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I am surprised no one has said much about the new ASCS head rule.  The new rule allows you basically to port all you want as long as you do no touch the ASCS letters in ports.  You can port all you want below the valve seat and into the corner.  You can also do the sides of ports next to the ASCS letters.  It sounds to me that people have for a long time been porting below valve seats so they will just let the cat out of the bag so everyone can do it.  They turned down requests for alum. blocks, but I would not be surprised if that will happen in the next 2 years.  In that case you just as well get a 410.

There was a picture of a sprint at The STN this year flipping with what looked like a aluminum block. I hate to say this but I told them they was not teching 360 engines 6 years ago.did I get hammered for saying it? YES I DID,am I laughing now? YES I AM...

Another rule that will cost money.Will make teching easier.The non altered ASCS head rule was a good one that leveled the field with everyone having same heads.The quest for an advantage will always be there in racing and it isnt cheap.The engine builders will do their best to get most usable H.P. and torque but thats why motors like everything cost more.About the only thing that stays the same is the purse.

What about this line in the rules:  "Absolutely no intake or exhaust port relocation, raising, enlargement, or reshaping of any type."?  Isn't that a direct contradiction to that?  I mean if you do any work in there isn't that reshaping and enlarging?  I'd have to ask how is it not? Maybe Kelly or any of the other builders on here can explain what that line means.  

What about this line in the rules:  "Absolutely no intake or exhaust port relocation, raising, enlargement, or reshaping of any type."?  Isn't that a direct contradiction to that?  I mean if you do any work in there isn't that reshaping and enlarging?  I'd have to ask how is it not? Maybe Kelly or any of the other builders on here can explain what that line means                      

My feelings exactly.

,Maybe I am not understanding but to me it makes every set of  legal heads at a disadvantage until porting is done

Just curious: Does anybody still port with a hand held grinder, or is it all CNC nowadays?

360's across the country are dying and ASCS missed the boat. We wouldnt have 305's if Emmett Hahn would have kept 360 racing where it should be. A spec head should be just that spec. Just like Racesaver. Pull it out of the box and bolt it on. The numbers I'm hearing right now is a new 360 will run you right in the 45000-55000 dollar range. That is for a Knoxville hitter at least. 

Currently you have to take the heads send them to Weldtech then from there they go to Jones. Time your done you have 8000 to 10000 dollars wrapped up in a set of spec heads.  Not to mention another 5000 plus in lifter work if you want the good shit. What is spec about that? I think we were all sold the biggest bottle of snake oil ever by the Oklahoma Snake Oil Salesman! The sad part is the number of 360 motors just sitting because guys cant keep up with the money. I know racing cost money but Spec is Spec. 

We could buy a lot better heads for way less money if we would just shit can the snake oil salesman and his head rules. At this point it is run what you brung anyway so why do we need ASCS rules?

 If I currently owned a 360 it would now be for sale and I would look harder at modified racing than any 360s. 

you may start seeing the well funded teams go 410 and the teams on a small budget go racesaver 305.  with the NSL coming to fruition with the payout and points fund and imca partnering with racesaver this may very well put an enormous dent in 360 racing in the midwest and maybe some other areas.  in a few years we may look back and say this was the beginning of either running a 305 or a 410.  rather unfortunate if you are someone who just had a motor freshened or  bought one to run ascs.  I really thought ascs was going to go the exact opposite way when i heard there were going to be rule changes. with racesaver blowing up and NSL offering the money that they are if figured ascs was going to figure out something to bring the engine cost back down.

They did the same thing to our PA 358 sprints and started killing them off immediately. You take away rules that save money and there are instant ramifications.

 
 
 
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Has this rule been formally announced? 

YES at the show in Indianapolis.  Oddly enough there was another idea and that was a restrictor intake gasket that reduced size of ports  in theory cancel out effects of porting.  The non legal porting of ASCS heads has been going on forever.  You can not check ports below valve seats unless you  take heads off and valves out.  Those that had non legal heads have stole money from those that did have legal heads for years.

The question is, who benefits from this rule?  Other than engine builders.

Eric Arnold
Social Media Manager & Track Historian
Knoxville Raceway

One more try... anyone?

Just curious: Does anybody still port with a hand held grinder, or is it all CNC nowadays?

It's funny how the people that know these answers are not responding.  No one from ASCS will because they might have to tech their national cars.  I don't have a say in anything but I don't see how a local or regional driver can support the national tour if they are not in equal equipment.

Why the ASBS of course.  You are not permitted to touch the ASCS lettering on the heads.  The lettering is there to prove that the ASCS received the kick-back for the sale of these heads from the manufacturer.

Anyone know the scoop on the alum. Block and when it goes into effect? 

Why does something so simple have to be so difficult.. ASCS seems to manage things with no intention of helping grow the sport.