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Posted By: StaggerLee on January 31 2015 at 10:20:40 AM
I guess Kahne dosnt know talent when he see's it, he chose Darrah out of million other drivers to be on his team and has kept him on his team for several years even though, according you guys, he has no talent. Darrah has a ton of talent even if his results dont reflect it. Of course you all know better than Kasey Kahne. Id like to see how you guys would have handled being on a high profile team in your early 20's with everyone expecting great results. Pittman didnt do crap in his first go round with the WOO, it took a couple seasons in Pa and BOOM he's the outlaw champ. Im by no means a Darrah fan but give the kid a break, Ive seen him whoop the best in the biz when he was still a teenager. There is a reason Kasey still has him on the team and its nice to finally see proof that its not because his Dad is basically funding the team as has been said on this forum over and over. Darrah will be fine and I hope he makes you eat your words in the future.
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Pittman didn't do crap in his first go round, Really
2008 won Kings Royal, 4 woo feature wins.
2007 finished 4th in woo points
2006 won 7 woo features, won $20,0000 to win summer nationals, $50,0000 to win gold cup.
2005 won 5 woo features.
Theirs tons of sprint car drivers that wish that was their career !!!
Ted Sanderson
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February 01, 2015 at
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Darrah is in his early 20's running againt Pittman, Saldna, Donny, Kinser, younger Kinser, Swindell, Sweet, Dollansky and at times other giants in the sport. There is a thing in sports called development, learning the different tracks and how to live and handle yourself as a professional. Most of the guys that I mentioned came up at a time were there were huge advantages in the cars they ran. Those advantages are now gone thanks to parody, so a young guy has to come in and develop and this development has a cost that Kayne has shown he is willing and patient to do. Is Darrah the best on that team, no. Is he the second best, no Sweet is. Keep in mind Sweet has traveled and lived as a professional for many, many years going back to his USAC days.
If Kasey Kayne wants to develop Darrah so he can become a consistent winner in five or ten years, he has every right to. If Darrah doesn't pan out it is KKR racings money and no one else will pay that price. You can have every opinion on his talent level but at the end of the day, your opinion means absolutely nothing since you do not pay the bills. Could KKR put someone else in the car in get better results today - probably. I would think this is more about the future and not today otherwise he would be out of the car. Glad the people posting on this board do not own cars, they would be changing drivers every other week and in ten years there would be no one left to contend because they would have all been chased away (except the guys who will/have gone to Nascar - which doesn't help sprint car racing in the future anyway since they are gone).
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February 01, 2015 at
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Many of you are not grasping the concept.
No one is trying to make a point that Kasey can't employ who he wants as a driver. What Ford97 and others have tried to point out is that Kasey, in the face of reduced sponshorship funding, has exercised his right as the owner to retain who he believes are the best drivers for his team.
There may be other variables involved as well, but it's more than logical to believe this choice is at least partially based on performance. Of the three, it would be hard to argue Darrah is not on the bottom. If you were the owner and had to make this decision, I'm guessing most of you would make the same choice.
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February 01, 2015 at
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Victim of sponsorship? Pardon me it the sympathy meter does not budge. No money to build a race car in the first place so I will not cry for a kid whose family put him in top notch equipment to start his career. Blast away.
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February 02, 2015 at
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Yea, I thought "victim of sponsorship" sounded a bit weird too. Should be more like "Not fortunate enough to find sponsor".
I can't see why companies sponsor sprint cars to begin with, other than the owner loves the sport. I mean, I buy Middleswarth potato chips when I'm in Pennsyltucky, but how many bags of chips does it take to support a sprint car team? How many people buy Big Game Treestands?
Gotta be a labor of love, can't see how it could possibly pay off in $$$
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February 02, 2015 at
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February 02, 2015 at
03:18:47 AM by SLINK51
Why doesn't Joe Darrah ( J&K Auto salvage) himself help out and sponsor his own son till a better one come along? He's got him sponsorship before.
