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I have never once trashed the HL series itself.  Only the fans that thought they would be so much happier with a new series that would ultimately kill the Outlaws.  Well---that's not gonna happen.  I have both DV and Flo, and happily watch both series knowing that in the end, they are both going to have to protect their brand, be profitable, and inevitably, piss off all of the fans that want everything for nothing.  Top notch safety crews--with no extra cost to the fans.  Top notch facilities--with no extra cost to the fans.  Top notch purses--with no extra cost to the fans.  Top notch streaming--with no extra cost to the fan--as a matter of fact, most are whining it's too much as it is.  Top notch announcing--even though it's a grass roots streaming service with limited following.  It's exhausting.  Just enjoying the shows at this point.  Both have put on great shows.  Outlaws have won the attendance battle, hands down.  Not sure who's winning the streaming battle, and I really don't care as long as they are profitable---very profitable---so I can continue to enjoy all of the sprint car racing my brain (and my wife) can handle. 

You've been whining about the Outlaws for years, High Limit gets some legit criticism and now it's a problem. 

Legit criticism....ya, ok buddy.

Here we go "can't say anything about muh Hi Limit" sure there's been legit criticism just like there was and is about the Woo. They are in their first full year of a National tour of course there's gonna be mistakes. To say that they've been perfect? Yeah ok buddy.

i didn't start this thread to rip HL... i personally enjoy seeing two series with this much talent... when they started there was a thread about hey high limit here is an idea that maybe you didn't see... that was my intent of this thread... they just need a real tow truck at any race....period

I agree about the tow truck. I was there and made same comment. Tricity speedway has never had an issue like this in the past. It is usually a top notch facility,but they may be having some issues since going to special only facility. The program was still over around 10pm local time even with the big modified delay. I don't blame HL for this. I don't blame HL for Riverside fencing either and racing. The outlaw fans get no pass for complaing about the fencing when they have 2 day show already scheduled in October there.  WoO would have raced under the same circumstances. They just got to see an issue before they did race. Love both series and has allowed me to attend even more races. I am not even going to complain about the higher costs to get in to both series races.

I stand corrected on the sprint car council. I knew Daryn was involved. As well he should be because he's about the sharpest, most reasonable guy for the job. Him or Donny either one would be perfect to lead such a thing. My point is though, Brad was always very vocal about everything. In fact he has quite a reputation of being a habitual complainer. There's no doubt the series will elevate the sport in some areas. They may also hurt the sport in some areas albeit unintentionally. Especially in Ohio & Pennsylvania like Donny said. The point I'm making is, they came out of the gate and talked a big game to the point where one could make an argument that it got to the point of being arrogant at times. So when they falter and fall below the standard that they themselves set through their media interactions, people will be there to point it out. They've set themselves up for such criticism in more ways than one. 

That's how I feel as well. The existence of the series itself doesn't bother me. I still think losing the All Stars is a detriment to the sport as a whole because it negatively affects the 2 biggest hot beds in the sport. At least it does for now. Maybe that void will eventually be filled and things will end up better off. Remains to be seen but I personally don't see it coming. I've been wrong before and I hope I'm wrong about that as well. There's a lot of people out there who are so blind with hatred for the WoO, that they refuse to see the good that the WoO has done for our sport since 1978 and continues to do today. On the same token, said fans will also kiss High Limit's ass no matter what they do right or wrong and have zero objectivity whatsoever. I've never quite seen anything like the Larson worship that some people have. It's flat out weird........

The forecast all day called for a 90% chance of showers. They went light with the water during the day with the thought that mother nature would add her own at some point and that never happened. 

I have never heard of or have seen Brad or Kyle or anyone associated with HL of having a reputation of being habitual complainers. In all of the interviews that anyone associated with HL have had, whether it is Brad or Kyle, they have taken a non-combative approach. If anything trying to shy away from controversy. They never once said that they hated the Outlaws or wanted to end the Outlaws or said that they were going to save the sport or take it to a new level. A group of fans did that. I never once heard/saw them talking a big game as much as it was them trying to promote their series which any good promoter would do. Saying they wanted to offer more purse money which they have, lighter schedule, they have, etc. Even last year when the whole mid-week shows and the outlaws would only allow 4-8 races or whatever they did not really attack the Outlaws in my view, they just tried to do business the way they could. They saw a money making potential and they decided to move forward. 

