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Posted By: Mr. Highside on March 24 2013 at 11:11:19 AM
Something is going on here. an Ohio driver goes to central PA and wins and California has won 3 of 4 in their state vs the outlaws. Can the Posse hang with Cali and win 3 out of 4 vs the outlaws this season?
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Conspiracy ?? Anybody got Jesse Ventura's #.
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Posted By: raybeard on March 24 2013 at 05:14:01 AM
He's done something Kyle Larson can only dream about!
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so has john glenn.
i would think larson would be dreaming about what he is going to do with all that money he is on the verge of making and PA is the farthest thing from his mind.
at least larson doesn't have to dream about being a national driving star.
to indy and beyond!!
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Cole became the 200th different driver to win a sprint car race at Lincoln.
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I see Kahne will be running with the Posse slayers this weekend...
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Why do drivers choose to come to PA to run locally after they fall of the trail?? Why not run in Cali???? Wat was Cali gloating about before Mr Larson came to life?? Does Cali even run weekly 410 shows?? Twice a week?? Do they pay $3000+a show?? Pretty good car owners in PA also..congrats to Cole Duncan..btw have the Ohio all stars won at the grove yet?? Wats their overall record on PA?? O yeah were talking about this 1 time at band camp..stay out on the Weak Coast Cali n the Ohio All Duds(-Tim Shaffer) cya soon!!
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Posted By: VikesN410s on March 25 2013 at 10:42:37 AM
Why do drivers choose to come to PA to run locally after they fall of the trail?? Why not run in Cali???? Wat was Cali gloating about before Mr Larson came to life?? Does Cali even run weekly 410 shows?? Twice a week?? Do they pay $3000+a show?? Pretty good car owners in PA also..congrats to Cole Duncan..btw have the Ohio all stars won at the grove yet?? Wats their overall record on PA?? O yeah were talking about this 1 time at band camp..stay out on the Weak Coast Cali n the Ohio All Duds(-Tim Shaffer) cya soon!!
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Yes Chico runs 410's every Friday. The KWS has 3k & 5k to win shows with $1,000 to start (pays more to start than a woo show). We have always had quality 410 drivers and cars out west. It just works differently out here than anywhere else.
We have 5 weekly 360 tracks and two touring 360 series, The only track and toughest one to win is Friday night at Ocean Speedway (hometrack of the Kaedings and the rest of the SanJose clan). With two choices for Friday and 8 choices to run Saturday we never get to see all the guys running the same place. There are also a few nonwing tracks that run in Socal.
They also take the wings off and run the USAC CRA 410 and 360 touring series
All our top guys run both 410&360 winged and nonwing. I bet your guys don't take the wings off.
Northern California Sprintcars
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March 25, 2013 at
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Posted By: VikesN410s on March 25 2013 at 10:42:37 AM
Why do drivers choose to come to PA to run locally after they fall of the trail?? Why not run in Cali???? Wat was Cali gloating about before Mr Larson came to life?? Does Cali even run weekly 410 shows?? Twice a week?? Do they pay $3000+a show?? Pretty good car owners in PA also..congrats to Cole Duncan..btw have the Ohio all stars won at the grove yet?? Wats their overall record on PA?? O yeah were talking about this 1 time at band camp..stay out on the Weak Coast Cali n the Ohio All Duds(-Tim Shaffer) cya soon!!
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I would say Brent Kaeding was a pretty good wheel man in his younger days running wing or non wing 410 and 360's.. Nothing much wrong with his kids either.. The names Jimmy Sills, Chuck Gurney, Tim Green, Gary Patterson, Jason Myers to name a few also come to mind.. Don't forget Opperman was from NorCal got his start with Narc. Look at Usac quite a few running there and winning are from Cali.. There are more drivers originally from Calif. running with Nascar than any other state.. Now i am not one of those that gets on here and posts B.S. about the Pa. drivers or about the tracks there.. It is a known fact you have great sprint car racing, drivers and tracks. But there are other areas in this country that also had and has some every good drivers.. I would say more drivers go to PA. because there is more wing racing there compared to other parts of the country.. I have seen alot of drivers from Ca. that started out racing with the top that end up driving non wing and base there operation in the mid-west or other parts of the country..
