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well said, StaggerLee. Blazer00 has long been one of Hoseheads' worst when it coems to bashing racers and tracks he doesn't even attend. A track steps up its game with a $50,000 to win race and Blazer00 comes into the thread just to bash away.

Screw you both! I've probably followed the Tuscarora 50 and the East coast tracks and drivers as long or longer than either of you. I am entitled to an opinion and that's all I posted. I'm critical of the top heavy purses back here also. I wasn't bashing shit! You're too sensative! You think it's great to reward one driver in that manner that's your opinion. Tony raised the KR at the top and throughout the entire field substantially. In my opinion he did it right. Opinions are like assholes, I know.....looks like I pulled two more out of the woodwork.

One thing that gets lost in all of this is the fact that over the years the spread from the top of the field regarding purse and the back of the field is getting wider and wider. But the costs for all keep getting higher and higher.

Also.......show all on Hoseheads where I have out and out "bashed" a driver or a track. You can't, because I haven't! Are my opinions sometimes critical. I agree with that. But that is far from bashing.

Don't get mad at me because I'm not the only one who gets tired of your "opinions" on this forum. You are taking shots at a purse before you even know how it's being paid out, and you are surprised that my "opinion" is this guy should shut his big mouth and worry about the soap opera at kville and badlands. 

Still waiting for you to tell us how to build a field from the bottom up. I mean you obviously know so tell us.

Pretty simple actually in this case. Make the top spot $25,000.00 (more than double what it was).....keep 2nd at $12,000.00.....leaves $25,000.00 of the additional $50,000.00 to filter back in to the field from 3rd on back. Pretty easy to have a $1500.00 or even $2000.00 to start feature. Either way, the Tuscarora 50 will have a good car count. It always has. I had the same opinion regarding the Gold Cup at Badlands with the $50,000.00 to win and $700.00 or $800.00 to start. and laid out the same opinion of the purse structure. Car counts were bad, which sucked. Regardless what you may or may not have missed.....I have hoped for nothing but success at Badlands. Last year the Gold Cup was a three day event which I felt would not work. This year it's a two day event. It's hard to get fans to pay for three consecutive days of high priced tickets. Around here, anyway. last year the Jackson Nationals paid $25,000.00 to win and had a great car count. This year we'll have to wait and see. It's now a 3 day WoO show. I'm sure car counts will be okay, but again I question whether or not the ticket sales will be there for 3 consecutive days.  As for my putting out my opinions......I'm damn sure not afraid to face differing opinions. But....rather than to simply share an opinion you seem to more often than not add ridicule and throw barbs. Mad at you? Not in the least. 

It's a one time deal, and $50k is a lot catchier than $25k to the casual fan. 

I am one fan who really glad the new management of Port Royal has ascended to the position of being criticized for DOING REALLY GOOD SHIT!

I met half a dozen or more of the key players that dug Port Royal out of decades of stagnation and I have not met a bettter bunch of stand up people at ANY level of this sport.

These guys have gotten more accomplished with what limited resources than "XXX" track...and if youhave to ask who "XXX" is... you might want to open your eyes at the other area tracks.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Tell you the truth i'm looking more forward to the Lucas Oil late model race at Port Royal April 23.

I saw that in the article, and he also stated that he intends to continue to make it bigger and better each year going forward. I understand the appeal of advertising a big payday. But when it's an event that already draws well and building on it is the intention, it's sometimes better to not set expectations at a level that maybe won't be achieved on an annual basis. The three biggest events in our sport, the Knoxville Nationals, the Kings Royal and the Williams Grove Open didn't just all of a sudden get to where they are today. They were all built over a large number of years. And as other big events have come and gone, the model those three followed has led to continuious growth. The Tuscarora 50 already has one thing (among others) on it's side, and that's longevity.  

Well to be fair, the Williams Grove Open also pays 50G to win, 12G(I think- maybe less) for 2nd and a steep drop from there. I believe it's $900 or whatever the WOO normal start money is. That's all fine and dandy for a 1 off show but IMO Knoxville is the track that does it right with their weekly purses($500 to start) and the incredible purse paid throughout all 4 nights and even the B main for Nats. That's why they get 100+ cars. These tracks that try to extend a "big" show to 3 days but want to pay peanuts for everything except the finale winner are kidding themselves if they expect a lot of cars. However, I am glad that Port is stepping up and making the 50th Tuscarora a special race even if most of the money goes to the top. It's still more money(way more) and that's a good thing. The Tusky is my favorite show of the year and I'm happy to see Port making it bigger and better.

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A few years ago Grandview speedway did the same thing for their 50th anniversary for their big Freedom 76 modified race and paid $50,000 to win. They then went back to paying $25,000 to win after that. I believe the 50k race had the biggest crowd in the history of the track with all the hype. Going back to 25k to win has not seemed to diminish the significance of the race at all.

Blazer00...... explain why paying $500 to start for the Yellow Breeches 500 races at Williams Grove  didn't work out for regular shows but adding more onto the winners share for other races did.

I'll take a seat and wait for this one. :)

Did I state that a one off or special shows with added purse to win wouldn't draw? NO! As for the Yellow Breeches 500, Pennlive from April 7th probably has the explanation for why it didn't increase the car counts. Doesn't mean that WG needs to abandon the idea. Maybe just build on it, tweek it and give it time. Also committing to change might make a difference. It was what, a 5 event deal scattered through the season?

Nevermind.....you lost me with that answer.

Let me elaborate........the YB 500 deal was set up for only five shows during the season. Is that a fair gauge as to whether or not a program like that will make a difference? My thoughts are if you try something to increase car counts it needs to be a season long effort......giving race teams and drivers an incentive to unload every week at the same race track on the same night.

Awsome job Port Guys,  $50,000.00 to win the 50th annual. 

Now please, please do not have the same pay for multiple positions.  We want to see racing for every position, which makes the leaders lapping cars even more exciting. When positions in the back pay the same amount the cars start dropping out a lot sooner. When doing the purse please make every position pay a different amount.

Good Job Port 

"You will never know it was your "Day" until it's over"

WoO Race at Lernerville on 9/23 is confirmed. Probably 10k to win I'd guess.

I get your point, but on the Brian Brown stuff (or anyone traveling from afar, you just happened to mention him), as a car owner and driver himself he probably works the figures and the possiblity of where he'll finish into his "can I afford to go" equation.  While he may not make his decision to travel based on what 20th pays, he more than likely makes his decision based on where maybe 10th - 12th finishes.  And he may have interest in what 20th pays.  He figures to make it work I have to finish at least ____ position.  If that position is maybe too high (say Top 5) then he has a decision to make - how many times have I have raced there, does the track configuration suit my style, what's my best guess at car count, etc. etc. etc.  Again that's because he's a car owner and driver so the fiscal side is something he has to consider.  Balog came back for the Natty Open because he got further funding to help him from Wayne Corini but he also mentioned the ROY award from Beer Hill as incentive to travel.  Just food for thought.   

It sure seems like you are complaining about the added purse for this one off 50th anniversary Tuscarora 50?