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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 04 2015 at 12:11:00 PM
"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell
Dewease thinks the problem is easily solved. "The late models went through this years ago," Dewease said. "They had a big right rear and had all these wedges to put in the car, and it was too easy to go fast. We have the same problem. They went to a narrow tire and unhooked the cars and now, they have to race."
"That's what we need to do. The tires have gotten so good, that we need to go to a smaller tire." - Lance Dewease
It was an eye-opener to some when they compared the right rear tire of a late model to that of a sprint car (at the World Finals).
The right rear tire of the late model is considerably smaller in circumference and width. The late model also weighs twice as much as a sprint car, but yet, uses half the tire.
At one time the late models had wedge bodies and plexiglas wings and sideboards all over them and they also used a big soft floppy right rear tire. When they finally outlawed the wedge bodies and went to the harder and smaller tire, the racing arguably got a whole lot better. Those who have been advocating for smaller and harder tires for sprint cars say that something could be learned from the late models.
I've had an ongoing argument/debate with a couple of drivers who want to solely blame the racetrack when, on occasion, the racing isn't what we hope it would be. If it weren't for the late model race, where they were passing, I'm sure those guys would still say it was the fault of the racetrack and that it "was too fast" and not slick enough for the sprint cars. But the argument goes right out the window when the late models were able to pass and put on a good race on the same racetrack. - Brad Doty
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Then why don't you just go watch late models and stop bitching about sprint car racing.
I see great racing at Knoxville every Saturday night with these tires. That is due to outstanding track prep. When the same cars & tires put on a great show on some tracks and a poor one on others what is he difference. Track prep. Late model tires on a sprint car will still put on a crappy show on a crappy track!
The slower cars go the more they will run side by side. The 4 cylinder class around here runs 2 & 3 wide constantly during their races. Of course they are going about 45 mph. Is that great racing? Not to me.
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April 04, 2015 at
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There is no press release that says this years tire is softer than last years. The 15 compound is harder than the 12 they ran last year.
The HR isnt so much softer as it is just a compound that works better on dusty tracks. Just like when they ran the D series compound and had an RD version. you can try to wiggle out of your BS by trying to change the subject to tire constuction but that doesnt chenge the fact that the tires are harder.
to indy and beyond!!
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April 05, 2015 at
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Yes, the outlaws really suck. Seven drivers within 50 points. It is so hard to decide whose bandwagon to jump on. :)
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April 05, 2015 at
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it was just recently that they were running a 12 compound. if i was slightly off on the time frame it is irrelevant.
you keep throwing around the term "soft" like there is a great difference in the compound between an HR15 and and H15. there isn't. the difference in hardness is minimal. even the press release you tout uses the term "slightly softer H compound". it is still a 15 compound but just a little different make up that allows the tire to work better on dusty tracks.
the HR15 is still a harder compound than the goodyears that were run just a few years ago as well as the 12 compound hoosiers that were run in the recent past.
to indy and beyond!!
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April 05, 2015 at
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like i said the hoosiers are a harder compound.
you can ping pong your argument back and forth all you want between compound and constuction, it doesn't change that.
if you are going to argue softness based on a sidewall then the HR is no softer than the H because they use the same constuction.
there is one big difference between the hoosier and the goodyears, the goodyears failed because of the non ability to properly handle the sidewall flexing that is needed in a sprint car tire. especially the LR.
also the softer compound on the stiff sidewall tends to grate the rubber off the tire more as the sidewall is not deforming as much. that is why the goodyears wore the rubber off the tire more.
to indy and beyond!!
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April 06, 2015 at
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Like I said the Hoosiers they're running now are a harder compound then the good years they were running before.
It really doesn't matter when the last time they ran a softer compound Hoosier. all that matters is they are now running a harder Hoosier than they have in the past. Since you conveniently managed to completely ignore my last post I guess you don't have any problem with it.
to indy and beyond!!
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April 07, 2015 at
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Nice to see that Pubic hasn't changed one myopic bit over these many years. Still a douche to the bitter end.
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April 12, 2015 at
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The top 9 at Calistoga were Outlaws, rough night for Cubes.
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April 12, 2015 at
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Like I've said before, if they're so great and you enjoy it so much, go watch late models. Why watch sprint cars if they make you so miserable?
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April 12, 2015 at
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What was the excuse for placerville again? I forgot, haha
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April 12, 2015 at
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Oh, so it was better when Steve Kinser won 2/3 of the races?
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April 13, 2015 at
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6/9 races for the outlaws in CA, that aint half bad. the other 3 wins came from cars with unlimited budgets...
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April 13, 2015 at
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Every series have rules you knuckle head!,
Get over Gravel beating a Posse , posse is over it now it's time for you. It's called racing
and most series have drivers that always dominant
allstars Blaney schaffer a few years back
nascar jimmy jJohnson, Dale Earnhardt, Richard petty
swindells chilly bowl
Top Fuel john force
etc and even when it comes to professional sports.
