HoseHeads.com | HoseHeads Classifieds | Racer's Auction
Home | Register | Contact | Verify Email | FAQ |
Blogs | Photo Gallery | Press Release | Results | HoseheadsClassifieds.com


Welcome Guest. Already registered? Please Login

 

Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
Moderators: dirtonly  /  dmantx  /  hosehead


Records per page
 
Topic: WoO provisional system rewards mediocrity over performance Email this topic to a friend | Subscribe to this TopicReport this Topic to Moderator
Page 1 of 2   of  31 replies
gators0849
October 07, 2015 at 08:13:34 PM
Joined: 05/07/2013
Posts: 1991
Reply
This message was edited on October 07, 2015 at 08:14:31 PM by gators0849

World of Outlaws provisional system rewards mediocrity over performance




oswald
October 07, 2015 at 09:05:35 PM
Joined: 11/30/2004
Posts: 1982
Reply

Totally agree. Race your way into the A or watch it from the pits. Also no reason to give any B main transfers their time trial spot back. A driver that needs 2 chances to make the A for any reason should never start in front of a driver that earned a spot in the A in only 1 try.



racerman454
MyWebsite
October 07, 2015 at 09:26:49 PM
Joined: 04/14/2007
Posts: 402
Reply

When you run 80-90 Races a year Provisionals should be allowed. I think the entire season each team only receives 6, not many either way. They dont allow Provisionals in the Knoxville Nationals or the Kings Royal, the two biggest Sprint Car Races in the World. I do agree that B-Main transfers should never get their times back. They should always start at the tail. 




Maxi
MyWebsite
October 07, 2015 at 10:30:02 PM
Joined: 12/15/2004
Posts: 276
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: racerman454 on October 07 2015 at 09:26:49 PM

When you run 80-90 Races a year Provisionals should be allowed. I think the entire season each team only receives 6, not many either way. They dont allow Provisionals in the Knoxville Nationals or the Kings Royal, the two biggest Sprint Car Races in the World. I do agree that B-Main transfers should never get their times back. They should always start at the tail. 



The only reasons why they started provisionals is because of Ted Johnson and the T.V. Coverage they needed for the sponsors of the cars and car owners.  There are no Television for the series so therefore why do they keep giving provisionals.  I am not in favor of provisionals, if you cannot get in the show you don't deserve to be in..



Maxi
MyWebsite
October 07, 2015 at 10:37:44 PM
Joined: 12/15/2004
Posts: 276
Reply

If you you need to get into a race based on using a provisional get the money not the points, but they use the opposite. 



lasoskifan
October 07, 2015 at 10:39:39 PM
Joined: 06/16/2005
Posts: 329
Reply

Actually provisionals reward those that support the series on a consistent basis.  With the cost of race cars, fuel, etc., I have no problem with them.




SamHerring14
October 07, 2015 at 10:58:23 PM
Joined: 05/23/2014
Posts: 298
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: Maxi on October 07 2015 at 10:30:02 PM

The only reasons why they started provisionals is because of Ted Johnson and the T.V. Coverage they needed for the sponsors of the cars and car owners.  There are no Television for the series so therefore why do they keep giving provisionals.  I am not in favor of provisionals, if you cannot get in the show you don't deserve to be in..



Why shouldn't the cars that spend the money to support the series all year round get provisionals? It's a loyalty program. My only problem is they give locals provisionals 



oswald
October 08, 2015 at 12:53:50 AM
Joined: 11/30/2004
Posts: 1982
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: SamHerring14 on October 07 2015 at 10:58:23 PM

Why shouldn't the cars that spend the money to support the series all year round get provisionals? It's a loyalty program. My only problem is they give locals provisionals 



Then shouldn't all WoO regulars be in every A main by your logic? And shouldn't all locals get to run the A also for spending the money and supporting the local track all season that is hosting the WoO? Heck, let's get all PC and give all drivers a trophy at the end of the race too!

Provisionals  let teams use the B main as a test session cause they are in the A no matter where they finish while other guys have to race their ass off for a transfer spot or they don't get to run the A.

Actually I thought the tow money was what you got for loyalty and following the WoO all season.

 

 



gators0849
October 08, 2015 at 07:20:43 AM
Joined: 05/07/2013
Posts: 1991
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: oswald on October 08 2015 at 12:53:50 AM

Then shouldn't all WoO regulars be in every A main by your logic? And shouldn't all locals get to run the A also for spending the money and supporting the local track all season that is hosting the WoO? Heck, let's get all PC and give all drivers a trophy at the end of the race too!

Provisionals  let teams use the B main as a test session cause they are in the A no matter where they finish while other guys have to race their ass off for a transfer spot or they don't get to run the A.

Actually I thought the tow money was what you got for loyalty and following the WoO all season.

 

 



Plus passes into the pit area.




dsc1600
October 08, 2015 at 07:59:04 AM
Joined: 05/31/2007
Posts: 4373
Reply

It's not as though they have unlimited provisionals, nor are they only available to Outlaws.

When you give the drivers as crappy a track as they had on Sunday for time trials, it's good to have a backup. It's not like they get paid for those positions. The only money they make is if they get up to 16th place.



