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Agree to disagree I guess. I see these actions as a complete and total lack of understanding and disregard for those that aren't associated with the Penn State name by school officials and Joe Paterno. Everything that has happened to these kids goes far beyond the football program. The fact that Paterno did basically nothing to stop this has/had no bearing on the direction of football program. All the death penalty would do is penalize a bunch of people that had nothing to do with actions that took place before they were even associated with the program. Since Spanier was involved as well, and he was the president of the school, should Penn State University no longer exist? Of course it should.

I think the actions, or inactions, of these men are deplorable and cannot be forgiven. But what would you, or the NCAA for that matter, hope to accomplish by giving PSU the death penalty? Since the AD was involved in the cover up as much or more than Paterno was, do you give all of Penn State sports the death penalty? My point is, this isn't a football scandal. It's a scandal about a retired football coach who preyed on children through a charity that he set up. It's about high ranking officials at a university covering up these events because they didn't want to tarnish the reputation of the university.

Will be interesting to see if they take the statue down.

I said back when them brave hearts (insert sarcasm) fired Paterno that they were just as guilty as he for they knew what had happened. I'm sorry to you bleeding heart people but he should not be locked up, He should be walked into a room & shot in the back of the head because I for 1 am tired of having to foot the bill for these low life bastards. Our great upper echelon is letting some out & what do they do, The same damn thing. Maybe if the upper echelon was held accountable like a bar owner for a drunk driver they would change thier tune.

 
 
 
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the death penalty in college sports means the school is no longer allowed to participate in a sport at all. smu was the one that sticks in my mind as getting the death penalty. they were forced to give up football completely after numerous (3 or 4) probations over a short period of time. i don't know if this is enough to do that at psu, as some one else said, this isn't standard recruiting violations. this is probably new ground as far as sanctions go.

The NCAA has no business in this matter...nor does the Big 10 Conference. No rules were broken that apply to those organizations.

All that's going to happen is that some lawyers are going to get very rich with lawsuits and people that had nothing to do with the crimes are going to suffer.

Paterno should have quit fifteen years ago. This is as much political as it is anything else. He got old, lost control over many things beyond this and should have rode off into retirement with his reputation intact. Power erodes with longevity.

Now it's going to be nothing but Political Correctness posturing. Big bad football program is too powerful and we're going to knock it down. How's that going to solve anything or bring justice?

The NCAA needs to keep it's nose out of this. They can't even manage what it has.

They should sanction the program for a minimum of 5 years. If these abused boys were your sons, grandsons or a close relative you would want all PSU athletic programs made into NCAA Division 3 (small college) status.

Where do you get the idea to sanction the program for five years? Show me the rule that pertains to NCAA actions. The NCAA has NO authority in this matter unless they can uncover violations that go against the written codes of the organization manual.

To sanction PSU with any kind of penalty would be a gross over reach of the NCAA powers. The NCAA doesn't have any authority other than that given by its member institutions. For the organization to act would set a terrible precedent for all kinds of "violations" in the future.

PSU will have to deal with our system of civil law, suffer the shame of public opinion and the economic and social aftermath of this scandal.

We should drop the emotional and political correctness BS and let this run its course. Many good people will suffer because of what happened, why make it even harder for them?

Ding Ding, We have a winner! I agree, The NCAA has no business in this matter. No rules were violated to gain a competitive edge on the playing field . What Sandusky did was a CRIME and it was dealt with as such. All those who allowed it to happen and then the cover-up have and are being dealt with by the judicial system. NCAA is a governing body for the sports on campuses. Child rape IS NOT A SPORT it`s a DISPICABLE CRIME!, and should be dealt with as such! Penn State didn`t gain any advantage on the football field from any of this! Thus, what business does the NCAA have to do with this!

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Member institutions (NAIA & NCAA) may 'penalize' THEMSELVES in a show of penitence for wrong doing. I don't see where I wrote nor suggested that the NCAA levy the sanction. Slow down and comprehend what is written before making assumptions.