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February 02, 2015 at
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February 02, 2015 at
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Much more to the story then all know, seems to be some struggles in different areas I had the opportunity to sit down with an ex employee of the 49 car yesterday.
1. did you know that the entire 49 team quit at year end? David Fero whom has been an employee for years has gone to Gannassi with Kyle
2. moving team mates over from both the 9 and 4 to make a team
3. Sure point is the one who failed to pay and they scrambled to get Brad money.
4. Ollies is only a limited fund so Brad is still not fully funded
5. Darrah's dad does help but KKR budget is over $500000
6. The 9 team does get the priority in anything.
7. Darrah has been the last two years the research and development team testing any and all new equipment, because he was great with feed back and the partnership with Cappetta over the years helped build and design the motors they will use. probally doing more of this year close to home if the sponsorship is not gotten
There is alot going on with the Hendrick contract also as $475000 was taken away from contract that was used for sprint car funding because of the Tony deal.
Kasey has sold his plane and partnered with Kenny Hamlin to fly together.
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February 02, 2015 at
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Not the plane!
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February 02, 2015 at
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Didn't Wayne Harper say we're going to see Cody racing on Sundays. Maybe freeing him up from racing on Saturdays will allow him to race on Sundays.
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February 02, 2015 at
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Posted By: 91RI on February 01 2015 at 11:25:00 PM
Victim of sponsorship? Pardon me it the sympathy meter does not budge. No money to build a race car in the first place so I will not cry for a kid whose family put him in top notch equipment to start his career. Blast away.
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Probably the most logical point on this thread.
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February 02, 2015 at
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Sounds to me like the whole Martins chip sponsorship was a no money deal that was intended to be a jab at Lee Stauffer / Bob Stewart.
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February 02, 2015 at
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I truly doubt that Darrah and Mr Stewart have or had any issues they are involved in a lot of business transaction and I doubt Darrah would bite his nose off. As far as Martins they would have car displays all around York with boxes of Martins at the local Giants every year
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February 02, 2015 at
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Posted By: raybeard on February 02 2015 at 09:02:09 AM
Sounds to me like the whole Martins chip sponsorship was a no money deal that was intended to be a jab at Lee Stauffer / Bob Stewart.
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Not that it means anything with what you decide to put on a car and for whatever reason even if it is a pit crew member working there, but you are correct Ray, I have coffee with Mr. Potter every Sunday morning and it was basically a no money deal. Certainly not anywhere close to support a sprint car. Now for Cody he will fair just fine the talent is there and anyone that thinks you learn all these tracks in two or three years at a young age is crazy. This isn't race the same two tracks every week and fine tune your set up. WoO travel is tough and a learning curve. I am just sorry to see it happen now because I really think he is on the cusp of it all coming together. You are right this caught them at a late date and left them scrambling, but the year isn't over yet either..
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February 02, 2015 at
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Posted By: WEATHERMAN on February 02 2015 at 06:58:11 AM
Much more to the story then all know, seems to be some struggles in different areas I had the opportunity to sit down with an ex employee of the 49 car yesterday.
1. did you know that the entire 49 team quit at year end? David Fero whom has been an employee for years has gone to Gannassi with Kyle
2. moving team mates over from both the 9 and 4 to make a team
3. Sure point is the one who failed to pay and they scrambled to get Brad money.
4. Ollies is only a limited fund so Brad is still not fully funded
5. Darrah's dad does help but KKR budget is over $500000
6. The 9 team does get the priority in anything.
7. Darrah has been the last two years the research and development team testing any and all new equipment, because he was great with feed back and the partnership with Cappetta over the years helped build and design the motors they will use. probally doing more of this year close to home if the sponsorship is not gotten
There is alot going on with the Hendrick contract also as $475000 was taken away from contract that was used for sprint car funding because of the Tony deal.
Kasey has sold his plane and partnered with Kenny Hamlin to fly together.
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Well if Darrah has been researching and developing how to finish seventh in points.........he has that down.