Sometimes they find things that truly work and no body else knows.takes longer to figure it out.
Steve Kinser did, now D Shitz
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April 14, 2015 at
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Cubic...........
Why do you hate sprint car racing?
Keep It Real
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April 14, 2015 at
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Posted By: YungWun24 on April 14 2015 at 08:08:42 AM
Cubic...........
Why do you hate sprint car racing?
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And.............................why is the nitwit still haunting this board?
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April 14, 2015 at
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Once again, if sprint cars make you so miserable and you feel late models are where it's at, GO WATCH LATE MODELS. Piss and moan all you want but the rules aren't going to change just because you want them to and people aren't going to stop buying Triple-X chassis just because you don't like them. As far as Schatz only dominating outside of central Pa, are you dilerious, stupid or both? Schatz has done quite a bit of winning in central Pa. In fact, he has 18 career wins at Williams Grove which is more than Brian Montieth and 2 time track champion Jim Nace plus many other big names from the past and present. He also happens to have more National Open wins than anyone does. I don't know the exact figure, but I'll bet his win percentage at Williams Grove is higher than anyone with as many or more starts than he has. Not to mention, all of those wins came in World of Outlaws competition and we all know that Central Pa sees its most talented fields when the WoO are in town. I am a Posse fan through and through and you won't find anyone happier than me when I get to see one of our guys beat the Outlaws but I refuse to ignore the facts and the facts are, the World of Outlaws are the best in the business and Donny Schatz is the best driver on the tour right now and has been for quite some time. 98% of Posse fans know this and will gladly admit it but unfortunately, there's a select few idiotic Posse jock riders such as yourself who give us all a bad reputation by posting nonsensical bullshit on this and other message boards so please, as I stated previously, go watch your precious little late models that you're always raving about. The sprint car fans on this message board won't miss you at all.
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April 14, 2015 at
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Posted By: fiXXXer on April 14 2015 at 03:26:45 PM
Once again, if sprint cars make you so miserable and you feel late models are where it's at, GO WATCH LATE MODELS. Piss and moan all you want but the rules aren't going to change just because you want them to and people aren't going to stop buying Triple-X chassis just because you don't like them. As far as Schatz only dominating outside of central Pa, are you dilerious, stupid or both? Schatz has done quite a bit of winning in central Pa. In fact, he has 18 career wins at Williams Grove which is more than Brian Montieth and 2 time track champion Jim Nace plus many other big names from the past and present. He also happens to have more National Open wins than anyone does. I don't know the exact figure, but I'll bet his win percentage at Williams Grove is higher than anyone with as many or more starts than he has. Not to mention, all of those wins came in World of Outlaws competition and we all know that Central Pa sees its most talented fields when the WoO are in town. I am a Posse fan through and through and you won't find anyone happier than me when I get to see one of our guys beat the Outlaws but I refuse to ignore the facts and the facts are, the World of Outlaws are the best in the business and Donny Schatz is the best driver on the tour right now and has been for quite some time. 98% of Posse fans know this and will gladly admit it but unfortunately, there's a select few idiotic Posse jock riders such as yourself who give us all a bad reputation by posting nonsensical bullshit on this and other message boards so please, as I stated previously, go watch your precious little late models that you're always raving about. The sprint car fans on this message board won't miss you at all.
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Oh great. Now you've done it. Now we're going to have to hear how Dewease who won in his XXX at Lincoln this weekend gets free cars, Hodnett who won at Port in his XXX this weekend would never run them, and Westhafer who won at the Grove in his XXX is going to have his chassis fall apart. 3 out of 4 410 races in PA won by XXX ... Cubic is going to hang himself from the Grove walkway bridge.
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April 15, 2015 at
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April 15, 2015 at
09:24:09 AM by Johnny Utah
SCENE: Bruce Springsteen concert. (Anytown, USA)
Bruce: You know, I've gotten bored singing the same songs, night after night after night. I've decided to mix it up and redo some of my old titles. I've retitled this old ditty "The Ballad of CubicDollars". You'll know the song when you hear it. 1! 2! 1-2-3-4!!
(guitar riff kicks in)
I knew a guy, was sprint car fanboy
Back in high school
He had opinions on everything, yeah
Sure looked like a fool boy
Saw him the other night on this message board
He was signing in, I was signing out
I went back inside, sat down, I read his posts
Of course all he kept talking about was
Glory days! Positivity is hard to come by, Glory Days!
Frames only built by American guys, Glory Days!
Glory daaaay-ay-ays!
Well there's some teams, that live up the block
Back in the day they could bust the outlaws heads
Sometimes on a Friday I'll stop by
And catch a few heats after the crowds have gone dead
Posse and their money they’ve dried up
I guess it's two years gone by now
I just sit around talking about the old tires,
I say when I feel like cryin I go
On and on about
Glory days! Williams Grove is pie in the sky, Glory Days!
Outlaws raid PA for their guys, Glory days!