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March 25, 2013 at
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Posted By: reartire on March 25 2013 at 07:50:24 PM
I would say Brent Kaeding was a pretty good wheel man in his younger days running wing or non wing 410 and 360's.. Nothing much wrong with his kids either.. The names Jimmy Sills, Chuck Gurney, Tim Green, Gary Patterson, Jason Myers to name a few also come to mind.. Don't forget Opperman was from NorCal got his start with Narc. Look at Usac quite a few running there and winning are from Cali.. There are more drivers originally from Calif. running with Nascar than any other state.. Now i am not one of those that gets on here and posts B.S. about the Pa. drivers or about the tracks there.. It is a known fact you have great sprint car racing, drivers and tracks. But there are other areas in this country that also had and has some every good drivers.. I would say more drivers go to PA. because there is more wing racing there compared to other parts of the country.. I have seen alot of drivers from Ca. that started out racing with the top that end up driving non wing and base there operation in the mid-west or other parts of the country..
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first outlaw main event winner.
you can't argue with the PA guys unless you are just doing it for kicks. they will twist and turn and squirm until they finally blurt out "THE GROVE" because that is all they have to claim.
yes it is true there is plenty of racing there so drivers can make a living.
california has an abundance of entertainment choices for it's 30 million residents that compete for their business so racing is not as popular a choice, so the racing is confined to fri-sat.
teams can race twice a week if they want and cali has 4-5 sprint car tracks running on a sat night at some times. and that is just northern and central cali.
it is true more successful drivers come out of cali and venture on.
to indy and beyond!!
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March 25, 2013 at
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Since the inception of the World of Outlaws in 1978 there have been more Outlaw caliber race teams and drivers in Central PA than the Outlaws themselves have ever had. Not to mention more races on the schedule. For decades the Outlaws were lucky to have 10 race teams. Posse...kicking Outlaw ass for 35 years and counting.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: cubicdollars on March 25 2013 at 10:02:44 PM
Since the inception of the World of Outlaws in 1978 there have been more Outlaw caliber race teams and drivers in Central PA than the Outlaws themselves have ever had. Not to mention more races on the schedule. For decades the Outlaws were lucky to have 10 race teams. Posse...kicking Outlaw ass for 35 years and counting.
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the outlaws were designed to have 10 traveling teams. that is what works for them.
you can't claim a team to be outlaw caliber until it runs the outlaw tour and holds its own against them.
a few PA teams have done so over the years but now the PA team are running out of local talent and have brought in outsiders.
the predominant outsiders have now either ended up in rehab/jail or are back out on the woo tour.
the woo still has a better win record in PA against the locals.
we expect you to be biased and that is fine, but you don't have to lie
to indy and beyond!!
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Posted By: cubicdollars on March 25 2013 at 10:02:44 PM
Since the inception of the World of Outlaws in 1978 there have been more Outlaw caliber race teams and drivers in Central PA than the Outlaws themselves have ever had. Not to mention more races on the schedule. For decades the Outlaws were lucky to have 10 race teams. Posse...kicking Outlaw ass for 35 years and counting.
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Cubic...The reason there are a limited number of outlaws running the WoO tour is simple finances. The cost of traveling coast to coast multiple times, not to mention north to south and back again is staggering. You can't run 12th on the Outlaw tour and make a living. The whole idea behind the Outlaws was to have a small group of traveling racers "invade" local turf and compete against the best of the locals. As far as PA Drivers getting out and running with the outlaws, aside from Bobby Allen back at the inception of the Outlaws, Cris Eash in the late 80's and early 90's, who else has had at least moderate success running with the outlaws full time. (And yes, I am omitting Greg Hodnett - From Tennessee, began racing in AR & MS...long time later imported to PA). PA is a great place for 410 local racing...3 full time tracks and good purses...great owners...and awesome fans LOYAL to their own. BUT, to say there are more outlaw caliber teams...kickin outlaw butt for 35 years???? Look in the archives...yes, your (PA) drivers have won a fair number, but the outlaws have won a pretty solid majority over the last 35 years when visiting your lovely state. Please don't distort the facts to overstate your flawed bias....just unbecoming.