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February 02, 2015 at
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It hasn't taken David Gravel years to figure out and learn the tracks. He has more wins in less than one full season than Cody has total. And he is doing it with a one car team, not a three car team with three times the feedback. Thats a weak excuse. Bottom line just like any other sport, its a performance based business and the results just weren't there. I always felt he was to young and the stage was to big at such a young age. Maybe it would have been the perfect time for the father / son talk about it's to much to soon son. Let's stay with our family deal a couple more years. If the talent is there as some say another owner or Kasey would have come calling again a few years later. I look at the central pa. Scene and see the same thing, promising 358 drivers getting rides in 410s with only a few 358 wins. They go up to 410s, flounder for a year or so get fired and get the " bust" tag hung around their next. All because their scared to say I'm not ready yet. If the talent is there build your resume, gain experience then get the right fit ( team ) for success at the next level. jmo..
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February 02, 2015 at
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Posted By: Nick14 on January 31 2015 at 10:53:06 AM
I think also what hurts Cody is he is racing for Kasey and a lot of people expect that he has the same results as the other drivers have had. When your a teammate of drivers like Joey Saldana a couple years who wins on a regular basis, Brad Sweet who wins the Kings Royal and runs well each night and then Daryn Pittman who wins a championship people probably look at those results and say why isn't Cody having the same results. Fact is he is still learning and i think the press release said it best if they did not want Cody there then he would not be there. Sounds like KKR is getting frustrated with all of the critics also.
I recall Donny Schatz not winning outlaw races immediately when he got into a 410. I think KKR sees his talent and realizes that he may take some time to develop it and it seems that he has met the expectations for them to keep him on board. I'm glad to see a team stick with someone rather than release him immediately. I hope Cody makes everyone eat there words to in the future
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You don't have to compare Darrah to his team mates to see if he measures up.
Also just how many years is someone suppossed to need before they catch on?
He was praised as ready to go and a threat to win right from the beginning. When you get to that level, with a team like that, it is not for on the job training.
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February 02, 2015 at
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Posted By: StaggerLee on January 31 2015 at 10:20:40 AM
I guess Kahne dosnt know talent when he see's it, he chose Darrah out of million other drivers to be on his team and has kept him on his team for several years even though, according you guys, he has no talent. Darrah has a ton of talent even if his results dont reflect it. Of course you all know better than Kasey Kahne. Id like to see how you guys would have handled being on a high profile team in your early 20's with everyone expecting great results. Pittman didnt do crap in his first go round with the WOO, it took a couple seasons in Pa and BOOM he's the outlaw champ. Im by no means a Darrah fan but give the kid a break, Ive seen him whoop the best in the biz when he was still a teenager. There is a reason Kasey still has him on the team and its nice to finally see proof that its not because his Dad is basically funding the team as has been said on this forum over and over. Darrah will be fine and I hope he makes you eat your words in the future.
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Pittman did just fine before he went to PA.
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February 15, 2015 at
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Just in case anybody wasn't following the WoO result in Florida.
2/13 qualifying / feature
sweet 7th / 5th
darrah 24th / 16th
2/14 qualifying / feature
sweet 6th / 5th
darrah 26th / 18th
2/15 qualifying / feature
sweet 12th / 1st
darrah 20th / 20th
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Posted By: raybeard on February 15 2015 at 09:15:23 PM
Just in case anybody wasn't following the WoO result in Florida.
2/13 qualifying / feature
sweet 7th / 5th
darrah 24th / 16th
2/14 qualifying / feature
sweet 6th / 5th
darrah 26th / 18th
2/15 qualifying / feature
sweet 12th / 1st
darrah 20th / 20th
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That pretty much sums it up. I have nothing against Cody. I'm completely neutral, I'm not a fan of his nor do I dislike him and while yes he is a pretty good driver, he isn't outlaw good. Maybe in a few years he will because he is still pretty young and he has shown some signs of potential, but he isn't right now and his results compared to those of his teamates tells the story. Its tough out there on the road with those guys so in no way is that a knock against him, its the the facts.
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