maybe it's just winged racing.  But I wish it would improve.

My bad, I attended that Nationals to. Guess I missed what race he was in. Hasn't been full time or a player in 15 years. So I don't think his opinion should matter. All I know is the more people listen to this board, the worse the racing will become. You guys are all about big money teams having an advantage. Well the more rule changes will only benefit these guys! That's what you don't understand. 

never before in modern history have so many non outlaw teams won races! Greg Wilson won from 9 at Eldora on used tires, so they can't be that bad?????  Dietrech from 9 at the Grove. Blaney from 9 at Lernerville, Mc Carl from 9 ( Nats Prelim ), TK from 14 ( NSL final ) Jacob Allen from 17 or 18 to challenging for the win at Deer Creek! Should I go on???? Oh, stewart from 14 at Kings Royal. 

The only ones that will benefit from rule changes are the big teams. testing etc 

Sprint cars aren't that complex,wheel spacing and offset,stagger,shocks and bars.Any sprint car guy with a little knowledge will figure out quickly what the car wants,it aint rocket science.

How come Outlaw teams have crew chiefs then?? 

Horsepower costs big money so yeh, the big money teams will always have that advantage. Especially when the adjustability of the car is limited which is what the rules packages focus on today. A good team with respectable horsepower just might come up with a combination that could out race huge horsepower, given the opprtunity to make wholesale changes to the set up. But, without a more open adjustability rules package, respectable horsepower has little chance. I guess my question is this. Do we have better racing today with 900 HP than we did when we had 700HP? When we had 700HP more was allowed to be done with the car set up.

So the driver can concentrate on driving instead of the car, but you know that.There are many sprint cars raced all over this country with just a couple of crew guys doing what the driver tells them, I would say these teams are actually the majority.With a dirt track its usually just an educated guess, and even the best crew chiefs often get it wrong, we see it all the time.

And with the 600-700 hp motors, they didnt want the wings standing way up, they didnt have the motor to push them, it would have just slowed them down.

+1

reduce both wings and sideboards by 10%. 

harder tires and reduce the max height and width of both rear tires.

make the driver more important AND reduce the advantage of more HP.

Go back to dished wings and 18" RR tire and all problems will

be solved 

You are assuming the scales and the area in the pits where the team works on the car are both exactly level? Or the car sits at the same angle at both?

What if the team makes an adjustment to the rear of the car or front of the car during a red and it changes the angle of the car, including the wing?

You do know wings change angle when they move back and forth don't you? So just where exactly along the wing travel are you going to check the angle. So a driver could have the wing back and be at more angle and just roll it all the way forward coming off the track and by the time they hit the scales it is down.

Cars raise in the back as fuel burns off. That can change the wing angle.

You see, things are not so simple.

to indy and beyond!!

+2

F1 have driver adjustable suspension. So do indy cars. But we are not talking about them.

You didn't address the question of what happens when the team sets the wing angle in the pits and it is ok but it is not the same at the scales because the car sits different in both places with no changes to it at all.  now you want to do away with wing sliders?

Everyone already has to run the same wing the same tires the same basic body etc. Now youbwant them to run the same wing angle. What's next? Lets just make everyone have the same color car and number and also wear the same underwear. you are never going to make things perfect and the more you fuck with it, the worse it makes it.  everytime you try to take something from a racer, they figure out how to get twice as much back from it. Every time you make a rule it ends up costing more money in the long run. Lets just restrict the hell out of everything. Lets just make everyone fun the same shocks and bars and set their cars all up the same.

You think all your restrictions will make things cheaper. When has that ever happened in sprint car racing? Every time they restrict something people spend a ton of money to figure out a way around it.

You want to lower the wing angle? Then put aittle dish and belly back in the wings and guys will lower them some. A flat wing raised up plants the car harder than a slightly dished and bellied wing that is not run so high. 

to indy and beyond!!

So, you will hook the cars up more, as everyone will run with the wing as far back as they can! none of your posts seem to have any knowledge. As far as heat races go, I doubt the drivers are messing with their wing much in a heat race anyway. The more you unhook the cars the MORE reliant they will be on the preferred line.