I really have not seen the arrogance factor that some people seem to be pushing here. My take on people seeing arrogance is the fact that it is Brad Sweet and Kyle Larson and they win too much. Period. If it were two other individuals 95% of the crying would not be happening right now but because it is them it is a different story. Had this been Brad Sweet back in 2018 before 5championships then it would be a different story. No one had a problem with the guy at that point and I cannot remember in all the races I attended or all of the threads anyone ever complaining about his character or driving. Fast forward to just a few years ago suddenly he's egotistical, a dirty driver, protected by the outlaws, shown favortism by multiple series, a complainer, etc. Even though he still has the same driving style he has always had and since my son is a huge Brad Sweet fan so we have gone to his pits several times in 8yrs and I can say he is still the same nice guy as he was back in 2016 before the titles and a Nationals win. So what changed because it wasn't him or his driving? Oh yeah thats right, you're not supposed to win a lot in racing. It automatically makes you arrogant, a complainer, dirty, a cheater, etc. I know this because I said the same things about Jeff Gordon when I was kid when now i can fully admit I just hated the fact that he won all the time. 

This is why so many of the "second tier" drivers are still so loveable to the general fanbase.  They win here and there----not all of the time.  Americans love underdogs and loathe success of their fellow man----especially financial success.  

You are correct, when Brad won the Nats it was to a thunderous ovation.  Now, he gets in a little deep in the corner on a close friend of his, and suddenly he's the dirtiest driver of all time.  But hey, we love Mcfadden because he has not won enough so we are not tired of him yet.  

Heres some food or thought Rod.  So if Steve Kinser back in the day, WINNING more than anyone, 500 times OR MORE and, he owned Hl, would it have been ok ?  We all know the answer I believe...

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Yea, we know the answer and it would be no. What I or any fans think does not matter. The race teams will be the ones who decide this and it will be decided within a few months. Everyone knew they woould not have 26 teams finish the season. I am going to guess just a few more than the Allstars. To answer Rod's questions it will be the teams if anyone. The big money races from August on will tell a lot. There are a few teams that I expected more from than they have done so far. That does say a lot about the depth of the HL roster.

There has been at least one offer to High Limits to help them coordinate the tow trucks and push trucks over the off-season.  They felt that they had it handled.

Just remember...any night you don't have to "hookit" 
has been a Good Night!

When I am able to abstain from responding directly to his posts, it must be like an addict feels when they go drug-free for weeks at a time.  But then, I can't help myself, and respond directly to one of his idiotic posts, and it's like I fell off the wagon and have to start all over.  Maybe we should set up a sponsor network so we can call someone before we get the urge?  Anyone else want in the network? 

I am in touch enough to that HL has racing the next couple of nights. Maybe that would fit this topic better. Every thread does not have to lead to Port Royal save that until next week. You might even consider starting thread on the subject rather than hijacking someone elses totally unrelated thread for your complaints.

Referencing PA to Midwest fans meets with blank stares.  I haven't been to PA since firefighting school at the Philly Navy base in 1970.  The only racing I saw was when someone would turn the lights on and the roaches would scramble.  

Stan Meissner

I am pretty sure that the IRA does NOT have 51 full timers on the point fund.  Maybe in the points standings, but not the end of year point fund.  You have to be a full time member and pay the full time member fee to participate.  I am pretty sure that guys that only race a couple times with them have not paid the dues.

Don't judge the rest of the state by Philly. We have been trying to give that place to New Jersy for years and they refuse to take it. Our politics would even be more normal if we could get rid of it.

Why not?  The whole world thinks Minnesota revolves around Minneapolis.  ;)

Stan Meissner