Nick14
October 08, 2015 at 08:57:42 AM
Joined: 06/04/2012
Posts: 1734
Reply

I have no problem with provisionals, I understand the use of them and drivers should have a certain amount of them throughout the year. Help support the drivers who support you throughout the year or else it will be harder to have people support your series.


I like the idea of having more cars in the feature though especially on tracks like Knoxville, Williams Grove, and Eldora. If Attica and Fremont can fit 28cars on the track win WoO come to town then maybe that should be the standard. Might help with car counts if you had 28cars guaranteed to make it instead of 24.



SamHerring14
October 08, 2015 at 09:12:59 AM
Joined: 05/23/2014
Posts: 298
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: oswald on October 08 2015 at 12:53:50 AM

Then shouldn't all WoO regulars be in every A main by your logic? And shouldn't all locals get to run the A also for spending the money and supporting the local track all season that is hosting the WoO? Heck, let's get all PC and give all drivers a trophy at the end of the race too!

Provisionals  let teams use the B main as a test session cause they are in the A no matter where they finish while other guys have to race their ass off for a transfer spot or they don't get to run the A.

Actually I thought the tow money was what you got for loyalty and following the WoO all season.

 

 



It's really the least they can do. Take last week for example, the teams sit out there for a whole week for one night, and then they dish up that track on Sunday for qualifying. Pit passes and Tow money wouldn't go very far trying to run an outlaw team boys 




Truth teller
October 08, 2015 at 10:27:25 AM
Joined: 04/14/2014
Posts: 230
Reply

Of course, provisionals reward mediocrity. Sunday night had an Outlaw from the D-main in the feature. Putting a car from the D-main into the feature isn't even rewarding mediocrity. The D-main of a 50-car isn't even up to the standards of being mediocre.

Want to be in the feature? Get faster.



FRC-PR
October 08, 2015 at 11:05:23 AM
Joined: 12/13/2004
Posts: 163
Reply

Doesn't ASCS also provide provisionals for their traveling teams?

 



MoOpenwheel
October 08, 2015 at 11:45:32 AM
Joined: 07/27/2005
Posts: 637
Reply

Yes ASCS provides provisionals.  They aren't rewards for mediocracy.  They're rewards for spending the effort to follow a series the entire year.  What major series doesn't provide them?    




oswald
October 08, 2015 at 12:59:41 PM
Joined: 11/30/2004
Posts: 1982
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: dsc1600 on October 08 2015 at 07:59:04 AM

It's not as though they have unlimited provisionals, nor are they only available to Outlaws.

When you give the drivers as crappy a track as they had on Sunday for time trials, it's good to have a backup. It's not like they get paid for those positions. The only money they make is if they get up to 16th place.



Didn't everyone race on the same track? So you didn't make the A, or B, or C because the track was crappy. Those that made the A ran on the same crappy track. That's racing. Just like NASCAR or Indy 500 qualifying, some do it when the sun is on the track, some when there is cloud cover. Tough shit, that's how it goes sometimes.

Some have to race hard & risk their equipment to make the A while others get a free pass to run the A. That's  BULLSHIT!



Truth teller
October 08, 2015 at 12:59:45 PM
Joined: 04/14/2014
Posts: 230
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: MoOpenwheel on October 08 2015 at 11:45:32 AM

Yes ASCS provides provisionals.  They aren't rewards for mediocracy.  They're rewards for spending the effort to follow a series the entire year.  What major series doesn't provide them?    



Just because all or nearly all series hand out provisionals doesn't mean they aren't a reward for mediocrity or teams that are in the way.



MoOpenwheel
October 08, 2015 at 01:22:28 PM
Joined: 07/27/2005
Posts: 637
Reply
Reply to:
Posted By: Truth teller on October 08 2015 at 12:59:45 PM

Just because all or nearly all series hand out provisionals doesn't mean they aren't a reward for mediocrity or teams that are in the way.



Do you think Kerry Madsen and Joey Saldana are mediocre and usually just in the way?  I guess you can call them whatever you want.  But a provisional is a reward for being loyal to the series.  Every series needs loyal cars to survive.  It's just one way to reward that.  If it wasn't in the best interests most series wouldn't do it.  If Williams Grove was so against it they could always take the Knoxville and Eldora route.  Make their own rules and allow WOO to take it or leave it.




tjmatthews12
October 08, 2015 at 01:58:11 PM
Joined: 08/08/2013
Posts: 23
Reply

Provisionals reward drivers for following a series and also helps protect drivers in the championship race. Good example Sunday where Madsen and Saldana are in a battle with Sweet for 3rd in points.  When you have a show of 50 cars, you can easily get behind the eight ball early from just the pill draw and find yourself in the D Main, so provisionals help those drivers out for not being penalized in the points on a show that has a large field.

I do think drivers that use provisionals should only be allowed to run for points, and I like that the local track is allowed to match the number of provisionals the Outlaws use, obviously max of 2. 



minthess
MyWebsite
October 08, 2015 at 03:14:44 PM
Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 2403
Reply

At least they're consistant.  Track prep, music, car performance, horsepower, rule book and provisional system all mediocre.


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?



Post Reply
You must be logged in to Post a Message.
Not a member register Here.
Already registered? Please Login





If you have a website and would like to set up a forum here at HoseHeadForums.com
please contact us by using the contact link at the top of the page.

© 2024 HoseHeadForums.com Privacy Policy