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I know this has been a topic of discussion for a long time. Add or change what I have.

1. No more qualifying

2. Top 2 cars make the dash out of heat races.

3. B mains must consist of at least 8 cars

Yup, draw for heats. A car 3 seconds slower than the rest of the field draws front row. A couple more of the slower cars draw in the 2nd & 3rd rows with Donny & Kerry in the back row on a heavy, narrow track and needing to finish top 2 to make the dash.  Guess you want racing to get more expensive. Remember at some WoO shows there are about 16 410's and 6 or 8 360's. 

My thoughts on it....

1) Keep qualifying and pay good money for 1st thru 6th time. I believe WOO currently awards points for quick time...keep that.

Time trials set up heat race lineups.  I wouldn't get rid of time trials. That would drastically shorten the program and eliminate some of the drama from the program...in my opinion.

2) I would invert top 6 in heat races. Make them race for transfer spot. But i am unsure what would be best way to line up the rest of the feature? Qualifying times or heat race finish?  Combo of both, or use a point system based on timing, heat race results, passing points?

3) I like the idea of top two in each heat make it into the dash. That would work good!

4) One thing I feel very strongly about.....get rid of double file restarts! I can't tell you how many times a guy has raced hard to get to the front....then has a bad restart and the second place guy gets a gift and goes on to win the race....because of double file restarts....

5) B-main winner and transfers must start in the back of the A-main. They do not get their times back. 

Run what you brung instead of run exactly what everyone else in the universe runs.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Are you guys owners? 

There is a series that runs no more qualifying. It's called ascs and it's pathetic, your night is ruined by a pill draw 

There  is not a single ASCS head that is legal by rules in rule book.  It is a joke.  The only way to check a head is to pull the head from engine and take valves out of 1 cylinder.  That will never happen plus everyone would be not legal so no one would be left to race.  Why they every allowed any port work at all is a mystery.  Why not run heads just like they come from factory.  I guess that would be to easy.

Narrow up the top wing and put more driver in the car

And why do they need top  fuel dragster right rears

same with the left rear...... They are too big and support locking the cars down along with that huge wing

I've had this idea and stated a few times:

1.  No more time trials

2.  Pill draw for 1st set of heat races

3.  2nd set of heat races where your starting spot is inverted with the starting spot of your 1st heat race.  Lineups are also slightly changed so you face some different cars.  Is not that hard to make happen.  You start 3rd in the first heat race, you start 7th for the 2nd heat race.

4.  Points are given for your finishing spot in each heat race and for the number of cars passed total in each heat race. 

5.  Top 12 are inverted and run in the dash--points for finishing spot and cars passed.

6.  Points are added to your point total for the 2 heats and this sets your lineup for the A.

RACING ALL NIGHT!!!!!!

Many tracks have their work cut out for them trying to handle one set of heat races. Two sets of heats would hurt the track surface and program in my opinion, and the show would be too long for the casual race fan (which you need to keep racing going).

1.  Do away with the dash

2. Make it so top qualifers have to race their way into the dash, not just ride around fifth place all heat race.

3. b main cars do not get qualifying times back

1. Invert 6, take 5 to feature (if 4 heats), invert 8 take 6 to feature (if 3 heats) - if only 24 cars, only top 6 finishers in heats go to invert

2.  ELIMINATE THE DASH

3.  B-main cars line-up behind everyone that qualifies through a heat race

4.  random invert of 0,4,6,8, 10 or 12 for feature (guy starting last in the B-main pulls the pill prior to b-main).  If no B-main, guy starting last in the feauture pulls the pill.

5. keep time trials but go to 2-3 car sessions on short tracks and 4-5 car sessionson 1/2 miles to cut down time trial time

6. ENCOURAGE local teams to participate (do away with $100 DIRT license)

7.  Change tire rule to (1) tire per night for TT, heats and feature (instead of TT, heat and dash and you can put on new ones for feature) - should make it so tire choice becomes more important.  Do you give up some TT speed for a tire that will be better in the feature?  Do you bolt on a soft tire to have a great TT lap and move forward in the heat and hope it makes it 30-40 laps in the feature?

As long as the stands stay packed, I don't see many changes coming. 

If it's not broke, don't fix it!

I think eliminating time trials will take some wear off of the track.  Also, with this format and enough committed cars, the track could do away with a support class.  They could also have a set of rules to scrap the dash if time or car counts did not allow. 

With some creativity, there are all kinds of ways for them to add value to the show and keep it reasonable in length.  I think the prep and running of time trials is a drawn out, boring event.  If you have a 30 car show, I think 3 heat races could take place just about as quick as time trials.  Then throw 3 more heat races on top of the 3 you were going to see anyways.

?  You have valid points--no doubt.  But I think they could be creative and make one hell of a show. 

Just one simple rule change could save a ton of money and attract more locals to enter. 

The engine used in qualifying must be the same engine used for the remainder of the program.

I agree 99%.  If someone needs to change a motor after heat races, they tag the field for the B-main.  If they need to change a motor after the B-main has been run, they have to tag the A-main if they already qualified for the A.  

They should also dabble with a tire changing rule of some sort also.  JMO

I totally agree with 1 engine rule as well you change motor you start tail end of every race you are in.

I second these ideas that have already been mentioned. 

1) Iegras's "racing all night" proposal, though understand anything complicated is unlikely to be implemented. At least do group qualifying, 4-5 cars on track. For all the complaints about inversion "ruining your night", the same thing happens with single car qualifying b/c of changes to the track. More importantly... it's really boring. 

2) B-transfers to back of A. 

3) Motor change puts to back of pack. 

First rule should be: No monitoring of message boards for ideas from keyboard warriors. 

I saw this myself as they pited next to us.  With 50 cars they time trialed 3 rd.  The pit crew had wrenches in hands before car came to a stop to change engines.  They changed  the engine and won the feature.  Makes one wonder?