I agree 100%. First of all the Freeh report is one mans opinion. It's not legally binding. The people interviewed were not subpoened or under oath. Star witness McQeary was not interviewed. Even the emails were not those of Paterno's, Spaniers, Schultz or Curleys but of 3rd party people. Those 3 who are still alive will have their day in court and be punished accordingly if found guilty. That is how the justice system works. According to Jay Paterno, Freeh leaped to a lot of conclusions without evidence in his report. It's easy to look back with hindsight and judge but we don't know how much if anything those guys knew about the accusations. I just find it hard to believe that anyone, let alone a man with Paterno's track record for integrity, would have covered for a pedophile if they actually had all the facts. We'll find out for sure when those 3 are tried.

I don't see what sanctions or the death penalty for the football program would accomplish besides appeasing the haters. Everyone who is associated with the scandal and proven guilty is gonna be punished. Taking down the football program would only punish people who had nothing to do with it. On the radio today, I heard a proposal that Penn State give every penny they make off the football program to childrens charities for the next 5 years. I think that would be a perfectly fitting punishment.

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I agree with MSPN's thoughts.

To go further - look what SMU got the "death penalty" for......how can Penn State NOT get it???

This wasn't pay for play from people with funny names.......a coach was raping little kids and scores of people knew about it and did absolutely nothing. There were previous investigations - and in their duration - the victim(s) were not once identified.

And we all know why - $$$$ $$$$ $$$$

If there was any integrity left in college football (of course there isn't) they should shut the whole damn school down. Kids were basically institutionally raped and it was ok because of the big bucks. I could give two shits less about who is there now and blah blah blah. It's like not prosecuting a crime just because the crime was stopped!!! This was all allowed in the name of big money - grab some moral bearing and kill the football program for AT LEAST five years. I mean you're dropping the death penalty on SMU for doing what they just found out Miami did on a hell of a lot bigger scale - miami should get lambasted too.

But what happened at Penn State - the fact that it is even a debate about what should be done is sickening. The worst part is that no one even gives a fuck about the kids even now. ESPN is doing most of the reporting on this - and a majority of their real coverage is about Paterno. Fuck Joe Paterno! There is no legacy there. Not to anyone with any decency. The guy knew and that is all that matters. He had a shit ton of reports all stating the same thing and you KNOW word of mouth gave him even more - and he didn't do a single thing about it!!! and we're debating how to remember this guy because his ticker kept up enough for him to coach for half a century. If this never happened - Paterno is right there at the top of greatest football coaches of all time. But c'mon - you cant excuse this.

Dozens of kids were raped by a monster of a man. Picture what any one of those scenes must have been like - what those children felt - and then look at the massive influence exerted to cover it up. How many could have been saved? Doesn't matter where those responsible are now. What matters is where all who were guilty were at the time and why they did it. They did it for Penn State football and the massive revenue stream. This was nothing short of a holocaust for the children that were repeatedly subjected to rape and emotional torture. All in the name of tradition and the revenue stream. It's like some Nazi shit - just because you put Hitler away - thats just one guy. The roles of many others allowed this guy to continuously do this. And sports magnate's want to debate about how far the punishment should go for an institution that basically assisted this man in one of the most gut wrenching crimes. And he was INSTITUTIONALLY assisted in raping those kids.

Everytime ESPN puts anything Paterno out there (good or bad) it's a distraction. Thats just it - the worst part of this hasn't really stopped. We dont even have a population base with enough moral integrity to do what needs to be done here because we see big business and are all eager whores to that. Fuck ESPN's graphs about the revenue Penn State generates. The school should be condemned!!! the whole thing!!

