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luvsracin11
September 07, 2008 at 06:15:44 PM
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Obama and McCain Tax Proposals
According to a new analysisby the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute andthe Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican JohnMcCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for mostAmerican families. Obama's plan gives the biggest cuts to those whomake the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the verywealthy


If you make between $66,355 - $111,654 you will get a tax break of $1,009 under McCain and a tax break of $1,290 under Obama.

If you make between $37,596 - $66,354 you will get a tax break of $319 under McCain and a tax break of $1,042 under Obama.

If you make between $18,982 - $37,595 you will get a tax break of $113 under McCain and a tax break of $892 under Obama.

If you make up to $18, 981 you will get a tax break of $19 under McCain and a tax break of $567 under Obama.

Nowif you make 3 million a year McCain gives you the biggest tax break ofall. 4.4%. ($66,000 only gets a 0.7 tax break under mccain.)

If you make 3 million a year Obama is going to raise your taxes to what they were in the 90's.



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This message was edited on September 07, 2008 at 06:21:32 PM by cubicdollars

Good job GOP...salute


 

 

 

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Why are the figures different of the 2 plans you posted. I should be so lucky but lets say I make $227,000 a year. Which one do I believe?


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Posted By: Raceway Video on September 07 2008 at 05:42:44 PM

How many people on this board are employed by someone making at least $112,000 a year?

How many people on this board do business with someone making at least $112,000 a year?

No....it wouldn't effect you one bit at all.

Thanks for putting up the poll by the way Hawker!



I work for a small company with 12 employees. The gross sales run between 10 to 15 mil a year. The owner is very vocal about being a Democrat.
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cubicdollars
September 07, 2008 at 07:02:31 PM
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This message was edited on September 07, 2008 at 07:40:45 PM by cubicdollars
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Posted By: Raceway Video on September 07 2008 at 06:35:12 PM

Why are the figures different of the 2 plans you posted. I should be so lucky but lets say I make $227,000 a year. Which one do I believe?



$227,000 seems to be the cut-off for paying less taxes in 2009 than you paid in 2008 under Bush. $227,000-$600,000 you would pay the same taxes you paid this year. Over $600,000 you will pay more. Who knows the ultra-rich might even end up paying 20% taxes to our 30%...lol. Instead of only paying 15%...lol. Obama plans on raising stock dividends taxes to 20%.

Click here, to calculate your Obama tax cut.


 

 

 

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Posted By: singlefile on September 07 2008 at 05:25:04 PM

Thanks for posting some concrete numbers, Cubic. How many people on this board are making at least $112,000 a year to benefit economically under McCain? Kind of makes it easy to see why a millionaire like Charles Barkley is saying, "Vote for the Republican."



ummm......lol

charles barkley a millionaire? well i guess these days it aint TOO hard to be a millionaire. but that dude could have prob 10x more money if he wouldnt piss it away on several things (booze and casinos)/. but that really is a "to each his own" type of situation. i just wander how much he spends on prostitutes........i mean for an old washed former great - we would think the poon would be all up on him - but there's a LOT of washed up celebrities that have to pay to play............guess we will never know until it can be a tax deduction lol and be included in public tax records.


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what the F*CK?!?!?!?!?!?!

there's like 4 different tax plans in here for each candidate? that or everyone is interpreting each one differently (not suprising).

i began 1 thread a month ago - folks say no more politic threads.

a slew of ultra-right wing threads begin - each with over a hundred replies and upper single digit thousands of views - and folks dont say that anymore - at least not much. or maybe it just gets drowned out by the rest. even jackhole lol. say no more political stuff - and then a month later is talking about revolution. closet liberal maybe? lol. i understand dude - even in bars are the evangelicals tough on libs in iowa. lol. i'm jokin entirely.......

it's not really the right lunar cycle for me to go off dozens of times on multiple posts. just not quite up to my patriotic duty right now. besides - I'm convinced the majority of you are Nazi's lol.


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singlefile
September 07, 2008 at 09:20:32 PM
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This message was edited on September 07, 2008 at 09:23:41 PM by singlefile
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Posted By: Raceway Video on September 07 2008 at 05:42:44 PM

How many people on this board are employed by someone making at least $112,000 a year?

How many people on this board do business with someone making at least $112,000 a year?

No....it wouldn't effect you one bit at all.