Glory daaaay-ay-ays!
Think I'm going down to Hoseheads tonight
And I'm going to whine till I get my fill
And I hope when I get older I don't sit around typing about it
But I probably will
Yeah, just sitting back watching some old races
For a little of the glory, soft tires stick today
There should be no grooving of them, so we’ll have the
Great races of
Glory days!, All my drivers, aren’t as spry. Glory Days!
No frames made by Chinese guys, Glory Days!
Glory daaaay-ay-ays!
David Gravel spun my guy, Glory Days
Wolfgang and Kinser battlin’ guys, glory days
Glory daaaay-ay-ays
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April 15, 2015 at
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on April 15 2015 at 09:07:24 AM
SCENE: Bruce Springsteen concert. (Anytown, USA)
Bruce: You know, I've gotten bored singing the same songs, night after night after night. I've decided to mix it up and redo some of my old titles. I've retitled this old ditty "The Ballad of CubicDollars". You'll know the song when you hear it. 1! 2! 1-2-3-4!!
(guitar riff kicks in)
I knew a guy, was sprint car fanboy
Back in high school
He had opinions on everything, yeah
Sure looked like a fool boy
Saw him the other night on this message board
He was signing in, I was signing out
I went back inside, sat down, I read his posts
Of course all he kept talking about was
Glory days! Positivity is hard to come by, Glory Days!
Frames only built by American guys, Glory Days!
Glory daaaay-ay-ays!
Well there's some teams, that live up the block
Back in the day they could bust the outlaws heads
Sometimes on a Friday I'll stop by
And catch a few heats after the crowds have gone dead
Posse and their money they’ve dried up
I guess it's two years gone by now
I just sit around talking about the old tires,
I say when I feel like cryin I go
On and on about
Glory days! Williams Grove is pie in the sky, Glory Days!
Outlaws raid PA for their guys, Glory days!
Glory daaaay-ay-ays!
Think I'm going down to Hoseheads tonight
And I'm going to whine till I get my fill
And I hope when I get older I don't sit around typing about it
But I probably will
Yeah, just sitting back watching some old races
For a little of the glory, soft tires stick today
There should be no grooving of them, so we’ll have the
Great races of
Glory days!, All my drivers, aren’t as spry. Glory Days!
No frames made by Chinese guys, Glory Days!
Glory daaaay-ay-ays!
David Gravel spun my guy, Glory Days
Wolfgang and Kinser battlin’ guys, glory days
Glory daaaay-ay-ays
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Its been a long freakin' time since a message board post made me laugh like this one did. Very very well done my friend!
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April 16, 2015 at
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Posted By: fiXXXer on April 14 2015 at 03:26:45 PM
Once again, if sprint cars make you so miserable and you feel late models are where it's at, GO WATCH LATE MODELS. Piss and moan all you want but the rules aren't going to change just because you want them to and people aren't going to stop buying Triple-X chassis just because you don't like them. As far as Schatz only dominating outside of central Pa, are you dilerious, stupid or both? Schatz has done quite a bit of winning in central Pa. In fact, he has 18 career wins at Williams Grove which is more than Brian Montieth and 2 time track champion Jim Nace plus many other big names from the past and present. He also happens to have more National Open wins than anyone does. I don't know the exact figure, but I'll bet his win percentage at Williams Grove is higher than anyone with as many or more starts than he has. Not to mention, all of those wins came in World of Outlaws competition and we all know that Central Pa sees its most talented fields when the WoO are in town. I am a Posse fan through and through and you won't find anyone happier than me when I get to see one of our guys beat the Outlaws but I refuse to ignore the facts and the facts are, the World of Outlaws are the best in the business and Donny Schatz is the best driver on the tour right now and has been for quite some time. 98% of Posse fans know this and will gladly admit it but unfortunately, there's a select few idiotic Posse jock riders such as yourself who give us all a bad reputation by posting nonsensical bullshit on this and other message boards so please, as I stated previously, go watch your precious little late models that you're always raving about. The sprint car fans on this message board won't miss you at all.
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And as is sometimes said "the grass is always greener." Go to 4m.net (More trolls than this place has, but that is beside the point), and read all the offseason threads about big name LM guys losing rides, not being able to get rides, retiring in their primes or just past their primes due to travel and cost.
The financial issues are not limited to 410 racing, and there are plenty of places where late model racing is struggling. There are two national tours LM and a number of regional tours that do pretty well, but their are also more late model tracks than there are 410 tracks in this country. This is because there are more places with stock car heritage than Open Wheel and they tend to be in areas where racing is a more generally accepted form of local entertainment (Less NIMBY'S). No form of racing is perfect and they all have rules (also, if you think loosening up the rules will help, look at all the crap about LM suspension packages over the offseason and the rules that were implemented.)
No form of local racing is in "great" shape, but Sprint cars are relatively healthy, and maybe in the long run the loss of the big money local teams will even out, and help convince more weekend warriors to give a higher level of racing a go.
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