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Larson is a big, brave man when he is in the protection of his racecar.  He will "move" or wreck anyone.  However, he is quite the runner when confronted outside a racecare for his actions.  His running from Bubba Wallace was hysterical. 

Thank you for proving my point from earlier. That's why I said had Larson defended himself in any way, he would be the bad guy. Kudos for being the first to pull out the race card....smh.

Thank you for proving my point from earlier. That's why I said had Larson defended himself in any way, he would be the bad guy. Kudos for being the first to pull out the race card....smh.

Larson is a big, brave man when he is in the protection of his racecar.  He will "move" or wreck anyone.  However, he is quite the runner when confronted outside a racecare for his actions.  His running from Bubba Wallace was hysterical. 

I thought the two were friends? Does that change if you're in a roller derby?

Personally I think Wallace gets a bad rap most of the time.  I don't think he's in cup because of his race.  He's won a couple of cup races which I'm sure is more than anyone on this board has, so I don't think anyone on here is capable of judging his talent.

However this is just my opinion.  Bubba is claiming he "got shoved into the fence intentionally".  However when I watch the replay I see the 2 cars didn't make contact until AFTER Bubba got into the wall.  When I think of "got shoved into the fence intentionally" I picture Wallace in the wall with Larson slammed into him on the other side.  It's hard for me to say he "got shoved into the fence intentionally" if they didn't make contact before he hits the wall, it looks to me like Bubba drove into the wall on his own.  Maybe if he had lifted a little instead of being so proud of not lifting, he might not have hit the wall?  Larson is an aggressive driver but I wouldn't call him dirty.  Once Bubba watches the replays I think he will realize it wasn't as bad as he initially thought.  However ALL of his actions after the fact are completely unacceptable.  But no he doesn't deserve a suspension.  Retaliation has happened for years in all kinds of racing and rarely results in a suspension.  For NASCAR to claim that now isn't a good time for retaliation because of the safety status of the car would not be a good look for NASCAR.  Because if this car isn't safe enough for retaliation, it really shouldn't be on the track.  And shoving has happened for years without suspensions.  Also I believe Larson handled everything right, nothing positive was going to come out of him retaliating.

Typically I feel kind of bad for Bubba because he gets such a bad rap but his actions today were 100% wrong in my opinion.  As far as Larson's performance this year, I think he's trying too hard sometimes.  For the most part this car is a joke.  So much of the racing this year has been out of the driver's hands.  Whoever wins the championship this year, it's going to be mostly because of luck.  How funny would it be if in the final 4 race the last 4 drivers didn't finish because of car failure?

I never understood what beating someone up proves-----especially when the attacker is 50% larger than the victim.  We should be talking about how intelligent Kyle was for not responding.  If Kyle were a boxer and he ran out of the ring, then you have a story.  He's a racecar driver------so why would physical confrontation matter?  (I know, I know----back in the day blah blah blah---didn't change a thing)

I have a question for everyone here.  But let me explain first.  There are some people here that think that Larson put Wallace in the wall, even Wallace thinks that.  In my opinion, since Larson never touched Wallace BEFORE Wallace ran into the wall, I don't think Larson put him in the wall.  Did Larson make it more difficult for Wallace?  Yes I would agree with that, but I stand by my opinion that if they didn't make contact BEFORE Wallace hit the wall, that's on Bubba to not drive into the wall.  But back to my question, I agree Larson made it difficult for Bubba to make the exit, but what is your guy's opinions on slide jobs?  Personally I've always hated them but they seem to be accepted this day and age.  I realize in a perfectly executed slide job that the car passing is going to have the other car cleared but they are also making it tough on the driver they are passing since they know they are going to have to either let off or run into the back of them.  What's your guy's thoughts?

If they were friends Bubs should have stuck up for Kyle on his one word capital sin. He didn't. 

Larson is a big, brave man when he is in the protection of his racecar.  He will "move" or wreck anyone.  However, he is quite the runner when confronted outside a racecare for his actions.  His running from Bubba Wallace was hysterical. 

one race suspension was appropriate.  i don't agree with the people who think any suspension went too far.  it's true gragson did something similar at road america without a suspension...or ty gibbs trying to wreck a guy on pit road with crews servicing cars.  there should have been a suspension though and and hopefully a better precendent for punishment has been set.  the rest of the season is getting carried away.  if he does anything like again...i would completely agree with that.

the key here is looking at things objectively.  i've defended bubba wallace especially since 2020 but also have a closet full of kyle larson shirts.  larson put him in a lift or wreck position he shouldn't have especially in stage 1.  he's made some strange mistakes this year and he'll get better from them...similar to what he said a few years ago off the track.  

bubba's reaction was completely inappropriate.  a lot of pepole stuck their necks out for him and he let us down.  sometimes you need to completely meltdown to realize some things you need to change.  he has to figure out how to enjoy what he's doing despite all the haters.  he never looks happy despite what i think has been a successful season for him.  if he can't get happy...he shouldn't have to feel like he has to carry the flag for racial justice in nascar and find something else to do.  he's already gotten farther than i ever thought somebody could.

one race suspension was appropriate.  i don't agree with the people who think any suspension went too far.  it's true gragson did something similar at road america without a suspension...or ty gibbs trying to wreck a guy on pit road with crews servicing cars.  there should have been a suspension though and and hopefully a better precendent for punishment has been set.  the rest of the season is getting carried away.  if he does anything like again...i would completely agree with that.

the key here is looking at things objectively.  i've defended bubba wallace especially since 2020 but also have a closet full of kyle larson shirts.  larson put him in a lift or wreck position he shouldn't have especially in stage 1.  he's made some strange mistakes this year and he'll get better from them...similar to what he said a few years ago off the track.  

bubba's reaction was completely inappropriate.  a lot of pepole stuck their necks out for him and he let us down.  sometimes you need to completely meltdown to realize some things you need to change.  he has to figure out how to enjoy what he's doing despite all the haters.  he never looks happy despite what i think has been a successful season for him.  if he can't get happy...he shouldn't have to feel like he has to carry the flag for racial justice in nascar and find something else to do.  he's already gotten farther than i ever thought somebody could.

Ok. A one race suspension is appropriate for what Bubba did , but how about a 4 race suspension to a crew cheif and crew guy for a runaway tire. Is that appropriate too? I don't think they match up???

It's not reality. It's NASCAR reality TV.

Ok. A one race suspension is appropriate for what Bubba did , but how about a 4 race suspension to a crew cheif and crew guy for a runaway tire. Is that appropriate too? I don't think they match up???

Agree with all of this and will add that having the pressure of having MJ as a boss can't be easy either. Anyone who watched the Last Dance knows what an intense competitor Jordan is so I'm sure Bubba is feeling that pressure. I'm sure MJ has some unrealistic expectations as well.