Thanks for putting up the poll by the way Hawker!



I would have a lot more faith in a talking point from Fred Thompson if the economy had not been run straight into the ground by a Republican administration. Even with all the positive and negatives about both candidates, most people vote on the state of the economy.

My last 401K statement showed a 13 percent loss for the year, and it is probably worse than that by now. Inflation for July was the second highest it's been since 1981. Unemployment for July was at a five-year high. The government is going to prop up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on Monday, at an estimated cost of $25 billion + to taxpayers. You think people aren't going to notice any of that when they vote in November?



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Posted By: singlefile on September 07 2008 at 09:20:32 PM

I would have a lot more faith in a talking point from Fred Thompson if the economy had not been run straight into the ground by a Republican administration. Even with all the positive and negatives about both candidates, most people vote on the state of the economy.

My last 401K statement showed a 13 percent loss for the year, and it is probably worse than that by now. Inflation for July was the second highest it's been since 1981. Unemployment for July was at a five-year high. The government is going to prop up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on Monday, at an estimated cost of $25 billion + to taxpayers. You think people aren't going to notice any of that when they vote in November?



I moved all of my investments into foriegn markets about 2 years ago. When looking at my options, every American fund is in the red. I am currently getting roughly 6% right now. Still not near as good as what I saw under the Clinton years, which was on average 10%, but it is better than a loss.




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Posted By: cubicdollars on September 07 2008 at 06:03:43 PM

It's not even as bad as it sounds, Obama really only goes after the ultra-rich that make above $600,000. Last year Warren Buffet said he paid 17.7% taxes on the $66 million he made while the average for tax rate for his employees was 32.9%. Buffet said most of his income was taxed at 15% because Bush cut stock dividends tax, plus payroll tax is only paid on the first $100,000. Bush should have been lynched for cutting dividends tax to 15% instead of helping out the middle class instead. Before WWII income tax on labor was illegal, now all of the sudden the middle class has to pay twice as much tax on their labor than the rich have to pay on investment income? And everyone wonders what happened to the middle class??? They've been too busy paying the upper one percent's fair share...lol.



Yeah, keeping screwing the rich, and then wonder why they keep sending jobs out of the country, and why the economy is in the tank. Keep buying crap you don't need with cheap borrowed money just to keep up with the Jones'. Keep buying into the BS that BOTH parties are serving up to keep the class warfare or one issue voters blinded into voting for one of the two major party idiots. Why is it that 100% of the votes in this poll are for either the Dem or the Rep?

 

You can cite the percentages all you want, but does anyone on here REALLY believe that Buffet's $11,682,000 in taxes isn't enough? Does anybody on here even pay 1/4 of 1% of that ($29,200)?



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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on September 07 2008 at 09:43:29 AM

hawker, if they did that you could wind up with a Dem president and a Rep VP or vice versa and that may cause problems with assasination attempts and increased impeachment attempts. Bush's anti-assasanation insurance policy is Cheney.

I'd like to see it go back to the popular vote. That way every vote actually does count.

 

 



I agree on the popular vote being the only votes counted, in this day and age we don't need the electoral college (sp). Thats my 2 cents.

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Yeah, keeping screwing the rich, and then wonder why they keep sending jobs out of the country, and why the economy is in the tank. Keep buying crap you don't need with cheap borrowed money just to keep up with the Jones'. Keep buying into the BS that BOTH parties are serving up to keep the class warfare or one issue voters blinded into voting for one of the two major party idiots. Why is it that 100% of the votes in this poll are for either the Dem or the Rep?

 

You can cite the percentages all you want, but does anyone on here REALLY believe that Buffet's $11,682,000 in taxes isn't enough? Does anybody on here even pay 1/4 of 1% of that ($29,200)?



Buffett does. Click here, for Warren Buffett's "Tax the Rich".

A rich person is going to feel having to pay 20% income tax instead of 15% a heck of a lot less than a poor person is going to feel 30%. Fair is fair. It's a consumer economy, it's better to have a fair playing field. I never heard the philosophy before the last eight years, that one of the entitlements to being rich has to be that you pay less tax than the other 95% of the country...lol.


 

 

 

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I agree on the popular vote being the only votes counted, in this day and age we don't need the electoral college (sp). Thats my 2 cents.

Sean



was set up so that 5 or so states couldn't choose the President.