William Penn. The Quakers. What would they do? Think they would just stop at goin after Sandusky??? hell no!!! breath taken

I think they change the name of the school for starters. Penn State will always be synonymous with molesting little kids with the suits approval (to those with any decency). No football team for no less than 10 years. no other sports for at least 2.
But gut everything that is PSU. start something totally new. You punish the monster (Sandusky) - take all that knew and did nothing (using penn state's big money flow to bankroll the righteous witch hunt) - and throw them in jail for life in solitary confinement. But that they all did this "for the program" which is the same as for the revenue stream........this is where I say kill the entire school. hell they are all going to live back hom with their families anyway. Why not save all that tuition money - and in the largest group effort of all time - take all the dough the universirty has flowing through it and stop it all at once. Take that money, the tuition money and the state government and start making shit again. Steel or whatever sells - get the federal government to take back at least maufactoring sector back from China......maybe Obama could give The Chinese Chairman a handjob (yes the humiliation should go all the way up the ladder lol) - and make the conglomorated business the world leader in at least one certain manufactoring center. Then make equal splits in the hundreds of billions profit and split it up evenly through all the kids that got screwed. screwed because their schoool was run like a kiddy porn parlor and screwed because thdecisions were made by very influential people that allowed this guy to continue to rape kids.

I think it's the right thing to do. BUT - realistically - kill football for a decade. the other sports for two. what left in penn state coffers (or better yet the eager to donate alumni) -all of it go to the VICTIMS THAT NO ONE IS STILL TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!

death penalty.................................. AT LEAST

Kirk I know I went a hell of a lot farther than you. But I respect you for where you stand on it as a PSU grad. Only difference.....I think the entire school needs to be punished. This happened institutionally - the punishment should be institutionally.

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and no - the death penalty is what it HAS TO BE!!!!!!

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Brakeman...you said "they" should sanction the program for five years. Since the conversation was about what the NCAA what did you expect someone to think?

OKC...perhaps the most stupid rant I have ever read from you...and that takes into account some REALLY stupid rants over time.

Let me ask ya'll something. Do you think Saban or Meyer or Stoops, ect. would have done anything different? How many lawbreakers are currently on scholarship around the country? These people are responsible for a lot of people and hundreds of millions of dollars programs. Remember too, big bad football pays for all the non revenue sports at a university, including Title 9 sports. Are you going to deny those athletes an opportunity? Right, let's penalize the school. Who do you think supports the state school? Your taxes! Sure, every school has donors, not just for sports but for music, teacher education, business, ect. Why should those people suffer?

We are a country of laws. How we enforce those laws set precedents. The criminal and civil courts will and have adjudicate(d) where it should. The NCAA would be opening a pandora's box if it gets involved. Here's something else to consider...if the NCAA got involved on the 'lack of institutional control" grounds, every member school in the NCAA could be found guilty of something. And the NCAA has no power or authority beyond what its member institutions grant them. If the NCAA gets involved, it would just give the eighty or so biggest athletic programs all the more reason to break away and start its own group, leaving the NCAA in a powerless position.

Finally, all of you haters of the supposed power college football programs have...would this story have been so big if it happened in PSU's music department? No. It's this big because the PSU football program, in this case, is something people actually CARE about. There's alot of money involved because people want to watch college football and support it with their own money. You want to take the power away, look at yourselves first, take it off tv, quit giving out scholarships, quit charging admission of more than $5 at an event and stop watching ESPN, FOX, ABC, CBS and NBC sports programming. Go out and support your local small college or high school sports.

Like that's really ever going to happen...

Bottom line...take a closer look at yourselves and let the legal system do it's job without all the hate and emotion that people want to stir up.

Sandusky can't be punished enough, the other top people are going to get their's also, not sure about what to do with football but anyone who says close down the school is uninformed about what Penn State is. It is, I think eight or more campuses across the state. It is most of the agricultural research done in the state and one of the top nationwide. It is the Hershey Medical Center which is Penn State's school of medicine. (without which I would not have my right hand although it is somewhat impaired without their research for which I was a guinea pig it would have been amputated) Anyone who wants to close all that down for what a few people did needs to give that a little more rational thought. To people outside the state Penn State may only be football but believe it or not there is a lot more there than a dozen football games a year.