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World of Outlaws provisional system rewards mediocrity over performance

Totally agree. Race your way into the A or watch it from the pits. Also no reason to give any B main transfers their time trial spot back. A driver that needs 2 chances to make the A for any reason should never start in front of a driver that earned a spot in the A in only 1 try.

When you run 80-90 Races a year Provisionals should be allowed. I think the entire season each team only receives 6, not many either way. They dont allow Provisionals in the Knoxville Nationals or the Kings Royal, the two biggest Sprint Car Races in the World. I do agree that B-Main transfers should never get their times back. They should always start at the tail. 

The only reasons why they started provisionals is because of Ted Johnson and the T.V. Coverage they needed for the sponsors of the cars and car owners.  There are no Television for the series so therefore why do they keep giving provisionals.  I am not in favor of provisionals, if you cannot get in the show you don't deserve to be in..

If you you need to get into a race based on using a provisional get the money not the points, but they use the opposite. 

Actually provisionals reward those that support the series on a consistent basis.  With the cost of race cars, fuel, etc., I have no problem with them.

Why shouldn't the cars that spend the money to support the series all year round get provisionals? It's a loyalty program. My only problem is they give locals provisionals 

Then shouldn't all WoO regulars be in every A main by your logic? And shouldn't all locals get to run the A also for spending the money and supporting the local track all season that is hosting the WoO? Heck, let's get all PC and give all drivers a trophy at the end of the race too!

Provisionals  let teams use the B main as a test session cause they are in the A no matter where they finish while other guys have to race their ass off for a transfer spot or they don't get to run the A.

Actually I thought the tow money was what you got for loyalty and following the WoO all season.

Plus passes into the pit area.

It's not as though they have unlimited provisionals, nor are they only available to Outlaws.

When you give the drivers as crappy a track as they had on Sunday for time trials, it's good to have a backup. It's not like they get paid for those positions. The only money they make is if they get up to 16th place.

I have no problem with provisionals, I understand the use of them and drivers should have a certain amount of them throughout the year. Help support the drivers who support you throughout the year or else it will be harder to have people support your series.

I like the idea of having more cars in the feature though especially on tracks like Knoxville, Williams Grove, and Eldora. If Attica and Fremont can fit 28cars on the track win WoO come to town then maybe that should be the standard. Might help with car counts if you had 28cars guaranteed to make it instead of 24.

It's really the least they can do. Take last week for example, the teams sit out there for a whole week for one night, and then they dish up that track on Sunday for qualifying. Pit passes and Tow money wouldn't go very far trying to run an outlaw team boys 

Of course, provisionals reward mediocrity. Sunday night had an Outlaw from the D-main in the feature. Putting a car from the D-main into the feature isn't even rewarding mediocrity. The D-main of a 50-car isn't even up to the standards of being mediocre.

Want to be in the feature? Get faster.

Doesn't ASCS also provide provisionals for their traveling teams?

Yes ASCS provides provisionals.  They aren't rewards for mediocracy.  They're rewards for spending the effort to follow a series the entire year.  What major series doesn't provide them?    

Didn't everyone race on the same track? So you didn't make the A, or B, or C because the track was crappy. Those that made the A ran on the same crappy track. That's racing. Just like NASCAR or Indy 500 qualifying, some do it when the sun is on the track, some when there is cloud cover. Tough shit, that's how it goes sometimes.

Some have to race hard & risk their equipment to make the A while others get a free pass to run the A. That's  BULLSHIT!

Just because all or nearly all series hand out provisionals doesn't mean they aren't a reward for mediocrity or teams that are in the way.

Do you think Kerry Madsen and Joey Saldana are mediocre and usually just in the way?  I guess you can call them whatever you want.  But a provisional is a reward for being loyal to the series.  Every series needs loyal cars to survive.  It's just one way to reward that.  If it wasn't in the best interests most series wouldn't do it.  If Williams Grove was so against it they could always take the Knoxville and Eldora route.  Make their own rules and allow WOO to take it or leave it.

Provisionals reward drivers for following a series and also helps protect drivers in the championship race. Good example Sunday where Madsen and Saldana are in a battle with Sweet for 3rd in points.  When you have a show of 50 cars, you can easily get behind the eight ball early from just the pill draw and find yourself in the D Main, so provisionals help those drivers out for not being penalized in the points on a show that has a large field.

I do think drivers that use provisionals should only be allowed to run for points, and I like that the local track is allowed to match the number of provisionals the Outlaws use, obviously max of 2. 

At least they're consistant.  Track prep, music, car performance, horsepower, rule book and provisional system all mediocre.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?