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Cole Duncan ran a hell of a race and deserves congratulations. Montieth may have been faster, but he had 17 laps and couldn't get around him. Not many people can say that. A win for Ohio for sure.
That said, I feel like a PA driver or two has run ok in Ohio? Off the top of my head, Dewease and Stevie both have multiple wins in recent years, believe Stevie has won 2 of the last 4 Ohio Speedweeks? If Tennessee resident Paul McMahan is California through and through, then I believe that resolves the argument regarding Oklahoma resident Stevie Smith's origins. Stevie's run a hell of a lot more races in PA then Paul did in CA to boot.
As for the outsider Pittman coming here to beat up on the PA locals? Well, last year he didn't get his 2nd win in PA until OCTOBER, lol. 60-70 races in? I believe it took him 6 to get there with the WoO this year. Ended with 3 total. I won't even include Hodnett, the home grown drivers Brian Montieth (13 wins), Danny Dietrich (10 wins), Dewease (5 wins), Cory Haas (5 wins), Chad Layton (4 wins), Rick Lafferty (4 wins), and Brent Marks (3 wins)....all scored as many wins as Pittman, who was in his 4th consecutive season in PA. I think he knew the tracks by then.
Nothing but facts, See how easy it is to spin this story when you know them guys?
Again, congrats to Duncan and Ohio Sprint car fans in general, at 21 this guy has a bright future.
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I daresay Pittman has a little better equipment this year, wouldn't you agree? There is not much of an argument anymore, CA has far surpassed PA as far as homegrown talent grows, only a cheerleader would think different. Larson is Larson and TK has beat the Outlaws all over the country, not just his own backyard, no need to bring up Jason Myers either. CA produces the winners these days, reality speaks.....
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Posted By: Stan Donnit on March 24 2013 at 10:53:23 AM
"There is no better competition than in Central PA. To come beat these guys, I don't care if I started on the pole or not, that was allot of fun. I just respect all these guys so much. To win here is awesome."
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You're right, there is no better competition than in central PA BUT once the PA guys leave central PA they are no better than locals in other areas. That is the beauty of WOO, we want to see our local guys beat them but very few do and when they do, it a great victory. Most of the BEST spring car drivers in the world run with the WOO.
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Posted By: MSPN on March 26 2013 at 10:30:28 AM
I daresay Pittman has a little better equipment this year, wouldn't you agree? There is not much of an argument anymore, CA has far surpassed PA as far as homegrown talent grows, only a cheerleader would think different. Larson is Larson and TK has beat the Outlaws all over the country, not just his own backyard, no need to bring up Jason Myers either. CA produces the winners these days, reality speaks.....
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Just to make sure here, what your saying is that arguably the best funded ride in PA isn't as strong as the too world of outlaw rides? I'm reading that right? Because you sure said differently when the streak of consecutive pa wins was at 9 over the WoO....and yes the entire state of CA (the most populated state in the country) does turn out a few more too notch drivers than central pa. Of course that's all of CA, were talking about 4 counties or so in PA with about 25 million less people. Nothern CA claims Tyler walker from Los Angeles, how far away? yet Central PA doesn't claim Tim Shaffer, Ed Lynch, Danny Holtgraver...even though they are less than 200 miles from central pa, living in PA..
Double standards? Hypocrisy? Just maybe.
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Posted By: budz76 on March 26 2013 at 11:09:53 AM
You're right, there is no better competition than in central PA BUT once the PA guys leave central PA they are no better than locals in other areas. That is the beauty of WOO, we want to see our local guys beat them but very few do and when they do, it a great victory. Most of the BEST spring car drivers in the world run with the WOO.