This makes the cantadates work hard all over, not just in CA, NY, OH, PA, FLsmf TX.


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was set up so that 5 or so states couldn't choose the President.

This makes the cantadates work hard all over, not just in CA, NY, OH, PA, FLsmf TX.



yeah it has been real effective hasnt it.............

its even more specific these days - it has to have imperitave electoral votes - AND them have a shot in it. mccain ignored most the red states where it aint close - same with obama and the blue states.

i'd say the electoral college works about as well as the idea of campaign financing reform.

 


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yeah it has been real effective hasnt it.............

its even more specific these days - it has to have imperitave electoral votes - AND them have a shot in it. mccain ignored most the red states where it aint close - same with obama and the blue states.

i'd say the electoral college works about as well as the idea of campaign financing reform.

 



 


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This was emailed to me a while back....

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

  • The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
  • The fifth would pay $1.
  • The sixth would pay $3.
  • The seventh would pay $7.
  • The eighth would pay $12.
  • The ninth would pay $18.
  • The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.”Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

  • The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
  • The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
  • The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
  • The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
  • The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
  • The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20,”declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,” but he got $10!” “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got TEN times more than I!”

“That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back When I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!” The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine Sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the Bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between All of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

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Buffett does. Click here, for Warren Buffett's "Tax the Rich".

A rich person is going to feel having to pay 20% income tax instead of 15% a heck of a lot less than a poor person is going to feel 30%. Fair is fair. It's a consumer economy, it's better to have a fair playing field. I never heard the philosophy before the last eight years, that one of the entitlements to being rich has to be that you pay less tax than the other 95% of the country...lol.



Maybe I'm just dense, but I don't see how paying $11M is LESS than the other 95% of the country?

 

You want FAIR, then everybody pays $4000 (or whatever it needs to be), no matter how much or little they make. You pay the dollars, not the percentage and there are NO deductions for anything. That way EVERYBODY pays the exact same amount. now, that's FAIR!!



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Posted By: Midwest Race Fan on September 08 2008 at 11:24:37 AM

Maybe I'm just dense, but I don't see how paying $11M is LESS than the other 95% of the country?

 

You want FAIR, then everybody pays $4000 (or whatever it needs to be), no matter how much or little they make. You pay the dollars, not the percentage and there are NO deductions for anything. That way EVERYBODY pays the exact same amount. now, that's FAIR!!



The only fair tax, that even Buffett wants, is a consumption tax as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for that. Instead of paying 30% on my income plus another 6% sales tax, I'd only have to pay 23% on what I purchase. Bring it on. Until that day comes, the fact of the matter is, that all Bush's tax cuts for his rich cronies did last time around was add another $2.5 trillion to the deficit that the rest of us peons will end up having to pay off. Corporate tax is something altogether different, free market competition seems to take care of that anyway as states will bend over backwards to bring in new industry, which is one of the reasons why many overseas companies are now moving here. But if you think a CEO making $20 mil should only be paying 15% on his personal income compared to the rest of our 30%, you're nuts. We have a consumer driven economy, and it does no good to have the upper 5% hoarding half the tax revenue. Taxes also make small business owners invest more in the end, not less, because they have to find ways to come up with write-offs. If they have a good year they are forced to grow their business by investing in personnel and equipment, which makes for new jobs. Otherwise they would be penalized in taxes if they simple pocket the profits instead. It was proven during the Reagan years that any easy money companies made they just pocketed or invested overseas instead. Taxes force write-offs and if you're pocketing over $600,000 a year (Where the Obama increase starts) as a small business owner, maybe you're not investing enough back into your business in the first place? ...Why should you pay half the tax rate of the rest of us?


 

 

 

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It's those "write-off"s that change the effective rate paid!!! The "peons" don't have any "write-offs" or deductions, so they pay the full marginal rate for their income bracket, while those with deductions reduce their taxable income, so the effective rate they pay is lower than the marginal rate for their actual income level. But, they're still paying more actual money. Why does it bother you so much that the percentage of income paid is lower than yours, if they're paying MILLIONS in taxes?



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Also, you're saying that you want money to be re-invested into the economy instead of being hoarded, but wouldn't a consumption tax encourage just the opposite? Besides, it ain't never going to happen because the libs will say that it hits the "working poor" (those that are currently not paying taxes) the hardest, because they need to spend more of their income percentage-wise just to survive.





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