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This is the most realistic statement made on the entire argument. Agree 100%.
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Posted By: LatshPA on March 26 2013 at 01:03:53 PM
Just to make sure here, what your saying is that arguably the best funded ride in PA isn't as strong as the too world of outlaw rides? I'm reading that right? Because you sure said differently when the streak of consecutive pa wins was at 9 over the WoO....and yes the entire state of CA (the most populated state in the country) does turn out a few more too notch drivers than central pa. Of course that's all of CA, were talking about 4 counties or so in PA with about 25 million less people. Nothern CA claims Tyler walker from Los Angeles, how far away? yet Central PA doesn't claim Tim Shaffer, Ed Lynch, Danny Holtgraver...even though they are less than 200 miles from central pa, living in PA..
Double standards? Hypocrisy? Just maybe.
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There has always been "0" winged sprint car racing in Southern Ca, except for 1 WoO race at Perris, and hadnt been any for the last few years. When racing in Ca, Tyler Walker had always raced in Nor Cal with NARC and Golden State, so I can see why Nor Cal fans recognized him as a Nor Cal driver, who just happened to be grow up in So Cal. If Central Pa fans chooses to exclude non Central Pa drivers who race locally in Central PA, id suggest that's a complex its fans need to get over.
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This Posse stuff seems to never end. They have many good drivers "homegrown!"
I think a good meausre is how you do when you "leave home" and compete with other drivers and at other tracks. It doesn't always work out too well.
Case in point...Greg Wilson. I believe he has won several ALL STAR championships. Look at his record since he came out "west" to compete.
Vegas 13th in B
Vegas 16th in B
Tucson 7th in B
Tulare 22nd in A (only feature he has made)
Tulare 10th in B
Stockton 13th in B
Chico 7th in C
I'm guessing he can go back "home" and be very competitive. I'm also guessing this is his first time at these tracks. Some guys adjust quicker than others. I would certainly not say he isn't a good driver because his record speaks for itself but there is also a lot to be said about "leaving home" and see how you do against drivers you've never competed against on a regular basis. Enough of the Posse bashing...unless ofcourse, they bring it on themselves!
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Posted By: budz76 on March 26 2013 at 11:09:53 AM
You're right, there is no better competition than in central PA BUT once the PA guys leave central PA they are no better than locals in other areas. That is the beauty of WOO, we want to see our local guys beat them but very few do and when they do, it a great victory. Most of the BEST spring car drivers in the world run with the WOO.
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Those were Cole Duncan's words not mine...They were taken from the homepage of the Fabulous Lincoln Speedway's web site... www.lincolnspeedway.com ...:)
Opinions may vary...
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Posted By: Dhowe11164 on March 26 2013 at 01:14:33 PM
There has always been "0" winged sprint car racing in Southern Ca, except for 1 WoO race at Perris, and hadnt been any for the last few years. When racing in Ca, Tyler Walker had always raced in Nor Cal with NARC and Golden State, so I can see why Nor Cal fans recognized him as a Nor Cal driver, who just happened to be grow up in So Cal. If Central Pa fans chooses to exclude non Central Pa drivers who race locally in Central PA, id suggest that's a complex its fans need to get over.
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There are 2 different ways to view this argument: WoO vs Posse, or CA homegrown vs. PA homegrown. Too many people on this board confuse that. Pretty much everyone. Cody darrah is an example of a PA homegrown that isn't Posse but is born and raised PA. Lucas Wolfe isn't Posse, but he is born and raised in PA. KWS vs. Posse should be the argument, and I think THAT would be the rivalry to see, competitive as hell. Those making a living on local racing in CA vs those making a living racing in PA. If people want to keep comparing it. Tim Kaeding, Jonathan allard, and obviously Larson are 3 guys that came to PA in recent years and didnt even get close to the A-main, much less the win. I know all 3 are unbelievable talents, drivers, local racing in PA is a tough gig to show up and win. Again, congrats to Cole Duncan for doing it 2 years in a row, his post race interview told you all you need to know about winning at the main PA tracks.
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